First of all who said you to take Fairy Tail manga in general seriously.Aren't manga's are meant to be something we enjoy for reading ?No manga can be taken seriously unless you are connected to it in some way or other.Even if the manga became a joke for you,are you still not enjoying it ?.Fairy Tail is not for everyone,it is for some lucky people only.For people who are taking about fanservice in FT....Yes, FT has fanservice. Yes, FT has nakama power. Yes, FT battles are short (for which I say, thank you,Hiro Mashima Sensei!). Yes, Lucy(Being a primary Protagonist) is not so powerful and Natsu will always get the last punch at the end of the arc like a boss. It’s okay to not like a manga, and it’s okay to share your opinion on it a few times. It’s not okay to keep harping on it and spoiling other people’s enjoyment.Especially if you’re reading it illegally and not supporting the mangaka with your money at all.If you didn't even invest a penny on it,you have no right to criticize a Manga/Mangaka.Excluding your post other posts in this thread are even more ridiculous.
Talking about Fanservice in FT,let me rephrase a question for all of you.If you don't like Fanservice,how in the hell did you thought to read FT ?Given the fact that Ecchi is one of it's genre.People talking about the excessive usage of fanservice in FT is nothing more than their over exaggeration on it or they are asking more for it in disguise.Fanservice in FT is nothing more than a comedic relief and it is of a mediocre level if not very low.I am not getting why some people say that Fairy Tail has a lot of fanservice.The fanservice in Fairy Tail, if any, is minimal quantity especially when compared to other animes out there which has similar Ecchi tag as in Fairy Tail.And People whining about it getting in the middle of the story/fight are the people in general who are looking at it most.Out of 100% of FT manga readers,nearly 20% of them are enjoying it along with the fanservice.It is not much of problem.
Seems to be centered ?For starters out there,Fairy Tail's main theme in the manga is Friendship.It is of showing what are friends and what is their values.It is always been like this from the very start.Main characters doesn't lost in match.why?It is a basic shonen theme.Fairy Tail characters always wins in a fight.Isn't that certain already if you are reading it till now.In some manga's you read that Villain overpowered the main hero and after a certain amount of time,the hero comes and overpowers villain but in FT all are done in same scenario.Power of friendship is overused ?Yes a little at times but still that is nice to watch/read.Them emotions they gave when they are talking about their nakama is what makes my heart feels warm.Fights are being short in FT?Yes,like I said above that is what one of the good things about FT.It is always certain that when one mage up against another mage,one is going to become victorious or not.Fairy Tail handling fights very simply.It isn't dragging fights for some very long chapters unlike other manga's out there.There are simple and straight forward.At sometimes amazingly done.
People claiming that fight/explanations is/are BS just by reading random fan translations.How Erza won the fight against Kyoka was explained simply in the manga.Even I will agree that the fight wasn't well set by Hiro and the explanation he gave she being using her sixth sense wasn't that great.If you read that carefully,you can see that even after taking away her five senses,Erza can still feel pain.One can argue that fight isn't well made by hiro but you can't outright call it bad.Sixth sense is already been established in another manga(Not sure about that manga's name)and it was played out and accepted well by Supporters of the manga.I don't see any problem with that."Friends are my power"..doesn't give them any new power.It is nothing more than a common dialogue used in FT which triggers their emotions and thus makes them Furious.There is a clear difference of how serious mage and extremely serious mage fights and their difference in the execution of their strength.
Gray defeating Rufus isn't a best example to argue.It is been established that Rufus Memory Make magic can't memorize infinite pattern of magic attacks at once.It is more of a strategy from gray to win against Rufus which worked pretty decently in gray's favour.Laxus defeating Raven Tail isn't much of a wonder.Laxus is one of the powerhouse of the Fairy Tail Mages and he is showed to be strongest among them.Yes,FT members did say some speech before they beat the crap out of the villains just like some other manga's out there.I don't see any wrong with that.It is like one is saying that 'I want Shush actions/fights in the manga only which are utterly lame.But people tend to only point out their ridiculous opinion on FT unlike with other manga's.Adddiction much?I'll leave that to each of your own concerns.
Some random person pops up from nowhere and post his so ridiculously valuable opinion on FT calling the fans horrible just because they defend their favourite series.And I have seen that so called random person get butthurted all over in a thread(s) when his so loved manga was named horrible in the title in a certain section.First thing this kind of people need to learn is to give respect to others opinion/subjective criticism and if they start criticism about the manga they don't like atleast try to post something other than silly words in their posts and try to back up whatever they claim.Someother person claims that it is a soft paper porn.Not sure whether serious or trolling. Another one pops up and says that he dropped the manga just because of Nakama crap but sticky'd to other nakama crap manga's or animes?.Biased much ?And again someother person comes and sees posts of what others said and decides to not get into it.Influenced by others opinions other than having their own ?Seems legit.
Fairy Tail has it's own flaws and isn't a great series just like any other manga till now.You can argue that there are some instances where FT would have played better but you can't argue that it is bad/shitty series like how other people played it out to be.FT is good in it's own standards.It is simple yet amazing,fun,adventure,mysterious manga.And there are 2 more arcs at best aside from this tartarus arc for the countdown of the end of the manga.There are purely people who only comes here to criticize when they think that chapter is bad and they don't even appreciate the work when it was done nicely.Biased much?.Still at the end of the day,I have nothing against anyone of you users who hate FT as I am also a Fairy Tail hater to begin with.Yes,I am hater who changed into a fan without myself knowing it.I am proud to say that.My pride lies on my current* username.
I want expand more on it but I don't have much of a leisure time/not interested in it,so I made my post as short as I can.
Don't take those morons serious dude. Most of the hate towards come from people that have never seen/read it and just wanna feel cool by hating something like others on the internet does.
Lol seriously for the Natsu fighting the strongest part. I never see people complain when Luffy, Naruto, Ichio or any other damn MC fights the strongest, but yet when natsu is it's like world war. Tbh i like Natsu's fight and i even like him more than the mc's i listed.
To the fs part. No one complaisn about that in OP! Namis boobs are getting bigger and bigger evey damn chapter/episode. Is dressed with a shorts and a damn bikini and, so does the others girls, and yet i don't hear anything. I lvoe how people here complain but when they watch ecchi they don't see anything wrong. Btw that's the same, since it is the same genre, retards.
If you start FT you should know that this Manga is based on frendship, to protect the guild because it's their family. Emotions does make people stronger, so wtf is wrong is wrong with it?
Especially if you’re reading it illegally and not supporting the mangaka with your money at all.If you didn't even invest a penny on it,you have no right to criticize a Manga/Mangaka.
First of all who said you to take Fairy Tail manga in general seriously.Aren't manga's are meant to be something we enjoy for reading ?No manga can be taken seriously unless you are connected to it in some way or other.Even if the manga became a joke for you,are you still not enjoying it ?.Fairy Tail is not for everyone,it is for some lucky people only.For people who are taking about fanservice in FT....Yes, FT has fanservice. Yes, FT has nakama power. Yes, FT battles are short (for which I say, thank you,Hiro Mashima Sensei!). Yes, Lucy(Being a primary Protagonist) is not so powerful and Natsu will always get the last punch at the end of the arc like a boss. It’s okay to not like a manga, and it’s okay to share your opinion on it a few times. It’s not okay to keep harping on it and spoiling other people’s enjoyment.Especially if you’re reading it illegally and not supporting the mangaka with your money at all.If you didn't even invest a penny on it,you have no right to criticize a Manga/Mangaka.Excluding your post other posts in this thread are even more ridiculous.
Talking about Fanservice in FT,let me rephrase a question for all of you.If you don't like Fanservice,how in the hell did you thought to read FT ?Given the fact that Ecchi is one of it's genre.People talking about the excessive usage of fanservice in FT is nothing more than their over exaggeration on it or they are asking more for it in disguise.Fanservice in FT is nothing more than a comedic relief and it is of a mediocre level if not very low.I am not getting why some people say that Fairy Tail has a lot of fanservice.The fanservice in Fairy Tail, if any, is minimal quantity especially when compared to other animes out there which has similar Ecchi tag as in Fairy Tail.And People whining about it getting in the middle of the story/fight are the people in general who are looking at it most.Out of 100% of FT manga readers,nearly 20% of them are enjoying it along with the fanservice.It is not much of problem.
Seems to be centered ?For starters out there,Fairy Tail's main theme in the manga is Friendship.It is of showing what are friends and what is their values.It is always been like this from the very start.Main characters doesn't lost in match.why?It is a basic shonen theme.Fairy Tail characters always wins in a fight.Isn't that certain already if you are reading it till now.In some manga's you read that Villain overpowered the main hero and after a certain amount of time,the hero comes and overpowers villain but in FT all are done in same scenario.Power of friendship is overused ?Yes a little at times but still that is nice to watch/read.Them emotions they gave when they are talking about their nakama is what makes my heart feels warm.Fights are being short in FT?Yes,like I said above that is what one of the good things about FT.It is always certain that when one mage up against another mage,one is going to become victorious or not.Fairy Tail handling fights very simply.It isn't dragging fights for some very long chapters unlike other manga's out there.There are simple and straight forward.At sometimes amazingly done.
People claiming that fight/explanations is/are BS just by reading random fan translations.How Erza won the fight against Kyoka was explained simply in the manga.Even I will agree that the fight wasn't well set by Hiro and the explanation he gave she being using her sixth sense wasn't that great.If you read that carefully,you can see that even after taking away her five senses,Erza can still feel pain.One can argue that fight isn't well made by hiro but you can't outright call it bad.Sixth sense is already been established in another manga(Not sure about that manga's name)and it was played out and accepted well by Supporters of the manga.I don't see any problem with that."Friends are my power"..doesn't give them any new power.It is nothing more than a common dialogue used in FT which triggers their emotions and thus makes them Furious.There is a clear difference of how serious mage and extremely serious mage fights and their difference in the execution of their strength.
Gray defeating Rufus isn't a best example to argue.It is been established that Rufus Memory Make magic can't memorize infinite pattern of magic attacks at once.It is more of a strategy from gray to win against Rufus which worked pretty decently in gray's favour.Laxus defeating Raven Tail isn't much of a wonder.Laxus is one of the powerhouse of the Fairy Tail Mages and he is showed to be strongest among them.Yes,FT members did say some speech before they beat the crap out of the villains just like some other manga's out there.I don't see any wrong with that.It is like one is saying that 'I want Shush actions/fights in the manga only which are utterly lame.But people tend to only point out their ridiculous opinion on FT unlike with other manga's.Adddiction much?I'll leave that to each of your own concerns.
Some random person pops up from nowhere and post his so ridiculously valuable opinion on FT calling the fans horrible just because they defend their favourite series.And I have seen that so called random person get butthurted all over in a thread(s) when his so loved manga was named horrible in the title in a certain section.First thing this kind of people need to learn is to give respect to others opinion/subjective criticism and if they start criticism about the manga they don't like atleast try to post something other than silly words in their posts and try to back up whatever they claim.Someother person claims that it is a soft paper porn.Not sure whether serious or trolling. Another one pops up and says that he dropped the manga just because of Nakama crap but sticky'd to other nakama crap manga's or animes?.Biased much ?And again someother person comes and sees posts of what others said and decides to not get into it.Influenced by others opinions other than having their own ?Seems legit.
Fairy Tail has it's own flaws and isn't a great series just like any other manga till now.You can argue that there are some instances where FT would have played better but you can't argue that it is bad/shitty series like how other people played it out to be.FT is good in it's own standards.It is simple yet amazing,fun,adventure,mysterious manga.And there are 2 more arcs at best aside from this tartarus arc for the countdown of the end of the manga.There are purely people who only comes here to criticize when they think that chapter is bad and they don't even appreciate the work when it was done nicely.Biased much?.Still at the end of the day,I have nothing against anyone of you users who hate FT as I am also a Fairy Tail hater to begin with.Yes,I am hater who changed into a fan without myself knowing it.I am proud to say that.My pride lies on my current* username.
I want expand more on it but I don't have much of a leisure time/not interested in it,so I made my post as short as I can.
I didn't know you before hated Fairy Tail
Honestly, I think that all those people that come here have nothing better to do so they just bash on a series because they see others do it and think it's cool, this is the most retarded thing ever
-A great theory about the dragons and stuff
4-5 people come, including me and you
-A thread if the OP should read FT or why FT is horrible and the manga should be burned to be forever forgotten
20+ mindless haters come and start hating FT without even reading
Honestly, this is just BS
Don't take those morons serious dude. Most of the hate towards come from people that have never seen/read it and just wanna feel cool by hating something like others on the internet does.
Lol seriously for the Natsu fighting the strongest part. I never see people complain when Luffy, Naruto, Ichio or any other damn MC fights the strongest, but yet when natsu is it's like world war. Tbh i like Natsu's fight and i even like him more than the mc's i listed.
To the fs part. No one complaisn about that in OP! Namis boobs are getting bigger and bigger evey damn chapter/episode. Is dressed with a shorts and a damn bikini and, so does the others girls, and yet i don't hear anything. I lvoe how people here complain but when they watch ecchi they don't see anything wrong. Btw that's the same, since it is the same genre, retards.
If you start FT you should know that this Manga is based on frendship, to protect the guild because it's their family. Emotions does make people stronger, so wtf is wrong is wrong with it?
People say OP is the greatest series of all the time
-Has fanservice just like FT
-Has Nakama power
-Luffy always fight the strongest villain and gets overpowered and then win
-Nami, one of the protagonists, wear much less than Lucy and is much weaker in comparison
WTF PEOPLE
Luffy always had strength to beat him.
1. He was weaker than Crocodile but beat him because of advantage he got over him.
2. He was weaker than Enel, but beat him because of nature advantege he had, rubber > lightning.
3. He was stronger than Lucci and Gecko Moriah and beat them fair.
-Nami, one of the protagonists, wear much less than Lucy and is much weaker in comparison
WTF PEOPLE
No, not even close to FT. You will never see some heroine being tortuned while being nude.
That's part of every Shonen manga.
Luffy always had strength to beat him.
1. He was weaker than Crocodile but beat him because of advantage he got over him.
2. He was weaker than Enel, but beat him because of nature advantege he had, rubber > lightning.
3. He was stronger than Lucci and Gecko Moriah and beat them fair.
What does being much weaker has to do with 'greatest series of all time'??
That people claim that Lucy is useless and only fanservice character
...
Lucci should technically be stronger than the Luffy of that time...
That's a looooooooooooooooooot of luck that he found Croc's weakness and is made of Enel's weakness
He beated Gecko because of the shadows thing, honestly...
I can understand that everyone has a different opinion and taste, but most of the hate against FT is just laughable. More than half of the haters don't even follow the series and yet love to talk shit about it.
Tch, who cares about Fanservice? Its just there, anyone who pays so much attention is just a perv (I dont mind it). And I get the Friendship Power Up crap but I only have a problem with that kind of stuff for Erza. Thats it. Other than that Fairy Tail is a good anime/manga that just gets a lot of unecessary hate
That people claim that Lucy is useless and only fanservice character
...
Lucci should technically be stronger than the Luffy of that time...
That's a looooooooooooooooooot of luck that he found Croc's weakness and is made of Enel's weakness
He beated Gecko because of the shadows thing, honestly...
Why don't you read the sentences before those lines ?
’It’s okay to not like a manga, and it’s okay to share your opinion on it a few times. It's not okay to keep harping on it and spoiling other people’s enjoyment.Especially if you’re reading it illegally and not supporting the mangaka with your money at all.If you didn't even invest a penny on it,you have no right to criticize a Manga/Mangaka
There I meant that you can free to criticize it for a few times whether you buy it or not but it is not okay to do that consistently.Especially.........There you have it.
How so?Air is of a Nature.Every living Aerobic being has the right to inhale for their own survival.It is a free gift from nature for the survival of mankind.Is reading manga which is professional work is also a free one like Air ?
Agree with some points but I stick to it through the end.. Tartaros for the most part has been one of the best arcs in the series.. The only downside besides Erza(like the character) and her fight with Kyouka and Hiro slowing down the pacing because of the length and gives us something that's not needed.. Jiemma wasn't needed or utilized well..
Why don't you read the sentences before those lines ?
There I meant that you can free to criticize it for a few times whether you buy it or not but it is not okay to do that consistently.Especially.........There you have it.
How so?Air is of a Nature.Every living Aerobic being has the right to inhale for their own survival.It is a free gift from nature for the survival of mankind.Is reading manga which is professional work is also a free one like Air ?
I don't see what's thing with "you are free to criticize it few times" and "you are not free to criticize it numeros times"???
Really, if it's illegaly why do you read it on Manga Panda and don't wait official release to read and go buy it.
When it comes to criticsm... I find one great post, long ago, I will just post it here with some changes. Not really pointed in you, but in all "anti criticsm"
With a feeling:
"Why read if you're just going to shit on it?"
Three main reasons (of course, there are others, but these are the big ones):
1. We still think Fairy Tail will get better.
2. Fairy Tail has been good before (see #1).
3. We just want to see how it'll end. Some of us grew up with Fairy Tail, so it'll be a shame to just quit reading it now, especially since this is the final arc.
"If you think you can do better, then why not just write your own spin-off?"
or "Writing a manga and putting out chapters weekly is hard work, let's see you try and do it!"
I can't write good fiction to save my life, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate it when it's good. It also doesn't mean I can't see the flaws when it's bad. If this is how you counter criticisms, then I dare you to watch this movie (Catwoman), criticize it, then make your own better version of that movie.
Maybe then, I'll consider writing my own version of FT.
"Why not try lowering your standards? You're so uptight about this series!"
No thanks.
If we're talking standards, then I'd like to know about those shared by the perfectionists - aka the ones who give out 5/5 ratings every single week. Even if Chapter A was slightly better than Chapter B, and even if Chapter C was more action-oriented/less talky than Chapter D, you'll still see people giving perfect ratings.
Why? What makes a chapter perfect for you? If the inconsistencies are good enough to garner perfect ratings every week, then I'd hate to see what you'd consider a 2/5.
"This section is for FT fans only. Why are you on here if you're just going to complain about the chapters?"
What, I can't be a FT fan if I don't think it's as good as everyone else? There's a lot more to being a fan than just blindly loving everything about the franchise. The Star Wars fanbase should be a prime example of this: the series has a lot of fans, but it's become universal truth to disregard the prequels and act as if they never existed. Same with Jar Jar Binks. I have yet to meet a Star Wars fan who liked the guy.
There's a difference between being a fan and a fanboy. A fan will like a series and accept it despite its flaws. A fanboy will ignore all the flaws and say that the series is the most perfect thing to ever exist. We're all fans here. Just make sure you're not a fanboy.
"It's not like you're actually paying to read FT. Just be thankful you're reading this for free."
Just because it's free, doesn't mean it gets a pass from criticisms. This is no excuse for me to overlook its flaws and just focus on the positive.
And my favorite:
"Don't like, don't read."
In a similar vein, if you don't like reading the criticisms, then don't read them.
I don't see what's thing with "you are free to criticize it few times" and "you are not free to criticize it numeros times"???
Really, if it's illegaly why do you read it on Manga Panda and don't wait official release to read and go buy it.
When it comes to criticsm... I find one great post, long ago, I will just post it here with some changes. Not really pointed in you, but in all "anti criticsm"
With a feeling:
"Why read if you're just going to shit on it?"
Three main reasons (of course, there are others, but these are the big ones):
1. We still think Fairy Tail will get better.
2. Fairy Tail has been good before (see #1).
3. We just want to see how it'll end. Some of us grew up with Fairy Tail, so it'll be a shame to just quit reading it now, especially since this is the final arc.
"If you think you can do better, then why not just write your own spin-off?"
or "Writing a manga and putting out chapters weekly is hard work, let's see you try and do it!"
I can't write good fiction to save my life, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate it when it's good. It also doesn't mean I can't see the flaws when it's bad. If this is how you counter criticisms, then I dare you to watch this movie (Catwoman), criticize it, then make your own better version of that movie.
Maybe then, I'll consider writing my own version of FT.
"Why not try lowering your standards? You're so uptight about this series!"
No thanks.
If we're talking standards, then I'd like to know about those shared by the perfectionists - aka the ones who give out 5/5 ratings every single week. Even if Chapter A was slightly better than Chapter B, and even if Chapter C was more action-oriented/less talky than Chapter D, you'll still see people giving perfect ratings.
Why? What makes a chapter perfect for you? If the inconsistencies are good enough to garner perfect ratings every week, then I'd hate to see what you'd consider a 2/5.
"This section is for FT fans only. Why are you on here if you're just going to complain about the chapters?"
What, I can't be a FT fan if I don't think it's as good as everyone else? There's a lot more to being a fan than just blindly loving everything about the franchise. The Star Wars fanbase should be a prime example of this: the series has a lot of fans, but it's become universal truth to disregard the prequels and act as if they never existed. Same with Jar Jar Binks. I have yet to meet a Star Wars fan who liked the guy.
There's a difference between being a fan and a fanboy. A fan will like a series and accept it despite its flaws. A fanboy will ignore all the flaws and say that the series is the most perfect thing to ever exist. We're all fans here. Just make sure you're not a fanboy.
"It's not like you're actually paying to read Bleach. Just be thankful you're reading this for free."
Just because it's free, doesn't mean it gets a pass from criticisms. This is no excuse for me to overlook its flaws and just focus on the positive.
And my favorite:
"Don't like, don't read."
In a similar vein, if you don't like reading the criticisms, then don't read them.
Lol,first of all,I hope non gets offended with the fisrt paragraph I typed in my original post.If they,my apologies only if they are my fellow FT fans.U_U
You are free to criticize it few times...I meant you can criticize it as you can see the flaws in it but you can't criticize it for each and every thing you see in it and constantly criticising about a particular said topic which you have already criticised.It is more like a whining than criticising which only spoils other's enjoyment towards the series.My entire post in this thread in not just pointed at single one,it is pointed at everyone in general.Flaws ?Every manga out there has it's own but doing those posts sole purposely and repeatedly only ruin the other's enjoyment.
Ahhh!Why you ask ?Eagerness to read what happens next.When the official chapter is released,I am re-reading it again.And I am buying volumes which are available in my region.Just a while ago,I ordered FT Vol.1.xdmust be a coincidence about what we are speaking now.(My old one is lost during house changing)For those which are not I am reading it online.
That spoiler thing post.....That works for all the manga out there not just FT but it occurs more times with FT than not.For a person who likes a series has right to dislike it when he/she thinks it is bad.No offence but for example you,Tale,You are very consistently posting in Bleach/OP/FT discussion threads every week after you read a said chapter.And you appreciate it when you liked the chapter and at the same time you depreciate it when you disliked it which I has a huge respect for you as a one of the fellow fan.But what about others who solely comes to here to post only when they think the chapter is bad but doesn't contribute in any discussions at all when the chapter is good ?
This is a post from one of my tumblr friend.It is not pointed at you but it is pointed at what is her experience in the forums and what she did because of that.She is not just one there are majority of them who did that.
------------------------------------In my Other Life(TM), I’m a self-publishing fiction writer (actually, I’m a lot of other things as well, but it’s the writer part that’s relevant here). And one of the big areas we self-publishers have control over (and which gives rise to a ton of debate) is the issue of pricing our stories.
Bear with me. This will become relevant to the not just Fairy Tail fandom but also for others in a minute.
When self-publishing first became big (thanks to the Kindle), a lot of writers either gave their books away or sold them for rock-bottom prices (99 cents) in the hopes of going up the bestseller lists, gaining visibility, and building a readership.
It worked for a while. But here’s what they found:
The readers you attract at free to low prices are not the readers you necessarily want.
Because in that price range are people who download your book and never bother to read it. There are people who get your book because if they squint hard and look at the cover upside down, it just might be something they’d like, and hey! It’s cheap/free, so why not? They are buying based on PRICE rather than on whether they find your blurb compelling or your style great.
And these are the people who often have the most negative things to say about your story. (There have been studies done, I believe, that show people who get stuff for free are the most critical of it.)
I stopped going to FT forums because of sour commenters who’ve hated FT for the past 100 chapters and had nothing but negativity to contribute. If those same people had to pay for the manga, they’d soon drop it and stop making the same remarks every. single. week. Right now, it doesn’t cost them anything in terms of money or time (it takes what? 5 minutes to skim through a chapter every week?) to read Fairy Tail, so they keep coming back to it and being obnoxiously critical about things that have been there all the time.---------------------------------------
Because if we get chapter every week and people say that they don't like pretty much the same thing every week, that most certainly isn't going in circles, or whinning. Chapter discussion has a thread every week and every week is a different story. If 10 chapters in a row are empty (not going to say that there is somethig wrong, so I will say 'empty') it's only natural to write of it.
Whining starts when the criticism is being called complains for the sake of complaining, or bashing despite that people write reasons as to why the don't like something. When people say be patient despite something happening million chapters ago. Criticism isn't about what may, or may not happen in million chapters it's about what is happening in due moment. That's especialy troublesome when it comes to chapters with explanations because most of the time there is really no reason to believe that there will be any continuation to an explnation since there is really no pont to leave some parts out when the explanation is related and needed to understand what is going on right now. Then there is the issue of people creating 10 theories to fill holes in "explanation" and basicaly acting like it's a fact despite it being really a stretch of imagination. What the point of making things look etter than they are when it won't change the fact that those things are not as good as you like? Going in circles starts with people ignoring the fact that "complains" are based on something and having problems with complains in general. Some people respond and then it's endless discussion starts. That's why I rarely respond when I see that it will change nothing.
Criticism is what is discussed by people who criticise, people who criticise the criticism and people who actualy try to give a new perspective to certain aspects so that people who criticise could change their opinion upon seeing that maybe they missed something since many people may have problem with remembering 300 chapters. In the process we get many posts with criticism and it actualy make it took like there more criticism that there actualy is. I mean who will comment on the fact that I, or someone else likes something. That happens only when it comes to some really specific events. Criticism is what creates most of the discussion. Other than that it's mystery which we don't have all that much those days, but we have threads for mystery and theories based on it. Criticism free threads. However criticism is what creates the discussion in many threads.
If people are so annoyed by it than it's not hard to avoid the most criticism heavy threads. There really isn't so many of them, but most of the time those are the most interesting ones.
