[Discussion] I feel the need to address this

[Zorø]

Kizaru High diffs Fuji IMO U_U.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Kizaru High diffs Fuji IMO U_U.

In terms of strength, possibly, but Kizaru could never beat Fujitora due to the matchup of Devil Fruits

 

[Punk Hazard]

Go back and re read.
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I simply said Borsalino's fruit doesn't do shit to Fujitora. This is due to Lights total dependence on Gravity.


No, no....

People (You included) said that there isn't real world logic in One Piece and questioned that view. Because you know logic is used. Prime examples are how Luffy beat Enel and Crocodile.


Can't and didn't. If I remember correctly Ice (Kuzan) lost, correct?


Enel bro. Enel. And if there's a civilization on Vearth then there's clearly an environment and atmosphere that is inhabitable. So this point is non factor.


That's what the species is. Den Den Mushi are a species.


When you're as superhuman as Whitebeard I'm pretty sure they could. In fact people survive stuff like that in real life anyways...


Luffy's healing is superhuman. One bit of meat and he's pretty much on top of the world again.


If we humans could apply a force strong enough, a sword could do that. Kinetic theory supports this.


Pretty sure he got frostbite... (You're talking about Drum Kingdom, right?) he just healed quickly (like I said before he's superhuman).

He wore a coat in the Punk Hazard Arc. This proves he's susceptible to the cold.


Got me here... good point


Well Oda pays extreme attention to detail with Logia's. Makes their capabilities incredibly accurate. e.g. (probably best for this thread)
Under the influence of 1 (or less) G's Light can travel almost perfectly straight. This is why Kizaru has to charge up, bounce off of objects etc. when moving at the "speed of light"

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You can even see the path he follows.

Although the Manga is obviously surreal, when it comes to devil fruits Oda is very accurate

1. That's not what we're saying. We aren't saying there is no logic in One Piece, but that One Piece, like most manga, has defied what we accept as logic time and time again. Therefore, guessing what can happen based on real-life logic and physics is fallable, as the OP world often defies logic and physics.

2. Actually it did. It was stated that BOTH Sakazuki and Kuzan received grievous injuries. Seeing as how both of them changed half of the landscape of Punk Hazard permanently each with their DFs, it means they used their DFs an equal amount. This shows that, despite the fact that ice would be inferior to magma in real life, Kuzan's Ice powers were able to stand against Sakuzuki's Magma powers. This alone is enough to show that not every DF will follow a real-life logic, and makes it possible that Kizaru's light powers won't be affected by Issho's like you're saying.

3. Vearth is the moon. Even if that particular moon has an atmosphere, Enel would have still had to cross through space when he left Earth and before he entered that atmosphere. Enel survived in the vacuum of space, something no person can do in real life. Another example of OP defying logic.

4. If Luffy can supposedly heal from a hole in his thumb that quickly, instantly enough so that the air he blows into his body doesn't escape, how come the holes pierced into his body by Lucci didn't instantly heal as well?

5. Superhuman or not, having your brain destroyed erases function and life, no matter what. Yet, WB survived. Another moment of OP defying logic.

6. Even if humans could somehow launch air with a sword, would the air ACTUALLY take on the cutting characteristics of the sword? I think not.

7. Yeah Luffy wore a coat on Punk Hazard, but not when Monet interrupted his fight with Caesar and flooded the room with snow. He was surrounded by snow for a long time, even being covered in it and being grasped by Monet's ice cold body, and there was no sign of frostbite. Another moment of OP defying logic.

8. Den Den Mushi are normal snails with the ability to telepathically communicate. People then take these snails and attach devices to them to use them as communication devices. Please explain to me how this can logically happen in real life again?

 

[Zorø]

In terms of strength, possibly, but Kizaru could never beat Fujitora due to the matchup of Devil Fruits

You dont know that yet..U_U you havent seen Kizaru go all out plus Fuji is a newbie to the Admiral business U_U.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

You dont know that yet..U_U you havent seen Kizaru go all out plus Fuji is a newbie to the Admiral business U_U.

Being new to his job doesn't change anything if we're talking about battle!!!

1. That's not what we're saying. We aren't saying there is no logic in One Piece, but that One Piece, like most manga, has defied what we accept as logic time and time again. Therefore, guessing what can happen based on real-life logic and physics is fallable, as the OP world often defies logic and physics.

Yes, true. But Oda does use science a lot in One Piece. When Devil Fruits clash he uses facts to identify the outcome. E.g.
Rubber vs Lightning - Rubber unaffected because it can insulate electrical charges
Magma vs Fire (Orange, burning Air - which is relatively cold fire) - Magma wins
Fire vs Ice - Although Ace was weaker he could melt the Ice
Poison vs Hormones - Hormones can actually help grant immunity to small doses of toxic substances

2. Actually it did. It was stated that BOTH Sakazuki and Kuzan received grievous injuries. Seeing as how both of them changed half of the landscape of Punk Hazard permanently each with their DFs, it means they used their DFs an equal amount. This shows that, despite the fact that ice would be inferior to magma in real life, Kuzan's Ice powers were able to stand against Sakuzuki's Magma powers. This alone is enough to show that not every DF will follow a real-life logic, and makes it possible that Kizaru's light powers won't be affected by Issho's like you're saying.

And this is where Haki comes in. Kuzans Ice + Haki was standing up to Magma + Haki. But in the end all Kuzan was doing was delaying his defeat. To beat Sakazuki he would need WSM level Haki.

3. Vearth is the moon. Even if that particular moon has an atmosphere, Enel would have still had to cross through space when he left Earth and before he entered that atmosphere. Enel survived in the vacuum of space, something no person can do in real life. Another example of OP defying logic.

A MOON. Can't Logia's become their elements (and thus by doing so not require essentials to life). The planet isn't Earth either. It has 6 moons, and a moon orbiting a moon. Although yes it's probably defying logic. This hasn't got anything to do with Oda's application of science when it comes to Devil Fruits. ESPECIALLY Logias.

If Enel IS electricity he isn't going to need air, as electrons don't need air.

4. If Luffy can supposedly heal from a hole in his thumb that quickly, instantly enough so that the air he blows into his body doesn't escape, how come the holes pierced into his body by Lucci didn't instantly heal as well?

Larger holes

5. Superhuman or not, having your brain destroyed erases function and life, no matter what. Yet, WB survived. Another moment of OP defying logic.

His face was blown off. Not his brain. Do I have to show you some gruesome pictures of the exact same thing in real life? I don't want to. Because it's gross, but what happened to WB wasn't surreal. The surreal part was surviving after all the other bodily harm he received.

6. Even if humans could somehow launch air with a sword, would the air ACTUALLY take on the cutting characteristics of the sword? I think not.

Probably not. But hey, it's still pretty cool

7. Yeah Luffy wore a coat on Punk Hazard, but not when Monet interrupted his fight with Caesar and flooded the room with snow. He was surrounded by snow for a long time, even being covered in it and being grasped by Monet's ice cold body, and there was no sign of frostbite. Another moment of OP defying logic.

Luffy said he was cold when Monet intervened. I suppose Rubber can't get frostbite

8. Den Den Mushi are normal snails with the ability to telepathically communicate. People then take these snails and attach devices to them to use them as communication devices. Please explain to me how this can logically happen in real life again?

There you go.

We add chips and things to living animals to track them or to deliver messages to somebody else who comes across said animal

 

[LIGHTNING BOLT]

**** people am a scientist an engineer a man of science and what we have seen from science we dont really know it and its unpredictable sam with the devil fruits who told u guys the one with the most badass/overrated devil fruit is the STRONGEST **** look at luffy he has one of the most idiotic devil fruit(couldnt find a word to define luffys devil fruit) but **** he is MONSTEr and people we have somthing new called haki if u havnt noticed over the years

 

[Punk Hazard]

Being new to his job doesn't change anything if we're talking about battle!!!


Yes, true. But Oda does use science a lot in One Piece. When Devil Fruits clash he uses facts to identify the outcome. E.g.
Rubber vs Lightning - Rubber unaffected because it can insulate electrical charges
Magma vs Fire (Orange, burning Air - which is relatively cold fire) - Magma wins
Fire vs Ice - Although Ace was weaker he could melt the Ice
Poison vs Hormones - Hormones can actually help grant immunity to small doses of toxic substances



And this is where Haki comes in. Kuzans Ice + Haki was standing up to Magma + Haki. But in the end all Kuzan was doing was delaying his defeat. To beat Sakazuki he would need WSM level Haki.


A MOON. Can't Logia's become their elements (and thus by doing so not require essentials to life). The planet isn't Earth either. It has 6 moons, and a moon orbiting a moon. Although yes it's probably defying logic. This hasn't got anything to do with Oda's application of science when it comes to Devil Fruits. ESPECIALLY Logias.

If Enel IS electricity he isn't going to need air, as electrons don't need air.


Larger holes


His face was blown off. Not his brain. Do I have to show you some gruesome pictures of the exact same thing in real life? I don't want to. Because it's gross, but what happened to WB wasn't surreal. The surreal part was surviving after all the other bodily harm he received.


Probably not. But hey, it's still pretty cool


Luffy said he was cold when Monet intervened. I suppose Rubber can't get frostbite


There you go.

We add chips and things to living animals to track them or to deliver messages to somebody else who comes across said animal

1. He also defies science a lot, so it's a horrible factor for guessing.

2. Then Haki+Light should be able to defy Gravity+Haki as much as it worked for Kuzan, so you just shit all over yourself.

3. Fire, Lightning, Darkness, Smoke don't need to eat or sleep, yet the Logias who possess these do. That shows that Logias still carry out the functions of a normal human body. Enel was shown standing on the moon without being transformed, so clearly, he defies logic and his normal human body is capable of withstanding the vacuum of space.

4. You sound pretty dumb with this one. People in OP aren't Wolverine or Deadpool, they aren't instantly regenerating from shit, and their healing is not that fast as you make it out to be. There hasn't been one scene in the manga that supports their healing is as colossal as you claim.

5. Then let's use that. How did he survive all of that? Defying logic. And let's touch on his Devil Fruit. Since when does creating vibrations mean you can grab air? Vibrations isn't connected with the ability to grab air, so WB doing it shows OP can follow its own fictional logic.

6. Conceded to my point.

7.

Pretty sure he got frostbite... (You're talking about Drum Kingdom, right?) he just healed quickly (like I said before he's superhuman).

8. What animal in real life has the ability to communicate telepathically? Also that's a different scenario altogether. What you are talking about is attaching a piece of technology that has a message on it, then sending the animal to someone, and they look at the message on the tech. What Den Den Mushi are are a fictional species that defy logic by communicating telepathically, and people attaching devices to them to tap into this telepathy and to use as phones. Den Den Mushi defy real life logic.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

**** people am a scientist an engineer a man of science and what we have seen from science we dont really know it and its unpredictable sam with the devil fruits who told u guys the one with the most badass/overrated devil fruit is the STRONGEST **** look at luffy he has one of the most idiotic devil fruit(couldnt find a word to define luffys devil fruit) but **** he is MONSTEr and people we have somthing new called haki if u havnt noticed over the years

I highly doubt you're an engineer

- You can't spell
- You didn't have the patience or intelligence to read the thread, hence your idiotic response which we all knew before you even posted it

If I remember correctly being an Engineer requires pretty top notch qualifications which you clearly don't have. So don't bullshit next time you intrude on what was a decent discussion thread.

1. He also defies science a lot, so it's a horrible factor for guessing.

With Devil Fruits Oda's accurate. That's what I'm saying.

2. Then Haki+Light should be able to defy Gravity+Haki as much as it worked for Kuzan, so you just shit all over yourself.

I said for Kuzan to beat Sakazuki he would need Roger Haki, or something on that level.

We don't know how strong Isshou's Haki is. Considering he is an Admiral it's pretty damn OP, top notch, whatever you will call it. But for Borsalino to overturn the immense disadvantage he has due to the very nature of their devil fruits he would need something similar to Roger's too.

So no I didn't shit all over myself. You're just too enthusiastic to respond without thinking things through

3. Fire, Lightning, Darkness, Smoke don't need to eat or sleep, yet the Logias who possess these do. That shows that Logias still carry out the functions of a normal human body. Enel was shown standing on the moon without being transformed, so clearly, he defies logic and his normal human body is capable of withstanding the vacuum of space.

I was referring to them being in their elemental state. Where they're no longer human. I addressed this before. Vearth is clearly inhabitable. So it doesn't matter what we saw him do ON the moon. Because we know people can live there. I was referring to his journey, he could've become lightning to power the Arc the whole way there. Avoiding taking human form. We just don't know, so this is entirely inconclusive.

4. You sound pretty dumb with this one. People in OP aren't Wolverine or Deadpool, they aren't instantly regenerating from shit, and their healing is not that fast as you make it out to be. There hasn't been one scene in the manga that supports their healing is as colossal as you claim.

Luffy having the shit beaten out of him by Mr 5 (a shit load of explosions from point blank range. Charring his skin etc. Leaving him immobile. Next chapter he's running towards that weird candle thing Mr 3 made).

5. Then let's use that. How did he survive all of that? Defying logic. And let's touch on his Devil Fruit. Since when does creating vibrations mean you can grab air? Vibrations isn't connected with the ability to grab air, so WB doing it shows OP can follow its own fictional logic.

It's not defying logic if he's the worlds strongest man (in a universe where the Mani Pacquiao can be one shotted by Alvida).

The visual representation of Whitebeards Devil Fruit powers do defy logic. But what he can do with his fruit doesn't.

6. Conceded to my point.

Nope! Because your point only succeeds where the air that is slung becomes sharp. Long distance sword slashes are possible in the real world (should we be strong enough), they would feel like a breeze because they'd be unable to cut... So technically we're even.

7.

Your quotation of me proved my point!

8. What animal in real life has the ability to communicate telepathically? Also that's a different scenario altogether. What you are talking about is attaching a piece of technology that has a message on it, then sending the animal to someone, and they look at the message on the tech. What Den Den Mushi are are a fictional species that defy logic by communicating telepathically, and people attaching devices to them to tap into this telepathy and to use as phones. Den Den Mushi defy real life logic.

Dude it's called surrealism. I've said before that the series is surreal (of course) but logic still applies. Scientific fact still applies. Especially in the topic of Devil Fruits, their powers, how they're used and what they can do.

We have no way of proving if any species can or can't speak telepathically because we can't actually understand them. However there are things that are very close to telepathy (communication we cannot detect with our own senses).