I don't think zabuza gets enough credit for out-smarting kakashi....

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2 things I know abut kakashi:

1. Generally, everyone he fights is pretty much way stronger than him. Itachi. pein, kakuzu( I believe at the time he was stronger than kakashi but not by alot), Tobi, sasuke (even though the fight didnt last, I love kakashi but I think if sasuke wouldn't have just fought danzo, he would have been done for.)

2. If you beat him once and he lives, shame on you because you probably won't beat him again. I think this would be true in evey case mentioned above except tobi (even though I think kakashi now has a way of hitting him.) Even though the clone of itachi he fought was only 30% of his chakras, the databook and other sources state zetsu clones retains all of the original abilites and fighting style/tactics. I think his plan would still have worked to a degree. (Where the 30% clone of itachi put a clone of kakashi in genjutsu.)

With all this said lets think about his fight against Zabuza. Both jonin, and imo they were both on the same EXACT level. But if you notice at the beginning of the fight- zabuza creates mist and creates a water clone. Kakashi sees him and creates a water clone as well. Zabuzas water clone attacks and kakashis water clone the attacks his making it dissapate. What kakashi didnt see was zabuzas 2nd water clone he made, which then goes on to attack to destroy kakashis water clone. The real kakashi came behind the 2nd water clone thinking the fight was over. Surprise. Zabuza had made 2 water clones.

For a man with no KG, super power (gates,lightning armor.tailed-beast), and no true super weapon (samehada), zabuza is a genius,who imo was on the same intellectual level as kakashi, and thats saying alot. If he was alive and had the part 2 powerscale, hed be a force to be reckoned with.
 

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He also nearly out-smarted kakashi in their 2nd fight but with the help of haku.
 

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Don't no if you know the meaning of "outsmarting" -_-
 

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so what your saying in you top sentence is that if sasuke was full health he would loose to kakashi or the other way around and the rest i might agree with it
 

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he has a special weapon that regenerates from iron, that is his special ability and he is strong
 

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oh he does he just looses it all for being outsmarted by season 1 naruto
 

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Zabuza was good without a doubt but outsmarting Kakashi? No way.
 

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of course he is strong!!! he is like Jounin level (High ranking ninja)
 

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Zabuza was good without a doubt but outsmarting Kakashi? No way.

Kakashi created one water clone...zabuza created 2 which ultimately lead to kakashi getting caught in the water prison....he out smarted.
 

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I completely agree with u, but i wouldnt say he outsmarted Kakashi, but more as tricked. He also is already to be a force to be reckoned with dude hes like a A-S rank ninja
 

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so what your saying in you top sentence is that if sasuke was full health he would loose to kakashi or the other way around and the rest i might agree with it

No im saying sasuke easily wins this fight at 100%. Kakashi could barely move after defending one susanoo arrow.
 

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If he was so smart, he'd be alive. Nuff said.

Dude STFU i hate u dumb***** who always say that. "If Itachi was so smart hed be alive" "if Madara was so smart hed be alive" "if Hiruzen was so smart hed be alive" u can say it about anybody, no matter how smart u r if there is enough power to overwhelm u, u will die, dont be so ignorant man
 

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I completely agree with u, but i wouldnt say he outsmarted Kakashi, but more as tricked. He also is already to be a force to be reckoned with dude hes like a A-S rank ninja

Exactly my point. Your just playing with words. Tricked=/=outsmarted.

Bottom line is: How many people trick or out smart kakashi?
 

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Kakashi was tricked and that's it. Also, he was put in a tight spot protecting all the team members.
 

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Dude STFU i hate u dumb***** who always say that. "If Itachi was so smart hed be alive" "if Madara was so smart hed be alive" "if Hiruzen was so smart hed be alive" u can say it about anybody, no matter how smart u r if there is enough power to overwhelm u, u will die, dont be so ignorant man

There's varying levels of intelligence. You can be intelligent, but if you die, then obviously the person you were fighting was more intelligent than you, because you died. It's simple as that. So yes Zabuza was powerful, but not as powerful as Kakashi, as Kakashi is still alive, and Zab isnt. Like I said, you couldn't have outsmarted someone if you're dead.
 

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How can you get credited for outsmarting someone if you're dead? That's like saying Hitler outsmarted the Allies in WW2.

According to your logic, Albert Einstien is alive as we speak. So are the Wright brothers. The Mayans. The Indians. George Washinton. Abe Licoln. Everyone smart is immortal.
 
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