Hyuuga: Taoist Objection to the Sage

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Can the Hokage bring peace to the world as the leader of one specific village? Or will that simply promote an environment of favoritism?

Funny thing you of all people mention favouritism Lol

Anyway, Naruto is going to become Hokage. I think you might be forgetting that Naruto is Shonen manga, published in no other than Weekly Shonen Jump.
As much as we would like him to, Kishimoto will likely not deviate from the regular Shonen ending where Hero finally accomplishes his goals, which mind you were stated back in chapters 1 2 & 3. Naruto is bound to become Hokage, even though I agree with that it would be a better ending if Naruto became like Jiraya, travelling the world, ensuring peace lasts as long as possible.

No, I wouldn't. I never said that Kishimoto would do anything. Nor do I fully expect him to explain the origins of the Hyuuga.

Then what is the point of arguing with me ? I said the exact same thing. Senju and Uchiha are the main players, possibly Uzumaki. If Sir Derp's theories come true that is.
Hyuga are not special, they are just like Sarutobi, Nara, and all the other Ninja clans in Konoha.

Why bother to kill off Neji while saving Hinata?
What kind of a question is that ? Someone had to die eventually, it's war. It would make absolutely no sense to kill both Neji and Hinata. Too bad Neji died though :(

Why bother to spare Hinata at the hands of Pain?
I'm pretty sure everyone was spared in the Pain invasion... Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though.

Why involve the Hyuuga in plot-shifting events that no other clan has played such an intrinsic role in (spare for the Senju, Uzumaki, and Uchiha - who seem to be at the center of everything)?

Hyuga as a clan were relevant to the plot once. And that was Chunin exams. As I said, if they were ever to be expanded upon it would of have had started there.

The Hyuuga continue to play a pivotal, but uncelebrated role in shaping the course of events. Who has been by involved in every major character-developing stage of Naruto since the mission to Wave? Hinata. Out of nowhere - Hinata streams in and keeps Naruto on the right path.

This is where playing favourites comes into play Lol
Neji was relevant to the plot three times.
Hinata was relevant to the plot three times.

1. For both - Chunin exam. It once again proved to show Naruto's determination and will to change things once he becomes Hokage.
2. Neji - Sasuke retrieval arc. You can barely count it, but it is relevant to the plot...
3. Hinata - Pain Arc - Used as a plot device to finally release all the anger Naruto has built up.
4. For Both - When Neji died and Hinata stopped Naruto from giving up.

It still doesn't change the fact that the clan itself was only relevant during Chunin exams.

And when you think about it, Lee, Shikamaru, Ino, Chouji, Sai, are all part of the same group of characters and they had just as much, if not more impact on the plot then either Neji or Hinata. You are being very selective and not looking at the bigger picture.

You obviously don't pay much attention to what others write.

Please enlighten me then, what was the point of you bringing anything pairing related at all into the discussion ?
Unless that was supposed to be a joke, in which case; Sorry, I didn't get it.
 

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Funny thing you of all people mention favouritism Lol

I would be deluded if I believed myself impervious to bias.

Anyway, Naruto is going to become Hokage. I think you might be forgetting that Naruto is Shonen manga, published in no other than Weekly Shonen Jump.
As much as we would like him to, Kishimoto will likely not deviate from the regular Shonen ending where Hero finally accomplishes his goals, which mind you were stated back in chapters 1 2 & 3. Naruto is bound to become Hokage, even though I agree with that it would be a better ending if Naruto became like Jiraya, travelling the world, ensuring peace lasts as long as possible.

Perspective is key.

Shoen Manga don't always play out as straight forward as the format would imply. Desires and ambitions are often satisfied in atypical, even convoluted ways.

Further - Naruto's dream has evolved from Part 1. Hokage was a position of respect that an attention-starved Naruto desired. But his role was bigger than that, and his dreams have expanded from simply being recognized by the leaf (and bringing peace/safety to his friends) to bringing peace and stability to the entire world.

Logically speaking - any outcome that satisfies Naruto's desire to be respected and his dream to bring peace to all is consistent with the Shoen format.

Assuming there is a Shoen format. I haven't read enough Shoen manga to establish that there is such a pattern, given that the 'magazine' is a phone book of publications each week (with many releases not being regular weekly installments).

Then what is the point of arguing with me ? I said the exact same thing. Senju and Uchiha are the main players, possibly Uzumaki. If Sir Derp's theories come true that is.
Hyuga are not special, they are just like Sarutobi, Nara, and all the other Ninja clans in Konoha.

Conflict requires necessity?

The Hyuuga are just like the other clans? Perhaps. But where and how did those clans come into being? How did the chakra get from the God Tree to Fodder # 15783 who just had it stolen back (for him to die, presumably)?

What kind of a question is that ? Someone had to die eventually, it's war. It would make absolutely no sense to kill both Neji and Hinata. Too bad Neji died though :(

You want to argue Kishimoto's intent above, but now want to argue "it is war."

It is a story of Kishimoto's design. Why would Kishimoto select Neji to die? Sai is quite disposable yet one who could elicit the same emotional response from Naruto.

I'm pretty sure everyone was spared in the Pain invasion... Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though.

And yet we had Hinata's dramatic scene.

The side-character re-emerges to play a direct role in shaping Naruto's resolve to end the cycle of hatred.

Hyuga as a clan were relevant to the plot once. And that was Chunin exams. As I said, if they were ever to be expanded upon it would of have had started there.

Just like if Danzo was important, he would have been expanded upon in Part 1. Or maybe at the beginning of Part 2. His character was introduced, explained, made a few appearances.... then became a central part of the plot some 200 chapters after we last saw him.

Or Kabuto. If he were important, he would have been shown as much more than a lap dog to Orochimaru all through part 1.

The reality is that a lot of characters and subjects have gone 'dormant' within the story of Naruto for a very long time, only to spring up as critical points later.

Your argument makes as much sense as: "Well, if Madara were important, we would have heard more about him by now."

This is where playing favourites comes into play Lol
Neji was relevant to the plot three times.
Hinata was relevant to the plot three times.

1. For both - Chunin exam. It once again proved to show Naruto's determination and will to change things once he becomes Hokage.
2. Neji - Sasuke retrieval arc. You can barely count it, but it is relevant to the plot...
3. Hinata - Pain Arc - Used as a plot device to finally release all the anger Naruto has built up.
4. For Both - When Neji died and Hinata stopped Naruto from giving up.

Now if we could do that with Kiba...

Selecting another Hyuuga member hardly cements your argument against the Hyuuga being relevant. Neji's destiny was to protect the Head Branch - as he did. Hinata's destiny was shared with Naruto's.

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There is blatant imagery, here.

Why have Hinata's injuries act up when Naruto's dream is in jeopardy?

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BLATANT linking of Naruto and Hinata.

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It was stated in black and white back in Part One - and has been a recurring theme since.

Neji could see that Naruto and Hinata shared the same destiny - though he could not see what that destiny was, he merely assumed it was to be a failure.

It still doesn't change the fact that the clan itself was only relevant during Chunin exams.

And when you think about it, Lee, Shikamaru, Ino, Chouji, Sai, are all part of the same group of characters and they had just as much, if not more impact on the plot then either Neji or Hinata. You are being very selective and not looking at the bigger picture.

No other case has such strong imagery or track record.

We can predict, using my theory, when Hinata will be given panel time and generally what it will consist of. In our most recent chapters - she is seen collapsing as Naruto's heart stops. That is not merely shock - that is also imagery. The effort to include her was part of the imagery established during the Chuunin Exams and hinted at in the concept art for Hinata:

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Hinata can be seen, vaguely standing in the shadow of a hill that Naruto sits upon. A classic depiction of Yin and Yang is that of sun shining on a hill - Yin being the shadow created by Yang while Yang is defined by the boundaries of Yin. All of which is in a constant state of change.

Please enlighten me then, what was the point of you bringing anything pairing related at all into the discussion ?
Unless that was supposed to be a joke, in which case; Sorry, I didn't get it.

It was an example of the course of discussion that generally occurs on the base and the types of threads that are created.
 

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Y u bump.
Like the theory but God tree is manga filler.
It's not canon because not having chakra means death.
 

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Nice theory. Dattebayo!
 

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Does this mean she powers up when Naruto does also?
 

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Does this mean she powers up when Naruto does also?

It means, quite simply, that the Hyuuga are descendants of the Moon Rabbit - or the Goddess Kaguya.

Hinata will eat (or otherwise become involved with) the fruit of the God Tree. Though she will not consume it out of a quest for power, it will be out of the destiny shared with Naruto - to bring peace. The God tree's anger at Kaguya must be quelled.

Plot wise. Madara, for whatever reason, seems to ignore the Hyuuga entirely. A one Hinata will most probably see the fruit blossom, realize its importance to Madara, and be the Wu that stifles Wei... then becomes a goddess that didn't care to be a goddess. Her lack of desire to use the power she has will nullify the power.

These are some interesting probes into the paradoxial nature of Taoism where Wu and Wei (Yin and Yang) are both distinct from each other but only in perspective. Just as Quantum Mechanics has Particle-Wave duality, Philosophy has Yin-Yang duality.
 

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It means, quite simply, that the Hyuuga are descendants of the Moon Rabbit - or the Goddess Kaguya.

Hinata will eat (or otherwise become involved with) the fruit of the God Tree. Though she will not consume it out of a quest for power, it will be out of the destiny shared with Naruto - to bring peace. The God tree's anger at Kaguya must be quelled.

Plot wise. Madara, for whatever reason, seems to ignore the Hyuuga entirely. A one Hinata will most probably see the fruit blossom, realize its importance to Madara, and be the Wu that stifles Wei... then becomes a goddess that didn't care to be a goddess. Her lack of desire to use the power she has will nullify the power.

These are some interesting probes into the paradoxial nature of Taoism where Wu and Wei (Yin and Yang) are both distinct from each other but only in perspective. Just as Quantum Mechanics has Particle-Wave duality, Philosophy has Yin-Yang duality.

Cool! Could you make more theories, I'm more interested to hear from you
 

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Splendid job sir! =D

Thank you.

In this specific rendition of the theory, I was a bit off. I was leery of saying Kaguya had -the- Byakugan. Even when we first saw the depictions of her with the white eyes... I was not comfortable saying that she had the Byakugan because there's obvious problems, there.

I do think that many of the most recent theories are wrong in their assumption that the Hyuuga stem from the Sage's brother. The Sage's brother will likely fill the final arc (and I suspect Jashinism, if for no other reason than I find it interesting).

Kaguya had the Byakugan as it belonged to the Ototsuki - the 'Moon People' (or sky people... whatever we want to call them). The sharingan she possesses (which I did not quite see coming - but I suppose should have) seems to be beyond the simple 'three tomoe' variety found in most Uchiha - which I contend suggests it was her literal inheritance of the eye of the Juubi.

This fits in with the merging of Taoist philosophies and the Shinto religions. Interestingly, the Uzumaki would be the shamans who tended the God Tree.

This would later merge with ideas such as Buddhism, represented by Hagoromo - the kimono of Buddhist angels.

And Hinduism - which would seem to be represented by the Senju. Though I'm lacking in my research on that end.

The thing I keep trying to figure out is precisely how the Ototsuki became the Hyuuga. There's a story there that I suspect will come into play. Perhaps it will be as simple as recycling the relationship of the Senju and Uchiha... but I somewhat doubt this will be the case.

It could also be as mundane as "names change over time" - but I'm suspecting there was an event tied to the name change that we'll get briefed on, in due time.
 
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