[Theory] Hypothesizing future power-ups (NS) and Debunking the Elder-Younger Son Parallel

[Zaiigoukyou]

I have to disagree with part of your theory. You said naruto and sasuke are notb descendants of the sages sons but it clearly states in the manga that uzamakis are cousins to the senjus and the senjus are a direct descendant of the younger son. It also clearly states that the uchiha are descendants of the elder son. Also I seriously doubt naruto will get the rinnegan. The only reason why nagato had it was because it was transplanted into him by obito. You need uchiha and senju dna to get it. Naruto does not have either.

 

[Transcendence]

I have to disagree with part of your theory. You said naruto and sasuke are notb descendants of the sages sons but it clearly states in the manga that uzamakis are cousins to the senjus and the senjus are a direct descendant of the younger son. It also clearly states that the uchiha are descendants of the elder son. Also I seriously doubt naruto will get the rinnegan. The only reason why nagato had it was because it was transplanted into him by obito. You need uchiha and senju dna to get it. Naruto does not have either.

Uzumaki's are not the cousin clan. The translation translates to "Distant relatives" not cousins. Therefore mitigating the possibility that he represents the Younger Son. If Kishi wanted Naruto to be the Younger Son, he would have made him a full Senju.

Here is the problem with the only case of someone awakening it; the sample evidence is not enough to draw a definite conclusion. Therefore, while the only occurrence of someone awakening it is Madara, it still is not concrete fact that, that is the only way to awaken the Rinnegan.

 

[DarkWolf Nashoba]

I have to disagree with part of your theory. You said naruto and sasuke are notb descendants of the sages sons but it clearly states in the manga that uzamakis are cousins to the senjus and the senjus are a direct descendant of the younger son. It also clearly states that the uchiha are descendants of the elder son. Also I seriously doubt naruto will get the rinnegan. The only reason why nagato had it was because it was transplanted into him by obito. You need uchiha and senju dna to get it. Naruto does not have either.

Mito, Hashirama's wife, was an Uzumaki. I'm pretty sure that the the Uzumaki and Senju clans weren't that closely related.
As it can be seen in the manga scan below, Rinn3gan is correct in saying that the translation yields "distant blood relatives" as opposed to cousins:

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Is it possible that some of the Uzumakis of present time are descendants of Mito and therefore descendants of Hashirama as well? Yes, but I doubt Naruto came from that particular lineage. Otherwise, by now we should have seen that Naruto and Tsunade have some sort of direct blood relation, since she is the granddaughter of the first hokage. Unfortunately, I have no additional supporting evidence, but if you have evidence that provides a counter-example to this doubt of mine, then feel free to share.

 

[Lightning Release]

Was a good thread up until the point where you said Hashirama would "stomp Naruto" which is complete, and I mean no disrespect, B.S. Hashi would not stomp Naruto. Not at all. sorry.

good thread though.

 

[Transcendence]

Was a good thread up until the point where you said Hashirama would "stomp Naruto" which is complete, and I mean no disrespect, B.S. Hashi would not stomp Naruto. Not at all. sorry.

good thread though.

Yes he would...

Mokuton inherently suppresses Bijuu powers. Didn't you see what Madara did to Naruto? Hashirama is even better than that. Therefore, in Sage Mode, with all his powers amplified, he would stomp.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Every host is born with characterisics of its Jinchuuriki or resembles them

1 tail- Gaara's eyes, and his sand manipulation
2 tail- Her feline characteristics
3 tail- Not sure
4 tail- The name Son Goku and Roshi
5 tail- Not sure
6 tail- Use of bubbles
7 tail- Not sure
8 tail- use of 8 swords
9 tail- whiskers
10 tail- Rinnigan

Why would a human be born with the power of the rinnigan?

 

[miromiro]

I have a question about this. We all believe that Minato will give Naruto the other half of Kyuubi chakra. But, didn't Bee say just before Naruto getting in a fight with Kurama that once he gained that chakra it'll be forever him? What if the same applies to Minato's Kyuubi chakra? What if, just like Naruto, the Kyuubi's chakra will remain his forever?

I'm not sure if I misunderstood something, but I hope somebody can lighten me up. Thank you.

 

[WyfBath]

Interesting theory; it jolted my memory quite a few times!

 

[boshans]

I would just like to say...when the hell did Tsunade punch a hole through Perfect Susanoo? She never did that, she punched a whole through Madara's regular Susanoo, NOT Perfect Susanoo. Madara used Perfect Susanoo and then before either Madara, or the Kages, could do anything, Itachi released Edo Tensei and Madara's Perfect Susanoo disappeared since he was getting sent back to the pure world. All he did with Perfect Susanoo was chop some mountains in half, and Tsunade definitely 100% did not touch Perfect Susanoo. So I don't know why any of you are debating that since Tsunade punched a hole through Perfect Susanoo that Naruto couldn't with Bijuu Mode. It just didn't happen, and we don't know what is capable of punching a hole through Perfect Susanoo, but I am pretty sure Naruto could destroy a normal Susanoo with ease in Bijuu Mode, since Tsunade did with just a punch.

Also, I for one thinks the Sage had the Rinnegan BEFORE sealing the Juubi inside of himself, for one simple reason. The Juubi's eye is obviously not the Rinnegan, is is more of a Sharingan with more Tomoe's, and the Sage's Elder Son's eye is obviously not the Rinnegan. Isn't it safe to assume that if the Sage did not have any Dojutsu beforehand, and got it after the Juubi was sealed, that the Elder Son would have the Rinnegan and not some mutation? But if the Sage had the Rinnegan before sealing the Juubi, and then the Juubi's eye interfered with his Rinnegan, that the Elder Son would have a mutation of the two that would eventually lead to the Sharingan? I just think that since the Elder Son didn't have a Rinnegan, that the Sage must have had it beforehand and the Juubi's influence mutated his Elder Son's eye's into something that wasn't a copy of the Sage's Rinnegan.

 

[Mo City Don]

Naruto gaining dojustu would cause this manga to lose all credibility as he has the will of fire.

Also, the juubi's eye is not the rinnegan. And how could the sage beat the juubi without the strongest dojustu in the series, the rinnegan?

 

[Transcendence]

Every host is born with characterisics of its Jinchuuriki or resembles them

1 tail- Gaara's eyes, and his sand manipulation
2 tail- Her feline characteristics
3 tail- Not sure
4 tail- The name Son Goku and Roshi
5 tail- Not sure
6 tail- Use of bubbles
7 tail- Not sure
8 tail- use of 8 swords
9 tail- whiskers
10 tail- Rinnigan

Why would a human be born with the power of the rinnigan?

EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. The Rinnegan is basically the eye of the God of the Narutoverse. It is completely illogical to assume that the Sage had it when he was born.

 

[Transcendence]

I would just like to say...when the hell did Tsunade punch a hole through Perfect Susanoo? She never did that, she punched a whole through Madara's regular Susanoo, NOT Perfect Susanoo. Madara used Perfect Susanoo and then before either Madara, or the Kages, could do anything, Itachi released Edo Tensei and Madara's Perfect Susanoo disappeared since he was getting sent back to the pure world. All he did with Perfect Susanoo was chop some mountains in half, and Tsunade definitely 100% did not touch Perfect Susanoo. So I don't know why any of you are debating that since Tsunade punched a hole through Perfect Susanoo that Naruto couldn't with Bijuu Mode. It just didn't happen, and we don't know what is capable of punching a hole through Perfect Susanoo, but I am pretty sure Naruto could destroy a normal Susanoo with ease in Bijuu Mode, since Tsunade did with just a punch.

Also, I for one thinks the Sage had the Rinnegan BEFORE sealing the Juubi inside of himself, for one simple reason. The Juubi's eye is obviously not the Rinnegan, is is more of a Sharingan with more Tomoe's, and the Sage's Elder Son's eye is obviously not the Rinnegan. Isn't it safe to assume that if the Sage did not have any Dojutsu beforehand, and got it after the Juubi was sealed, that the Elder Son would have the Rinnegan and not some mutation? But if the Sage had the Rinnegan before sealing the Juubi, and then the Juubi's eye interfered with his Rinnegan, that the Elder Son would have a mutation of the two that would eventually lead to the Sharingan? I just think that since the Elder Son didn't have a Rinnegan, that the Sage must have had it beforehand and the Juubi's influence mutated his Elder Son's eye's into something that wasn't a copy of the Sage's Rinnegan.

Regarding Perfect Susanoo; You are actually correct. I realized that a day after this thread was posted. If anything that goes to show how Overpowered Sasuke would be with Perfect Susanoo.

Regarding the Sage and the Rinnegan; How can a human, not a god, be born with the eyes of the God of the Naruto verse? You can't assume that under logical circumstances. If you superimpose the image of the Juubi's eye to remove the Tomoes then you literally get the Rinnegan. The tomoes are a representation of hatred (Assumption) and this has been displayed by the clan of hatred; the Uchihas.

The Elder Son didn't get the Rinnegan from his father because the Rinnegan requires both the Yin and Yang to manifest. This is why Madara was successful in reverse engineering the original bloodline to unlock the Rinnegan. The Sharingan manifested later on as the bloodline began to dilute and then the clans began to establish (as did inbreeding).

 

[Transcendence]

Naruto gaining dojustu would cause this manga to lose all credibility as he has the will of fire.

Also, the juubi's eye is not the rinnegan. And how could the sage beat the juubi without the strongest dojustu in the series, the rinnegan?

Naruto gaining a Dojutsu does not conflict with the Will of Fire, it does the opposite. It actually parallels with it because it is said (in the manga) that someone will be blessed with the eyes (Rinnegan) to either be a bringer of destruction or a bringer of creation. We've already seen Nagato as the Destruction incarnate; trying to force pain on the world to enforce mutual understanding. Naruto will be the bringer of creation, if you couldn't tell, the shinobi world is in the greatest peril in history; facing the Juubi, Madara and Obito. Stronger and harder than any war before it.

 

[XxLotusxX]

Wow, that was a really good read. One question though - because ninjutsu is amplified by sage mode, I would expect that Naruto's tbb would be amplified as well because it is a chakra based attack. Would a massive tbb not do any damage to perfect susanoo? Madara stated that it rivals bijuu, not surpasses bijuu.


also, rep to you=D

 

[Transcendence]

Wow, that was a really good read. One question though - because ninjutsu is amplified by sage mode, I would expect that Naruto's tbb would be amplified as well because it is a chakra based attack. Would a massive tbb not do any damage to perfect susanoo? Madara stated that it rivals bijuu, not surpasses bijuu.


also, rep to you=D

Thanks man! And yea it will probably amplify a Bijuudama. Actually that seems more like a logical certainty!

 

[luzhikari]

definetly love it, it would be pretty cool if this comes true

 

[Transcendence]

definetly love it, it would be pretty cool if this comes true

Thanks man!

 

[dy2light]

Very plausible theory, well-supported, clearly-explained. Great work in giving this explanation
Also...

Yes, they are universal or general propositions that are derived from specific examples, the greater the similitude of the particular to the universal, the more veracious the inductive inference is, this is not to say that inductive reasoning is perfect since even if the premises are true, the conclusion might be proven false when further evidences suggest its' errancy, however substantiated inductive inferences gives us a valid reason to believe that conclusions are true until they are proven otherwise.

Such a beautiful, impeccable vocabulary you have, Derp Obito :yayy:

 

[Transcendence]

Very plausible theory, well-supported, clearly-explained. Great work in giving this explanation
Also...




Such a beautiful, impeccable vocabulary you have, Derp Obito :yayy:

Thanks man!

+ REP

 

[Akasha]

I completely agree!