[Discussion] Hyuga Clan: Direct Descendants of the SO6P

[Griffith]

You didn't say which clan you were talking about. What you are saying now wasn't shown in part 1 so when Kakashi said in part 1 that the Hyuga were the oldest clan in Konoha that was almost a fact at the time but then Kishi changed this.

As he made the Uchiha and Senju founding clans of Konoha in part 2.

then kishi just said this just for shits and giggles then?

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[Akx19]

That would be interesting and explain the first son's eyes. I just don't think that Hyuga came from the Sage's bloodline in the same manner the Uchiha did, especially with their lack of background and not being said to be able to read the stone tablet.

Well thats kind of agreeing with me. The uchiha came from the sage as a direct descendant. But If I'm right and the sage was an Uzumaki and the mom was a Hyuuga, then that makes the Hyuuga NOT from the sages bloodline. They were of their own origin. But mixed with the Sage/Uzumaki came more powerful clans. The Uchiha and Senju.

 

[TimeMask]

then kishi just said this just for shits and giggles then?

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Yeah Kishi changed what Kakashi said about the Hyuga being the oldest clan in Konoha since the Hyuga are just one of the oldest clans along with clans like Uchiha clan. Unless Kishi worded wrong what Kakashi said.

Also what Kakashi said about Uchiha coming from the Hyuga is just a rumor unless Kishi shows it to be true.

 

[VongolaX]

It's like ppl don't wanna except the truth anymore.
i see it all the time Uzamaki> Senju & Byukagan> Uchiha. o_0
what is this nonsense

 

[Griffith]

Well thats kind of agreeing with me. The uchiha came from the sage as a direct descendant. But If I'm right and the sage was an Uzumaki and the mom was a Hyuuga, then that makes the Hyuuga NOT from the sages bloodline. They were of their own origin. But mixed with the Sage/Uzumaki came more powerful clans. The Uchiha and Senju.

I think the elder son's doujutsu is a mixture of the Juubi's eye (from his father) and the Hyuga's eyes (from his mother)...strange how they resemble a whirlpool.

 

[Griffith]

It's like ppl don't wanna except the truth anymore.
i see it all the time Uzamaki> Senju & Byukagan> Uchiha. o_0
what is this nonsense

I wouldn't say all that...this is a question on lineage not raw power.

 

[Griffith]

Yeah Kishi changed what Kakashi said about the Hyuga being the oldest clan in Konoha since the Hyuga are just one of the oldest clans along with clans like Uchiha clan. Unless Kishi worded wrong what Kakashi said.

Also what Kakashi said about Uchiha coming from the Hyuga is just a rumor unless Kishi shows it to be true.

when did he change his mind? he has never called any clan the oldest other than the hyuga.

 

[VongolaX]

I wouldn't say all that...this is a question on lineage not raw power.

It was being implied, most ppl take the wrong in threads and form there own bullshit thread

 

[Akx19]

It's like ppl don't wanna except the truth anymore.
i see it all the time Uzamaki> Senju & Byukagan> Uchiha. o_0
what is this nonsense

If you accept what the manga says blindly, then before Tobi's reveal he really was Madara. But we know now that's nonsense because it has been explained. The Uzumaki and Hyuuga clans are shrouded in mystery, and to assume you know was is true and whats not is a mistake. I think its rather suspicious that we have hardly gotten any history on the clan of the MAIN CHARACTER. And I think it's safe to "assume" that we will get much more clarification of it's origins in chapters to come.

 

[Griffith]

It was being implied, most ppl take the wrong in threads and form there own bullshit thread

i could see the uzumaki being stronger than the senju b/c of their sealing justu...but theres not enough evidence to say hyuga are definitively stronger than uchiha. MS and EMS are op as hell

 

[Akx19]

i could see the uzumaki being stronger than the senju b/c of their sealing justu...but theres not enough evidence to say hyuga are definitively stronger than uchiha. MS and EMS are op as hell

I think both uzumaki and hyuuga could be weaker than the senju and uchiha. This assumption based off my earlier comments. If the Uzumaki and Hyuuga were of separate origin, then wouldn't the mix of the two be stronger? Similar to how Senju and Uchiha mixing together makes them stronger, not diluted.

 

[Griffith]

I think both uzumaki and hyuuga could be weaker than the senju and uchiha. This assumption based off my earlier comments. If the Uzumaki and Hyuuga were of separate origin, then wouldn't the mix of the two be stronger? Similar to how Senju and Uchiha mixing together makes them stronger, not diluted.

Yin and Yang. Which is reoccurring theme with the Hyuga clan I might add. But i doubt the uzumaki are 'weaker' because they have the body to become perfect Bijuu hosts and they can seal anything into damnation. But i think the eldest son retained a lot of the Juubi's characteristics while the younger son retained his father's energy and life force.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

No. Just no. A few points

The "oldest" clan title was given to them because the Uchiha and Senju were basically nonexistent at the time. The Senju and the Uchiha are the oldest clans of Leaf village because they were the founding clans.

The assumption that the Uchiha came from the Hyuga was just that, an assumption. If the Hyuga were descendants from the Sage like you say, then the Byakugan would be able to read the stone tablet that the sharingan and rinnegan can read. The Byakugan has not been stated or hinted that it can read the tablet. Something that eyes descended from the Sage should be able to do.

The Hyuga are in no way more peaceful than the Uchiha. The Hyuga allow only the first born of the main family to live peacefully. That means that one person from each generation, maybe two or three people at a time are the main family and do not have the curse seal on their heads. If the branch family, the mass majority of the clan, step out of line, then they can be put to death without hesitation. The Hyuga are ferocious within their family, more so than the Uchiha in terms of strict adherence.

The Hyuga may be descendant of the Sage but they are not closer than the Senju, Uchiha, or the Uzumaki. There has been no statements to the Hyuga being part of the sage lineage, and we are nearing the end of the manga. It is highly unlikely.

If I remember correctly the Senju and Uzumaki clans had alliances with other clans, the Uchiha and Senju lead the alliances...so if that's the case then the Hyuga could still be the oldest clan...just not the leading clan: not the founding clan!

Another way of looking is that the Hyuga came to Konoha later than the Uchiha & Senju, but it could still be a clan from before the other two were founded. When Kakashi said that the Hyuga were the oldest clan in Konoha it may not have been based on the first clans to join and form Konoha, but simply the oldest clan in terms of clan age (the oldest clan that resides in Konoha not the oldest clan OF Konoha)!

 

[TimeMask]

when did he change his mind? he has never called any clan the oldest other than the hyuga.

Kishi somewhat changed his mind as Kakashi in part 1 said Hyuga clan was the oldest clan in Konoha but this is now false since in part 2 Obito said Uchiha and Senju clans are founding clans in Konoha.

So the Hyuga clan is not the oldest clan in Konoha, its just one of the oldest clans. If the Hyuga clan was the oldest clan in Konoha then that would mean its older then the Uchiha and Senju clans.

Or Kishi just didn't word what Kakashi said properly.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Well thats kind of agreeing with me. The uchiha came from the sage as a direct descendant. But If I'm right and the sage was an Uzumaki and the mom was a Hyuuga, then that makes the Hyuuga NOT from the sages bloodline. They were of their own origin. But mixed with the Sage/Uzumaki came more powerful clans. The Uchiha and Senju.

Oh ok. Tbh we probably will never know. It is most likely that the Hyuga are just completely separate, but it would be cool if it was as you think.

@lion fang master: What? Why call me out and say something rather random. Like I said before, the statement that the Hyuga and Uchiha are related was just an assumption/myth. The similarities between their abilities stop at being able to see chakra. It is fun to speculate possible connections between the clans however.

 

[Griffith]

If I remember correctly the Senju and Uzumaki clans had alliances with other clans, the Uchiha and Senju lead the alliances...so if that's the case then the Hyuga could still be the oldest clan...just not the leading clan: not the founding clan!

Another way of looking is that the Hyuga came to Konoha later than the Uchiha & Senju, but it could still be a clan from before the other two were founded. When Kakashi said that the Hyuga were the oldest clan in Konoha it may not have been based on the first clans to join and form Konoha, but simply the oldest clan in terms of clan age (the oldest clan that resides in Konoha not the oldest clan OF Konoha)!

^^^ Thissss ! Just because they founded the village doesn't mean their the oldest clans...thats just a misconception. The Hyuga were stated in part one to be the oldest bloodline in the Leaf. Now whether or not Kakashi meant currently or in general..remains to be seen. But we cant rule out that the Hyuga aren't the oldest clan just because they didn't help start the village.

 

[Sexy Steel]

Let the "S06P was originally hyuga and nothing else" theories begin.

 

[Griffith]

Let the "S06P was originally hyuga and nothing else" theories begin.

Noone said that. If SO6P belonged to any clan it would probably be Uzumaki. Hence this:

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[Sexy Steel]

Noone said that. If SO6P belonged to any clan it would probably be Uzumaki. Hence this:

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just an overstatement, nothing big

 

[Griffith]

just an overstatement, nothing big

my bad..didnt detect the sarcasm lol