HST War

[KakashiNinja113]

I don't care much about calcs... so I prefer you bring more scans for evidence
and while the shock factor and AOE of the quakes may look good on paper it's the damage that matterd

Can't provide scan whilst on my phone, but apparently it was the case, splitting the sea and tilting an island is an immense feat if you say so otherwise, and not to mention his quake alone shattered rock formations and almost all the buildings upon marineford, also caught a metoer from akainu which was on fire and whistled and blew it out, a singe one of those melted a considerate amount of area of Ice composed by aokiji.

RyujinJakka is shikai and I'm sure naruto can protect against it(he protected against fire style jutsus quite well you see and those 2 spanned across most of the shinobi alliance but I should keep in mind it tired him quite a bit)

Katon hasn't shown DC or heat intensity even slightly comparable to Yamamoto's, who's flames alone have shown vapourizing shit on occasions. As well as huge city blocks as seen with his fight against Aizen. Durability has it's limits nonetheless, seeing how even island level durability characters can be stabbed and impaled depending on piercing power, the ability to relase intense heat energy isn't any different.

While hype is good in all but still destroying of SS is too insane(I mean it didn't even do much in the central area he fought in) besides his power is too concentrated to cause outside damage

His shikai alone was created immense pillers alone, taking the powerscaling in consideration his Bankai is way superior, given the Fact his flames covered an whole area of Karakura town simaltanously. Which was his shikai, casually.

Now while I don't think this means that anyone is going to be hit will come out alive(it burns people to crisp with one stab)

Yeah.

Anyway defenses from Hashirama, Sasuke, The Hokage and quick moves keep it at bay.(though not saying everyone comes out alive)

You mean his wood golem can catch and bounce of TBB's but can stand heat flames? logically, it's wood, like I said before, he can profficiantly burn it using Zanka no tachi. Shouldn't be a problem since TBB is basically kinetical energy. Heat energy differs.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Can't provide scan whilst on my phone, but apparently it was the case, splitting the sea and tilting an island is an immense feat if you say so otherwise, and not to mention his quake alone shattered rock formations and almost all the buildings upon marineford, also caught a metoer from akainu which was on fire and whistled and blew it out, a singe one of those melted a considerate amount of area of Ice composed by aokiji.

I'd love to see the man blow out amaterasu

Katon hasn't shown DC or heat intensity even slightly comparable to Yamamoto's, who's flames alone have shown vapourizing shit on occasions. As well as huge city blocks as seen with his fight against Aizen. Durability has it's limits nonetheless, seeing how even island level durability characters can be stabbed and impaled depending on piercing power, the ability to relase intense heat energy isn't any different.

You have a point there but just one of those jutsu took an entire platoon to extinguish and the same user burned a forest in an instant, plus a shield that protects is different than a person's durability(if it's shown to be somewhat heat resistant)

His shikai alone was created immense pillers alone, taking the powerscaling in consideration his Bankai is way superior, given the Fact his flames covered an whole area of Karakura town simaltanously. Which was his shikai, casually

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Again power is concentrated

You mean his wood golem can catch and bounce of TBB's but can stand heat flames? logically, it's wood, like I said before, he can profficiantly burn it using Zanka no tachi. Shouldn't be a problem since TBB is basically kinetical energy. Heat energy differs.

I was talking about gobi
plus I never said he was completely safe

 

[KakashiNinja113]

I'd love to see the man blow out amaterasu

So you're telling me the pressure from his quakes and pressure sent from his quake which can blow away multi city blocks casually can't blow out shinra tensei when Nagato could?

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Again power is concentrated

So the point remains, it was about his Bankai going all out, isn't it the same for dbz characters who show mulitple inconsistancy like vegeta blowing majin buu away with an attack as big as island level in DC? Even possessing compressed DC the DC's overall potency isn't altered, since the power and energy put into the attack depends, energy itself carries weight depending on the intensity of the attack. And amount of objects destroyed, It isn't vial to create an tremendous AOE to prove it all times. That the reason mountain busting> city busting. So like the previous argument, if his shikai did that, his Bankai I powerscaled to be way superior logically.

 

[KakashiNinja113]

I'd love to see the man blow out amaterasu

So you're telling me the pressure sent from his quake which can blow away multi city blocks casually can't blow out shinra tensei when Nagato could?

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Again power is concentrated

So the point remains, it was about his Bankai going all out, isn't it the same for dbz characters who show mulitple inconsistancy like vegeta blowing majin buu away with an attack as big as island level in DC? Even possessing compressed DC the DC's overall potency isn't altered, since the power and energy put into the attack depends, energy itself carries weight depending on the intensity of the attack. And amount of objects destroyed, It isn't vial to create an tremendous AOE to prove it all times. That the reason mountain busting> city busting. So like the previous argument, if his shikai did that, his Bankai I powerscaled to be way superior logically.

 

[BlackFlame44]

So you're telling me the pressure sent from his quake which can blow away multi city blocks casually can't blow out shinra tensei when Nagato could?

Repelling and blowing away are too different things
The almighty push repels it while a shockwave wouldn't be able to extinguish it
also I don't know his quakes are gonna blow it off if they're on his body :erm:
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So the point remains, it was about his Bankai going all out, isn't it the same for dbz characters who show mulitple inconsistancy like vegeta blowing majin buu away with an attack as big as island level in DC? Even possessing compressed DC the DC's overall potency isn't altered, since the power and energy put into the attack depends, energy itself carries weight depending on the intensity of the attack. And amount of objects destroyed, It isn't vial to create an tremendous AOE to prove it all times. That the reason mountain busting> city busting. So like the previous argument, if his shikai did that, his Bankai I powerscaled to be way superior logically.

Oh yeah totally
I just mean that Zanka no Tachi isn't really meant for AOE or DC it's concentrated heat
if it touches you, you burn end of...(also he's the sun)

 

[jiraiya lives]

Naruto's planet is star size. the mountains are continental size. Anyone around or above naruto's level is a planet buster :| come on now this is just rape :|


OT: team 2 takes this, I'm glad you didn't include Aizen cause then it would of been a god stomp

 

[Hyperion]

lol no

that doesn't even make sense
It could just means only part of the earth is populated
and Naruto destroyed actual mountains

Fool, there isn't even the remote possibility that Naruto scale attacks can compare when Naruto canon has provided the shj ttiest World Map in Shounen.

Go by what is canon, not what it could mean or what you want it to.mean. Keep defending this lame excuse of a thread.

 

[xcoyote]

Fool, there isn't even the remote possibility that Naruto scale attacks can compare when Naruto canon has provided the shj ttiest World Map in Shounen.

Go by what is canon, not what it could mean or what you want it to.mean. Keep defending this lame excuse of a thread.

Hurr Durr,SM Hashi still pummels them to oblivion,adding the rest makes it a stomp.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Side 1 mighty lose just because of Yamamoto and Whitebeard. Otherwise they win.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Side 1 mighty lose just because of Yamamoto and Whitebeard. Otherwise they win.

Hashirama can beat WB
Naruto can beat yamamoto

 

[xcoyote]

Hashirama can beat WB
Naruto can beat yamamoto

You need to restrict chakra sharing aswell,a KCM Hashirama sounds scary.

 

[BlackFlame44]

You need to restrict chakra sharing aswell,a KCM Hashirama sounds scary.

And featless

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Hashirama can beat WB
Naruto can beat yamamoto

WB is mach 600's+ and has a higher durability and DC than Hashirama.

Naruto does beat yamamoto, yes indisputable, but with WB protection he can stay in the field for longer. WB can literally punch back TBB's in ball form.

 

[BlackFlame44]

WB is mach 600's+ and has a higher durability and DC than Hashirama.

Naruto does beat yamamoto, yes indisputable, but with WB protection he can stay in the field for longer. WB can literally punch back TBB's in ball form.

Mach 600 XD

Hashirama has more feats IMO


WB punching TBB is pretty unlikely