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No actually that meant that neji was a genius. Because you see not everyone CAN learn those techniques.. otherwise Hinata would've been way above Neji.....

No, the manga doesn't show us any Hyuga that has failed to learn gentle fist. You contradicted yourself in the sense that you called Neji a genius. Then you say Hinata would have been stronger than Neji if she learnt the Hyuga's Jutsu. Obviously a genius who learns a jutsu will be stronger than a non-genius who learns the same jutsu. Yes, Hinata was a slow learner but she did pick it up and she did learn the technique. There were a lot of Hyuga's fighting in the war and doing wall palms and stuff. The fact that everyone is born with the Byakugan and it's abilities suggests that everyone can learn the technique, just some will be better than others, just like what TheMist said.
 

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I don't give a shit if they are oppresed or not-the uchihas are still far greater than the hyuugas for the reasons I stated.

Again,all you've shown is that Uchiha > Opressed Hyuga. Whether you care about the argument or not doesn't change the fact.
As for your other reason. I ask how diversity of the Uchiha = Uchiha > Hyuga
 

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Again,all you've shown is that Uchiha > Opressed Hyuga. Whether you care about the argument or not doesn't change the fact.
As for your other reason. I ask how diversity of the Uchiha = Uchiha > Hyuga

It's quite simple-given how diverse the 4 uchihas we have seen are(I am not even counting MS-only looking at their skills up to the 3 tomoe level) it's only logical that all uchihas have a vast variety of skills.(although everyone uses fire style) which is extremely valuable in a war zone-which is why only the uchihas were even able to compete against the senju clan-the senjus were know as "the clan with a thousand skills".
 

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A few facts concerning Hyuugas abilities.


a. Not everyone in the clan can use rotation. Rotation is a high level technique for this clan. I would say it's as rare as an MS user.

b. Neji, Hiashi, Hinata are the strongest members of known Hyuuga. To assume they are all on this level is blashphemy.

c. Air palm isn't doing anything against Enton or Amaterasu. What Nagato used was the deva path controlling gravity itself. Air palm isn't pushing enton or amaterasu. Instead it will only make the fire grow stronger. Even if they emitt the chakra from their body that won't push Amaterasu away. Again deva control gravity and the mass of an object. It's two different things.

d. Senju and Uchiha were already stated the strongest.

e. The strongest Uchihas can solo the whole Hyuuga clan.
 

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It's quite simple-given how diverse the 4 uchihas we have seen are(I am not even counting MS-only looking at their skills up to the 3 tomoe level) it's only logical that all uchihas have a vast variety of skills.(although everyone uses fire style) which is extremely valuable in a war zone-which is why only the uchihas were even able to compete against the senju clan-the senjus were know as "the clan with a thousand skills".

100% valid and correct argument. I agree entirely with diversity being valuable in the battlefield but it is not enough to prove that Hyuga loses.
 

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Byakugan > 3T Sharingan...so I agree with your thread
 

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Byakugan > 3T Sharingan...so I agree with your thread

What is this cancer spreading around the base. Byakugan only grants few abilities while the rest of their arsenal including Gentle fist,rotation and air palm revolve around the users skill. Byakugan is actually a more of a support dojutsu than a battle one. 3 tomoe allows you to predict movements, cast high level genjutsu, copy abilities and overall a better observer in battle.
 

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1)Hyuga can instantly tell when they're in a weak genjutsu and break the weak genjutsu instantly. There really isn't enough time. Only Minato would make it in time.
2) I said that they'd push it away. They do have excellent sensory feats.
3) There are this numbers in blocks next to facts called citations. Those citations show you where the fact comes from. A person need only click on the citation and see where the fact comes from. A person can then read that chapter or watch that episode. Yes random people can post, but they have to post with evidence for the less obvious facts. Kind of like how we are random people debating this thing. That doesn't mean that what we say is automatically wrong. You can check up on the facts yourself. Anyway,if you watched Naruto Episode Shipuden episode 293, she uses Mystical Palm technique to heal someone. I think it's an Anime only fact.

1) No, all the main Uchiha have speed feats that can blitz the Hyuuga.
2) They would have to continously use Air Palm throughout the duration of the fight and an Uchiha wouldn't just spam amaterasu if they saw it wasn't working.
3) But fillers are not facts considering they have nothing to do with Kishi. The only filler that involved Kishi was RTN and that was actually a movie, it wasn't even an episode. U_U



1. Vacuum Palm isn't the spinning technique
2. The Hyuga are quick but even if they weren't, according to the wiki, it's sensory abilities that are required to dodge the attacks.
3. They'll push it away
4. Finger genjutsu is very weak and a Hyuga can easily snap out
5. If they're med-long, the Hyuga can dodge even easier.
6. Even if that were true, blocking off just one specific chakra channel by the heart is fatal.
7. The Hyuga abilities are not known to put a strain on chakra abilites. Whereas, Sharingan abilites are. Itachi and Sasuke were exhausted after a very short fight, whereas Hinata, who had her byakugan activated in the fight against Obito, which was hepening at the same time, didn't look the least bit tired.
8.They can keep it up. Neji has been shown to counter kinjutsu consecutively using rotation, which doesn't take as long as you think it does.
9.The Rock Lee screen proved that predicting movements is useless if your opponent is better at taijutsu. The Byakugan has more insight than the Sharingan.

Again, the manga was comparing an opressed Hyuga against the Uchiha.

1) Yes, I realize that. I just mentioned the spinning technique because I thought it would be a better counter for amaterasu. But neither that nor Air Palm are counters that would last throughout the duration of a fight.
2) They aren't dodging susanno arrows, yasaka magatama, totsuka blade, amaterasu, etc.
3) No, not really. An Uchiha would just wait until they stopped, look at them, and then it would spawn on them.
4) It is a weaker form, but they wouldn't instantly snap out of it, it would take a few seconds and they would get blitzed.
5) Once again, they are not dodging amaterasu, susanno arrows, or Yasaka Magatama
6) Ok. Just like amaterasu burning you for too long, getting sliced by Totsuka, getting hit by susanno arrows/yasaka magatama is fatal
7) She was shown to be exhausted early in the war and had to turn off her byakugan while fighting those Zetsus and Naruto had to save her. She's also exhausted now, she even fainted. All the main Uchiha bar Itachi have better stamina than the Hyuuga we have seen
8) But for the entire fight and block other attacks coming at them? I doubt it.
9) Not necessarily. Sasuke at that point in time wasn't familiar with taijutsu very much and couldn't keep his sharingan entirely on Lee. That and Lee's moveset was quite unpredictable to Sasuke at the time. Lee isn't the best example though, considering that the Hyuuga's method of taijutsu greatly differs from his.
 

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What is this cancer spreading around the base. Byakugan only grants few abilities while the rest of their arsenal including Gentle fist,rotation and air palm revolve around the users skill. Byakugan is actually a more of a support dojutsu than a battle one. 3 tomoe allows you to predict movements, cast high level genjutsu, copy abilities and overall a better observer in battle.

Kaguya was shown to have the Byakugan, that's what.
 

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Kaguya was shown to have the Byakugan, that's what.

So naive. The strongest shown were Hiashi, Neji and Hinata. Sasuke can rape all 3 at the same time but somehow Hyuuga > Uchiha. lol
 

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A few facts concerning Hyuugas abilities.


a. Not everyone in the clan can use rotation. Rotation is a high level technique for this clan. I would say it's as rare as an MS user.

b. Neji, Hiashi, Hinata are the strongest members of known Hyuuga. To assume they are all on this level is blashphemy.

c. Air palm isn't doing anything against Enton or Amaterasu. What Nagato used was the deva path controlling gravity itself. Air palm isn't pushing enton or amaterasu. Instead it will only make the fire grow stronger. Even if they emitt the chakra from their body that won't push Amaterasu away. Again deva control gravity and the mass of an object. It's two different things.

d. Senju and Uchiha were already stated the strongest.

e. The strongest Uchihas can solo the whole Hyuuga clan.

1. In my argument, I only used rotation as a justu for countering kinjutsu. Nowhere else. So it doesn't really matter if only a few can use it because a vacuum palm can counter kinjutsu just as well.

2. We've listed Hiashi's feats and a databook value

3. Shinra Tensei or Almighty Push is a pushing force. Vacuum Palm is a pushing force. Let's assume the user is controlling gravity, this has no tie to Amaterasu. It's not the gravity property, but the pushing property that negates Amaterasu. In other words, even if you use a different method, as long as apply a hard enough push, you can negate Amaterasu. Shinra Tensei could probably also push the Ten-Tails arm, that doesn't mean the Ten-Tails arm can only be pushed through gravity based technique. More than one force exists.

4. Again, analyze the context. The branch family was opressed.

5. Proof. Remember, we're not considering Hashirama's cells.
 

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What is this cancer spreading around the base. Byakugan only grants few abilities while the rest of their arsenal including Gentle fist,rotation and air palm revolve around the users skill. Byakugan is actually a more of a support dojutsu than a battle one. 3 tomoe allows you to predict movements, cast high level genjutsu, copy abilities and overall a better observer in battle.

1) Byakugan can also predict stuff
2) We've negated Genjutsu already
3) The Sharingan is unable to copy Hyuga abilities
 

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So naive. The strongest shown were Hiashi, Neji and Hinata. Sasuke can rape all 3 at the same time but somehow Hyuuga > Uchiha. lol

Yeah, pretty much. I'm pretty sure that the main 4 Uchihas could even take down the entire clan by themselves. Lol
 

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1. In my argument, I only used rotation as a justu for countering kinjutsu. Nowhere else. So it doesn't really matter if only a few can use it because a vacuum palm can counter kinjutsu just as well.

2. We've listed Hiashi's feats and a databook value

3. Shinra Tensei or Almighty Push is a pushing force. Vacuum Palm is a pushing force. Let's assume the user is controlling gravity, this has no tie to Amaterasu. It's not the gravity property, but the pushing property that negates Amaterasu. In other words, even if you use a different method, as long as apply a hard enough push, you can negate Amaterasu. Shinra Tensei could probably also push the Ten-Tails arm, that doesn't mean the Ten-Tails arm can only be pushed through gravity based technique. More than one force exists.

4. Again, analyze the context. The branch family was opressed.

5. Proof. Remember, we're not considering Hashirama's cells.


1. Why would any Uchiha be dum enough to engage a Hyuuga in close combat? they were a genius clan not a stupid one. Vaccum palm is a linear attack that would only waste chakra. Spamming one technique or two techs that isn't even that good isn't going to kill of a clan that is canonically the strongest.

2. Again who are the strongest members of Uchiha and the strongest of Hyuuga. your ignorance is astounding. Put up the strongest Uchiha against the strongest Hyuuga. Madara vs. Hiashi LOLLOLOL. Madara can solo the whole clan by feats. I'm just gonna assume you will run around this because we all know there is no argument that will ever present itself that Madara couldn't just stomp this whole clan by himself let alone all the Uchihas.

3. NO no no. Deva path controls gravity. Don't forget amaterasu is fire. What happens when air connects with fire, it only makes it stronger. Have you ever seen anyone physically push fire away. Don't even bother retorting this. You are wrong plain as day.

4. LOL doesn't matter that is only your opinion supported by nothing but your opinion. Nowhere does it say the Hyuuga were oppressed that's why they were weaker. Gtfo, with these assumptions.

5. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL no dah.
 

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1) No, all the main Uchiha have speed feats that can blitz the Hyuuga.
2) They would have to continously use Air Palm throughout the duration of the fight and an Uchiha wouldn't just spam amaterasu if they saw it wasn't working.
3) But fillers are not facts considering they have nothing to do with Kishi. The only filler that involved Kishi was RTN and that was actually a movie, it wasn't even an episode. U_U





1) Yes, I realize that. I just mentioned the spinning technique because I thought it would be a better counter for amaterasu. But neither that nor Air Palm are counters that would last throughout the duration of a fight.
2) They aren't dodging susanno arrows, yasaka magatama, totsuka blade, amaterasu, etc.
3) No, not really. An Uchiha would just wait until they stopped, look at them, and then it would spawn on them.
4) It is a weaker form, but they wouldn't instantly snap out of it, it would take a few seconds and they would get blitzed.
5) Once again, they are not dodging amaterasu, susanno arrows, or Yasaka Magatama
6) Ok. Just like amaterasu burning you for too long, getting sliced by Totsuka, getting hit by susanno arrows/yasaka magatama is fatal
7) She was shown to be exhausted early in the war and had to turn off her byakugan while fighting those Zetsus and Naruto had to save her. She's also exhausted now, she even fainted. All the main Uchiha bar Itachi have better stamina than the Hyuuga we have seen
8) But for the entire fight and block other attacks coming at them? I doubt it.
9) Not necessarily. Sasuke at that point in time wasn't familiar with taijutsu very much and couldn't keep his sharingan entirely on Lee. That and Lee's moveset was quite unpredictable to Sasuke at the time. Lee isn't the best example though, considering that the Hyuuga's method of taijutsu greatly differs from his.

1) Air palm can last. Hiashi used a massive one on the Ten-Tails and wasn't tired. Again, Sharingan techniques are known for their high chakra consumption whereas Byakugan techniques are not. In fact they consume the opponent's chakra.
2) You haven't proven that Airpalm doesn't work against Amaterasu. So far, Susano'o abilities are the only ones that Hyuga's can't conter.
3) Air palm is a high speed technique. What do you mean wait until they've stopped. This isn't rotation.
4) A few seconds is pushing it. But I guess there's very little evidence to show how long they would take. It's an argument that I doubt either side can win.
5)Refer to 2)
6) You haven't refuted the argument. That is the reply for 2) or 5). The point of argument 6) was superior taijutsu
7) It's this magical thing called Hashirama's cells. I already compared Hinata to the Sasuke v Itachi fight. Hinata was active for just as long. No fatigue. During the war, she was on overkill by the way. 2 days of fighting and she only faints now. An Uchiha without cells wouldn't last that long
8) I don't think that there's an unlimited amount of weapons anyway. Again, Hyuga techniques don't have high chakra consumption.
9) No, Sasuke was familiar with Naruto's taijutsu at the Valley of the End. Until he activated 3T, he couldn't keep up. Familiarity isn't really the problem. Yes their method is different. The method of taijutsu doesn't change the fact that seeing something doesn't mean reacting in time if taijustu is inferior. That holds true for both scenarios.
 

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1. Why would any Uchiha be dum enough to engage a Hyuuga in close combat? they were a genius clan not a stupid one. Vaccum palm is a linear attack that would only waste chakra. Spamming one technique or two techs that isn't even that good isn't going to kill of a clan that is canonically the strongest.

2. Again who are the strongest members of Uchiha and the strongest of Hyuuga. your ignorance is astounding. Put up the strongest Uchiha against the strongest Hyuuga. Madara vs. Hiashi LOLLOLOL. Madara can solo the whole clan by feats. I'm just gonna assume you will run around this because we all know there is no argument that will ever present itself that Madara couldn't just stomp this whole clan by himself let alone all the Uchihas.

3. NO no no. Deva path controls gravity. Don't forget amaterasu is fire. What happens when air connects with fire, it only makes it stronger. Have you ever seen anyone physically push fire away. Don't even bother retorting this. You are wrong plain as day.

4. LOL doesn't matter that is only your opinion supported by nothing but your opinion. Nowhere does it say the Hyuuga were oppressed that's why they were weaker. Gtfo, with these assumptions.

5. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL no dah.

1. That doesn't disprove the argument that everyone can use vacuum palm. That was the argument
2. If we disregard Hashirama skills, Madara isn't alive.
3. By your logic, water can put Amaterasu out. Which isn't true. And we don't know what affinity the Hyuga's are anyway. What makes you think it's a wind affinity technique?
4. It does say that the clan didn't teach the branch family many of the Hyuga secrets and techniques
5. You laughed at it, but your second point was based on it.
 

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Yeah, pretty much. I'm pretty sure that the main 4 Uchihas could even take down the entire clan by themselves. Lol

Hmm, we can't consider Hashirama cells which is what 3/4 currently have by the way.
Uchiha + Curse Mark Senjustu + Senju cells > Hyuuga.
You are successfully proving this
 

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I guess with all thing considered, the only downfall of the Hyuga is a lack of counter for Susano'o. But the fact that the Hyuga can even compare to the Uchiha without any of the family secrets revealed is a wonderful feat. MS Sharingan Uchiha > Hyuga as long as the activate Susano'o. But otherwise, fodder Hyuga > fodder Uchiha. So technically, there are only two applicable cases where Uchiha > Hyuga according to what has been said so far in this thread.
 

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Yeah, it's pretty much canon that Uchiha>Hyuuga.
Any of the 4 main Uchihas could solo the entire clan.
Madara> Entire Hyuuga Clan
Obito>Entire Hyuuga Clan
Sasuke>Entire Hyuuga Clan
Itachi> Entire Hyuuga Clan
 
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