[Discussion] I call BS

[Ziba27]

So count all the instances were Kishi broke an absolute rule he set previously a.k.a. BS

Lets see how many we can remember(working my was backwards).

1. Spiral Zetsu using (lesser) 1000 Hand Buddha: he may be different to the other 10 000 zetsus but he is still a zetsu, neither is able to use any nature release jutsu. And if Spiral Zetsu was there all along then why didn't obito use him?


2. Madara's Plug-n-Play eye: we saw Kakashi needed a medical nin to help with removing and implanting it, Sasuke was out for some days and had a blindfold, can't say anything about Obito's rinnegan.


3. Madara's Susano'o: It is a dojutsu, it requires not one but two MS eyes, neither kakashi nor Obito have, both itachi's and sasuke's susano's vanished when they lost sight.

4. Sasuke having PS: after getting EMS he spontaneously manifests Complete Susano'o... and then minutes later manifests PS after only hearing about it.

5. Minato having KCM: died a minute after sealing Kurama and was running 10min(assuming) after getting revived so had no time to train plus the time he was sealed doesn't count since neither Hashi nor Tobi knew who he was yet they were sealed together

will post more if I got the energy or you could add yours...

 

[Flakez]

Yes this is Bullshit, how may I help you? (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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[Biscoe Uzumaki]

Its Kishimoto's story so let him do as he wishes. I'm gonna enjoy regardless and so should you.

 

[Donj]

Yes this is Bullshit, how may I help you?

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i agree with him

also that's kishi world we live by his rules

 

[Aomine Daiki]

So count all the instances were Kishi broke an absolute rule he set previously a.k.a. BS

Lets see how many we can remember(working my was backwards).

1. Spiral Zetsu using (lesser) 1000 Hand Buddha: he may be different to the other 10 000 zetsus but he is still a zetsu, neither is able to use any nature release jutsu. And if Spiral Zetsu was there all along then why didn't obito use him?


2. Madara's Plug-n-Play eye: we saw Kakashi needed a medical nin to help with removing and implanting it, Sasuke was out for some days and had a blindfold, can't say anything about Obito's rinnegan.


3. Madara's Susano'o: It is a dojutsu, it requires not one but two MS eyes, neither kakashi nor Obito have, both itachi's and sasuke's susano's vanished when they lost sight.

4. Sasuke having PS: after getting EMS he spontaneously manifests Complete Susano'o... and then minutes later manifests PS after only hearing about it.

5. Minato having KCM: died a minute after sealing Kurama and was running 10min(assuming) after getting revived so had no time to train plus the time he was sealed doesn't count since neither Hashi nor Tobi knew who he was yet they were sealed together

will post more if I got the energy or you could add yours...

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Also true.

 

[AllseeingSharingan]

1. Spiral zetsu is wrapped around yamato using his body like he did obito. This is why he has any type of nature release.

2. I'm assuming because of hashirama healing ability when he put the eye ball in his head. Hashirama healing healed his eye socket etc.

3. Itachi went blind before using susanno. Both eyes infact were just dots when itachi activated his sussnoo, still not sure how madara did it with no eyes in his head. But itachi used it while being blind.

4.Sasuke was not showing his true power simply just matching narutos charka play by play. So he had the PS the entire time. But like a smart ninja you don't show everyone your best jutsu right away. Today's friend can be tomorrows enemy.

5.that part is kinda fishy. But while you talk to your bijuu the time factor isn't the same like in the real world. Minato took pure charka from the kyuubi so my guess is he beat it while 1st was telling his story.

 

[johnny scars]

So count all the instances were Kishi broke an absolute rule he set previously a.k.a. BS

Lets see how many we can remember(working my was backwards).

1. Spiral Zetsu using (lesser) 1000 Hand Buddha: he may be different to the other 10 000 zetsus but he is still a zetsu, neither is able to use any nature release jutsu. And if Spiral Zetsu was there all along then why didn't obito use him?


2. Madara's Plug-n-Play eye: we saw Kakashi needed a medical nin to help with removing and implanting it, Sasuke was out for some days and had a blindfold, can't say anything about Obito's rinnegan.


3. Madara's Susano'o: It is a dojutsu, it requires not one but two MS eyes, neither kakashi nor Obito have, both itachi's and sasuke's susano's vanished when they lost sight.

4. Sasuke having PS: after getting EMS he spontaneously manifests Complete Susano'o... and then minutes later manifests PS after only hearing about it.

5. Minato having KCM: died a minute after sealing Kurama and was running 10min(assuming) after getting revived so had no time to train plus the time he was sealed doesn't count since neither Hashi nor Tobi knew who he was yet they were sealed together

will post more if I got the energy or you could add yours...

1)spiral zetsu might of been special?
2) madara had hashiramas senjutusu chakra, meaning he absorbed hashiramas medical ninjutsu so hhis body peformed medical ninjutsu by itself
3)madara > narutoverse he defies all logic
4)maybe it was forshadowing how sasuke will get the pS
5)naruto controlled the other half so this automatically counts as minato sealing the other half

done

 

[scorezor]

didn't get the 3rd point and honestly i don't care , go complain to kishi twitter lol.

 

[End of Days]

the only legit BS is madara using susanoo without eyes or rather the only one which no one can give a good explanation for

 

[Umari Senju]

1: Agreed. My answer? To give the Shinobi Alliance something to do XD

2: I can buy it since it all happened off screen. We can just say either Kabuto inplanted the rinnegan for him or he just Sharingan genjutsued some fodder ninja to it for him. My reasoning anyway

3eople on the base will just tell you that since Madara did it every uchiha needs to only activate Susano'o once and you won't need a Sharinagan to do it again...which I agree is BS otherwise Itachi and Sasuke would have done this a long time ago.

4: I am not even sure if it is Perfect Susanoo Sasuke is using. I still think it is Complete Susano'o Version whatever. Until Sasuke manifests a Susano'o the size of Madara's or someone in the manga actually calls it Perfect Susano'o I'm going to say Sasuke does not have it or has not used it yet.

5: This was the biggest annoyance for me. How Minato managed to train the Kyubi Chakra, seal it inside himself inside the Reaper Death Seal notwithstanding, this KCM should have been soley Naruto's power. He is the Kyuubi Jin not Minato it cheapened what made Naruto special big time.

 

[Zorø]

i agree with him

also that's kishi world we live by his rules

me 3rd

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Yes this is Bullshit, how may I help you? (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Uncle Bulgaria soloes another thread.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

So count all the instances were Kishi broke an absolute rule he set previously a.k.a. BS

Lets see how many we can remember(working my was backwards).

1. Spiral Zetsu using (lesser) 1000 Hand Buddha: he may be different to the other 10 000 zetsus but he is still a zetsu, neither is able to use any nature release jutsu. And if Spiral Zetsu was there all along then why didn't obito use him?

We haven't seen yet were he came from or whatever and there's also the possibility that yamato is in there, we have to wait and see to know more.

2. Madara's Plug-n-Play eye: we saw Kakashi needed a medical nin to help with removing and implanting it, Sasuke was out for some days and had a blindfold, can't say anything about Obito's rinnegan.

He has hashirama's instant healing ability.. no medical nin necessary he's his own. With sasuke there was a process going on inside of him to create the EMS and his eyeballs weren't his own either though that didn't matter for kakashi.

3. Madara's Susano'o: It is a dojutsu, it requires not one but two MS eyes, neither kakashi nor Obito have, both itachi's and sasuke's susano's vanished when they lost sight.

itachi was blind when he started using susanoo.. his susanoo only vanished shortly when he started coughing. sasuke got a headache when he got blind and didn't activate susanoo afterwards.
It's not a doujutsu.. you don't see anyone casting it from their eyes.. but it's born together with tsukuyomi and amaterasu like in the myth.. tsukuyomi and amaterasu out of the eyes and susanoo out of the nose.

4. Sasuke having PS: after getting EMS he spontaneously manifests Complete Susano'o... and then minutes later manifests PS after only hearing about it.

Sasuke hasn't shown PS. he heared about madara covering kurama with it and did the same, but there's no rule broken or whatever.

5. Minato having KCM: died a minute after sealing Kurama and was running 10min(assuming) after getting revived so had no time to train plus the time he was sealed doesn't count since neither Hashi nor Tobi knew who he was yet they were sealed together

Minato being a jinchuuriki in the first place i give you.. cause that's still rediculous..

Only explanation i can think of is that naruto had the kyuubi and he just has the other half of kyuubi's chakra if you know what i mean.. and the way he sealed it was like it basically became part of his body and therefor he was revived with it.. But that explanation took a small hit when he started talking to it.

 

[Kαmi]

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Some of these points aren't so bad and may just get an explanation in the future but the only I feel like is legit BS is Susano'o with no eyes as Sasuke grabbed at his eyes while fighting Kakashi and his Susano'o disappeared right afterwards.

Kishi is getting towards the end, I'm not too concerned about mistakes anymore, there's a good bit of them throughout the manga so really, as the gif I posted above says, we just gotta deal with it playa

 

[tochirama]

It's his story besides we are enjoying it.

 

[Kαmi]

We haven't seen yet were he came from or whatever and there's also the possibility that yamato is in there, we have to wait and see to know more.


He has hashirama's instant healing ability.. no medical nin necessary he's his own. With sasuke there was a process going on inside of him to create the EMS and his eyeballs weren't his own either though that didn't matter for kakashi.


itachi was blind when he started using susanoo.. his susanoo only vanished shortly when he started coughing. sasuke got a headache when he got blind and didn't activate susanoo afterwards.
It's not a doujutsu.. you don't see anyone casting it from their eyes.. but it's born together with tsukuyomi and amaterasu like in the myth.. tsukuyomi and amaterasu out of the eyes and susanoo out of the nose.


Sasuke hasn't shown PS. he heared about madara covering kurama with it and did the same, but there's no rule broken or whatever.



Minato being a jinchuuriki in the first place i give you.. cause that's still rediculous..

@bold: Not quite. Whether that's how the myth goes, Susano'o has always been shown as a direct correlation with the eyes. Itachi first used Susano'o against Kirin and has his MS active right before he uses it. His MS fades only after he used Susano'o in the first place and either way, at least Itachi had eyes in his head.

 

[Umari Senju]

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Some of these points aren't so bad and may just get an explanation in the future but the only I feel like is legit BS is Susano'o with no eyes as Sasuke grabbed at his eyes while fighting Kakashi and his Susano'o disappeared right afterwards.

Kishi is getting towards the end, I'm not too concerned about mistakes anymore, there's a good bit of them throughout the manga so really, as the gif I posted above says, we just gotta deal with it playa

While I agree with you overall but the part in bold I am at a disagreement. Just because the end is apporaching is not a legit and viable reason to get sloppy with things you've already established early on in the rest of the story. It is consider bad writting by most authors. But i digress.

These fallacies notwithstanding, The rest of the Manga is okay and as so many of you said we just have to take it for what it is. Still that doesn't mean fans should just stay quiet. If we the fans don't express what it is we disliked or didn't understand how is the author suppose to know what to fix in their next book, manga, movie videogame, etc.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

@bold: Not quite. Whether that's how the myth goes, Susano'o has always been shown as a direct correlation with the eyes. Itachi first used Susano'o against Kirin and has his MS active right before he uses it. His MS fades only after he used Susano'o in the first place and either way, at least Itachi had eyes in his head.

mangekyou is activated by witnessing a traumatic event through the eyes.. that's how susanoo got activated too.. but it's a process in the brain (which is mentioned in the manga), but the witnessing comes in through the eyes. and susanoo isn't cast from the eyes like amaterasu or tsukuyomi.

"and either way, at least Itachi had eyes in his head"

Like Obito didn't have his eye in his eyesocket when he saw rin die right before he awakened MS..
The remote eye usage is a possibility, but not my explanation for this.. i do use it though in my explanation how i think madara escaped dead by using izanagi with one of his own original eyes in his fight with hashirama..

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[chopstickchakra]

So count all the instances were Kishi broke an absolute rule he set previously a.k.a. BS

Lets see how many we can remember(working my was backwards).

1. Spiral Zetsu using (lesser) 1000 Hand Buddha: he may be different to the other 10 000 zetsus but he is still a zetsu, neither is able to use any nature release jutsu. And if Spiral Zetsu was there all along then why didn't obito use him?


2. Madara's Plug-n-Play eye: we saw Kakashi needed a medical nin to help with removing and implanting it, Sasuke was out for some days and had a blindfold, can't say anything about Obito's rinnegan.


3. Madara's Susano'o: It is a dojutsu, it requires not one but two MS eyes, neither kakashi nor Obito have, both itachi's and sasuke's susano's vanished when they lost sight.

4. Sasuke having PS: after getting EMS he spontaneously manifests Complete Susano'o... and then minutes later manifests PS after only hearing about it.

5. Minato having KCM: died a minute after sealing Kurama and was running 10min(assuming) after getting revived so had no time to train plus the time he was sealed doesn't count since neither Hashi nor Tobi knew who he was yet they were sealed together

will post more if I got the energy or you could add yours...

1. All Zetsu can use wood release they have Hashi's DNA.

2. Maybe Madara is just that tough.

3. All that was said was you must posses the eyes, it was never said your eyes need to be open to activate it.

4. Quick learner maybe he applied what he saw and heard in the moment.

5. I agree Minato shouldn't have had Kurama in him even after releasing DDCS or else Oro's arms as well as the 1st and 2nd should have still been in Hiruzen after being released from DDCS.

 

[Umari Senju]

mangekyou is activated by witnessing a traumatic event through the eyes.. that's how susanoo got activated too.. but it's a process in the brain (which is mentioned in the manga), but the witnessing comes in through the eyes. and susanoo isn't cast from the eyes like amaterasu or tsukuyomi.

"and either way, at least Itachi had eyes in his head"

Like Obito didn't have his eye in his eyesocket when he saw rin die right before he awakened MS..
The remote eye usage is a possibility, but not my explanation for this.. i do use it though in my explanation how i think madara escaped dead by using izanagi with one of his own original eyes in his fight with hashirama..

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The part in bold....There is just one flaw in this theory though....If Madara used Izanagi to escape death during his fight with Hashirama, then wouldn't Nagato have had only 1 rinnegan eye? Both of Nagato's eyes were Madara's. The only way I could see this being plausible is if, Like Obito, Madara had spare Sharingans and implanted the blind eye then awakened the Rinnegan. But wouldn't that still not work as one eye would be EMS and the other eye would need to 1st be MS then he would need to obtain EMS for the new eye...unless the original eye's abilities transfer over to the new eye....

...See, there are too many inconsistancies with this that in itself. But mabe Kishi can come up with a better explanation though I guess it is a little too late to get into that anymore.