I don't think Tobirama harbored hate for the Uchiha though..

[JStar King]

I understand that he was fearful and took precautions, but it caused him to do more harm than good. He basically:

> Segregated the Uchiha

> Made them police to keep them out of governing affairs, despite their co-founding status

> Discriminated against them, even though they were willing to fight for the village and protect it

> Spread nasty, malicious rumors about them

Him trying to protect the village is nothing but an excuse. He knew doing that, despite the Uchiha wanting peace, would soon cause the Uchiha to become angry.

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Tobirama claims the Uchiha are evil, but he's also evil himself for doing what he did. He's a hypocrite.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Tobirama was scarred by war he knew of the Uchiha clans near limitless potential and realised they'd be too strong for the Senju and their allies to handle. He also knew there was nobody left who could match them so he chose to isolate them and give the fodder Senju and their allies a chance. The isolation was designed to weaken them and their battle prowess for them not to amass techniques, power or influence.

Yes Tobirama hated them because they were Uchiha and had immense immeasurable potential. He forgets he's the reason Madara became the way he did. Madara decided to leave the village because Tobirama was already sewing the seeds of discord and undermining Hashirama. In essence Hashirama was like Hiruzen and Tobirama like Danzo.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

I'm not saying the was scared of them on a combatant sense but rather a threat to the villages peace.

naturally.

The Uchiha were powerful and often known for recklessness. Their leader was the epitome of both these things.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Okay those are in-story reasoning on why Uchiha need to be taken out from Manga, Tobirama's action towards Uchiha and leads to Coup. But what about out of story reasoning?

 

[123fire]

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[salamander uchiha]

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do you want the type of Uchiha and with their ability to awaken MS through constant battling and suffering loss or this kind

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1 looks like a clan of warriors the other not so much. The purpose of segregation even this weakened clan would put the village on its knees imagine if they were battle hardened warriors like the 1st kind you can only imagine what would've happened. Imagine the 1st king producing an army of Itachi's. It was the first kind that gave birth to an Uchiha of Madara's level with his ability fight 24 hours straight. It was the second type which gave birth to Sasuke who had above average chakra.

 

[JStar King]

Okay those are in-story reasoning on why Uchiha need to be taken out from Manga, Tobirama's action towards Uchiha and leads to Coup. But what about out of story reasoning?

The Uchiha wanted peace and were willing to work with the village.

And yet, there was still reasoning to take them out, including the children, because some racist douche was paranoid of them?

:wut:

The Uchiha had every right to be angry because they were persecuted for being who they were.

Genocide is not justified. The Village's dirty schemes were always swept under the rug and ignored. But when it comes to the Uchiha, everybody loses their sh*t.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

And his actions were the catalyst for bringing another Madara (Sasuke):lol

that's more on obito than tobirama

 

[Ansatsuken]

The Uchiha wanted peace and were willing to work with the village.

And yet, there was still reasoning to take them out, including the children, because some racist douche was paranoid of them?

:wut:

The Uchiha had every right to be angry because they were persecuted for being who they were.

Genocide is not justified. The Village's dirty schemes were always swept under the rug and ignored. But when it comes to the Uchiha, everybody loses their sh*t.

No, what I meant by out of story reasoning is something that influencing the story direction.

You know Kishi, he never had a 'bright mind' when it come to story writing/character development.

 

[Chikombo]

Alot of people in real life are critical of Islam, but they are not considered haters, so it could be the same.
People still get pissed off though. It's not like being nice.

 

[salamander uchiha]

that's more on obito than tobirama

True but it was all possible because of Tobirama.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Okay those are in-story reasoning on why Uchiha need to be taken out from Manga, Tobirama's action towards Uchiha and leads to Coup. But what about out of story reasoning?

There was no in-story reasoning for the removal of the Uchiha. The Uchiha shafted Madara despite knowing he had some merit of truth in his words and waited probably 60+ years to decide on action against the village. The Uchiha had actually figured out that they were being plotted against decades before the coup and the planners of the coup had been born. Just like everyone else, the Uchiha were willing to give into peace.

The fact that the village suspected the entire clan was behind the village actually works in the Uchiha's favor. They had zero rogue ninja's to suspect being behind the Nine-Tails attack, meaning that they didn't tolerate "New Madara's".

There is also no out of manga justification for genocide. If what happened to the Uchiha happened in real life, none of us would ever tolerate it or consider it okay.

 

[Ansatsuken]

There was no in-story reasoning for the removal of the Uchiha. The Uchiha shafted Madara despite knowing he had some merit of truth in his words and waited probably 60+ years to decide on action against the village. The Uchiha had actually figured out that they were being plotted against decades before the coup and the planners of the coup had been born. Just like everyone else, the Uchiha were willing to give into peace.

The fact that the village suspected the entire clan was behind the village actually works in the Uchiha's favor. They had zero rogue ninja's to suspect being behind the Nine-Tails attack, meaning that they didn't tolerate "New Madara's".

There is also no out of manga justification for genocide. If what happened to the Uchiha happened in real life, none of us would ever tolerate it or consider it okay.

If you dont understand about the objective of my post please refrain from answering it.

What you just posted above not answering my question. You just wasting your time and space of this thread. Better to delete it

 

[BenjerminGaye]

True but it was all possible because of Tobirama.

not really. Even if tobirama didnt set up the police force, uchiha would still be the likely/only suspects for the 9 tails attack. Which would lead to the quarantine and the anbu watching them. Because you know, an uchiha did it. Then the uchiha that killed off his entire clan? obito
The uchiha that led to his face about the nine tails incident? obito.
The uchiha that lied to his brother? obito.

Both sasuke's and naruto's woes rest mostly on obito uchiha.

 

[whiteboy2345]

not really. Even if tobirama didnt set up the police force, uchiha would still be the likely/only suspects for the 9 tails attack. Which would lead to the quarantine and the anbu watching them. Because you know, an uchiha did it. Then the uchiha that killed off his entire clan? obito
The uchiha that led to his face about the nine tails incident? obito.
The uchiha that lied to his brother? obito.

Both sasuke's and naruto's woes rest mostly on obito uchiha.

This is true, Obito planned on sparking conflict between the Uchiha and village but settled on wiping out his people after Itachi implored him.

 

[salamander uchiha]

not really. Even if tobirama didnt set up the police force, uchiha would still be the likely/only suspects for the 9 tails attack. Which would lead to the quarantine and the anbu watching them. Because you know, an uchiha did it. Then the uchiha that killed off his entire clan? obito
The uchiha that led to his face about the nine tails incident? obito.
The uchiha that lied to his brother? obito.

Both sasuke's and naruto's woes rest mostly on obito uchiha.

Ah you forget it was Tobirama's actions which forced Madara to leave. Had Madara's not left the 9 tails incident wouldn't have happened. So neither Sasuke or Obito.

Let's say after the 9 tails incident Tobirama didn't make the police force the Ichiha would've grown in power and ability through warfare. They dynamics would be totally different. They wouldn't have been isolated or blamed for the 9 tails attack if it happened because they'd be fighting it or something.

The root is Tobirama it all leads back to him.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Ah you forget it was Tobirama's actions which forced Madara to leave. Had Madara's not left the 9 tails incident wouldn't have happened. So neither Sasuke or Obito.

Let's say after the 9 tails incident Tobirama didn't make the police force the Ichiha would've grown in power and ability through warfare. They dynamics would be totally different. They wouldn't have been isolated or blamed for the 9 tails attack if it happened because they'd be fighting it or something.

The root is Tobirama it all leads back to him.

no it wasn't It was hashirama become kage that led to tobirama leaving. And tobirama said himself he has no control over that since its a democratic process. That's on the people and the elders.

 

[salamander uchiha]

no it wasn't It was hashirama become kage that led to tobirama leaving. And tobirama said himself he has no control over that since its a democratic process. That's on the people and the elders.

Not really Tobirama knew Hashirama had control and didn't let him make the decision. Even if he was selected he could the rejected it and enforced his will. Tobirama undermined that and he himself was elected without a vote as was Hiruzen. So that's pure hypocrisy and we know that he had ulterior motives which was to keep Madara away from authority. It eas democratic when it came to Madara only.

 

[Jiren]

He was just scared like they said in the manga

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Not really Tobirama knew Hashirama had control and didn't let him make the decision. Even if he was selected he could the rejected it and enforced his will. Tobirama undermined that and he himself was elected without a vote as was Hiruzen. So that's pure hypocrisy and we know that he had ulterior motives which was to keep Madara away from authority. It eas democratic when it came to Madara only.

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Yes really.