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So, any of you who are familiar with me will know I enjoy a good debate & challenge. So I'm making this thread so people can just have little debates here n there about whatever.
Just throw on a topic and the debate can start. Naruto relevent of course.

You may need to look to the later stages of the post to see new debates.

Topic 2: How good is Naruto without the Kyuubi?(req by TrollingSage)

1: I have already nailed this argument along with Caliburn,so I might just take a bit of a backseat.
 
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I think that he can go into sage mode on the move
 

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He most likely stood somewhere and gathered his chakra and then went to sage mode found kakashi and sakura

Then started running
 

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He most likely stood somewhere and gathered his chakra and then went to sage mode found kakashi and sakura

Then started running

You think Naruto would have taken the time to stand about when Kakashi & Sakura & Sasuke could have been killing each other?
I'm not saying it isn't possible that he had a sit down or whatever, but it is unlikely. Also, the links I've shown of his training, back me up a certain amount.
 

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Maybe he can do it while running because he surpassed J man in SM
 

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No. The guy above basically said what I was going to say about the first two pages you linked. Gathering sage chakra on the move is "physically impossible" if you would re-read the pages linked. Naruto may be the title character, however if the ancient toads themselves cant perfect something, then theres no way that some snot nosed brat can. For in addition, we also see that Naruto may have tried to gather sage chakra on the move in the second set of links, but he failed completely as he began to change into a toad.
 

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Jman turn Sage Mode while running remember he said I just have to keep my hands together.
 

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What I like about Naruto's SM idea is that he can use his clones. He can just set them up out of nowhere and have them sit and gather the energy for him and then he releases it and the energy goes into him.

I can understand if there is some distance thing as to how far the clones have to be for him to absorb the energy, but that's a great technique for somebody like him.
 

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Your first link the naruto is a shadow clone left there to fool yamato the 2nd one is real naruto who probably entered sage mode before we see he escaped to use it to find sasuke

Pa said its impossible to gather natural energy while moving, naruto did it but in an imbalanced way as he turned part frog very fast while moving and when fighting the 3rd raikage he sat still to enter sage mode.
 

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I feel like punching you in da face, nyugga.
 

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You think Naruto would have taken the time to stand about when Kakashi & Sakura & Sasuke could have been killing each other?
I'm not saying it isn't possible that he had a sit down or whatever, but it is unlikely. Also, the links I've shown of his training, back me up a certain amount.

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If he could why would he sit and let his friends get killed by madara
 
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Jman turn Sage Mode while running remember he said I just have to keep my hands together.

He had to keep his hands together to summon Ma and Pa and after they were summoned they fused with him and that let him enter sage mode, Jiraiya can't enter sage mode without Ma and Pa on his shoulders to gather natural energy for him.
 

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Naruto always make the impossible possible. Learning rasengan in 1 weak, sm in not up to 1 weak which took jiraiya a lifetime, rasenshuriken which is tought impossible is made possible in not up to a month, bijuuball in human form will be made possible. Becoming a complete host w/ the kyuubi the most sinister being will be made possible.
 

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He had to keep his hands together to summon Ma and Pa and after they were summoned they fused with him and that let him enter sage mode, Jiraiya can't enter sage mode without Ma and Pa on his shoulders to gather natural energy for him.

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He has to be still to gather the natural energy, you have to stop disrupting the flow of natural energy around you but Naruto is skilled now at gathering and balancing the energy and can obtain stillness quickly so he may only need a few seconds of absolute stillness to gather the energy
 

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I don't think so. He's had to be stationary to go into it the last couple times he's used it.

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So, any of you who are familiar with me will know I enjoy a good debate & challenge. So I'm making this thread so people can just have little debates here n there about whatever.
Just throw on a topic and the debate can start. Naruto relevent of course.

Topic 1: Naruto Sage Mode

I saw some pages of the manga that made me think Naruto could go SM while running.
Naruto not in SM:

Naruto now in SM while running:

The first link shows naruto's shadow clone with yamato. The second link shows the real naruto running already in sage mode. He went into sage mode off-panel.

I think he can now maybe turn SM while on the move, he was originally training to do it this way.
Him training:

Naruto starting to be able to gather Senjutsu Chakra on the move:


What do you think people?
trained and failed to do it, which is why he had to do the work-around with the shadow clones. He stated that he was training to maintain sage mode for a longer time, not to be able to do it on the run.

Naruto's two greatest sage-mode entering feats have him entering the mode in seconds, but in both, he is stationary, so no he still needs to be stationary.
 

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I either think he can go into Sage Mode on the move or he made another shadow clone that he made sit until it went into Sage Mode and then released it
 

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No. The guy above basically said what I was going to say about the first two pages you linked. Gathering sage chakra on the move is "physically impossible" if you would re-read the pages linked. Naruto may be the title character, however if the ancient toads themselves cant perfect something, then theres no way that some snot nosed brat can. For in addition, we also see that Naruto may have tried to gather sage chakra on the move in the second set of links, but he failed completely as he began to change into a toad.

It is not impossible. Look at the images. He does manage to do it. He starts to turn froggy I agree 100% but he is still gathering the Senjutsu chakra.
From this it is not hard to deduce that with more time & training, that Naruto may have been able to learn this technique.

Your first link the naruto is a shadow clone left there to fool yamato the 2nd one is real naruto who probably entered sage mode before we see he escaped to use it to find sasuke

Pa said its impossible to gather natural energy while moving, naruto did it but in an imbalanced way as he turned part frog very fast while moving and when fighting the 3rd raikage he sat still to enter sage mode.

Later it shows that the Naruto under the covers, is just pillows. He did not leave a clone as far as I can tell or prove-also that leaves a distance issue. Naruto's clones with Senjutsu chakra, needed to be summoned.
You said Pa mentioned it was impossible then said Naruto did it. No matter whether he managed or failed, he still did what was said to be impossible. With more training,not just that one week Naruto had with the Sages, he could have perfected it-in theory.
I also understand what you say about against the 3rd Raikage. However, that was only a clone of his. Naruto was spread thin & if he needs full focus to gather Nature energy while on the move(if he can indeed do it), it stands to reason that he would need to sit & focus.

The first link shows naruto's shadow clone with yamato. The second link shows the real naruto running already in sage mode. He went into sage mode off-panel.


trained and failed to do it, which is why he had to do the work-around with the shadow clones. He stated that he was training to maintain sage mode for a longer time, not to be able to do it on the run.

Naruto's two greatest sage-mode entering feats have him entering the mode in seconds, but in both, he is stationary, so no he still needs to be stationary.

I know. But the times we see Naruto attain SM is when he's fighting. So it's possible he and his clones still need to sit to focus as the fight takes away his focus.
It is not impossible by any means. The fact he tried was managing and then it went wrong means it is possible. Hard but can be done. He just needs more practice. That was his first week of Sage Mode with more time, he'll manage it.

I will admit that there is a good chance that it is Naruto's clone running off in Sage Mode or that the clone is left, but if the one back at the hotel is charging, he still needs to disperse and remerge with the original Naruto, for him to get the benefits of the accumulated Senjutsu chakra. Which we don't see & this would give it away and Yamato would notice.

It is also unlikely that Naruto making a Kage Bunshin would go unoticed in front of a Jounin-Yamato.
Someone mentioned,though I didn't quote, that Naruto requires intense focus to charge Senjutsu chakra while running. Well, Naruto had nothing else to focus on really, other than gathering Senjutsu chakra.

1:So, it IS possible to gather Senjutsu chakra while on the move, Naruto is seen doing it but lacks experience to master it at that stage, so turns froggy.

2: It is also possible for Naruto to have gotten better with this technique as he used multiple clones to use it and for each clone practicing or doing something, Naruto gains the experience.

3: It is very unlikely that Naruto used a simple shadow clone without Yamato noticing. The other flaw is that the clone needs to disperse to give the original any benefits it gains. Which would leave no Naruto at home.

I am not saying anything with certainty, as I cannot do that. I can only put forth a decent case with a good set of evidence pointing a certain way.

What I can say with 100% certainty, is that Naruto CAN gather Senjutsu chakra on the move,even if he hasn't yet gotten the hang of it.

One thing I must take back: It was a clone in the room. There is still no sign of any clone which gathers Senjutsu chakra and then disperses. And no images of Naruto charging Senjutsu chakra prior.
 
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