How would you handle Dragon Ball Z?

[Son of Zabuza]

How DBZ should have been?

Saiyan Saga:
Goku and Piccolo vs. Raditz (Raditz and Goku die)
Z-Warriors train with Kami and Popo
Piccolo trains Gohan (teaches him Masenko and Special Beam Cannon)
Z-Warriors fight Nappa. They all hold their ground, Chaozu uses Kamikaze technique (fails), Tien finishes Nappa with Spirit Tri-Beam, they all fight Vegeta, Vegeta kills Tien, Yamcha, and Piccolo, Gohan uses an angry Masenko but Vegeta counters the technique quickly, Goku saves Gohan and Krillin. fights Vegeta...don't change the rest it's perfect the way it is.

Frieza Saga:
Keep everything until Piccolo arrives to save Gohan, Krillin, Dende, and Vegeta, Piccolo uses Kaioken to fight Frieza, Frieza transforms to 3rd state, Piccolo goes Kaioken x2 while everyone else powers up to help him, Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin uses up all their energy, Dende dies, Vegeta and Frieza square up, Frieza beats Vegeta into a bloddy pulp, Goku comes and saves the day, Frieza kills Vegeta, Goku and Frieza square up, Goku hits Frieza with spirit bomb, Frieza comes back and kills Goku, injures Piccolo, Gohan becomes the Legendary Super Saiyan (his form is similar to SSJ2), Gohan tells Krillin to leave w/ Piccolo and Bulma. Gohan fights Frieza, Gohan spares Frieza's life out of mercy, Frieza does a sneak attack, Gohan defeats him with an angry Masenko, Gohan leaves Namek on spaceship before destruction, comes home, everyone is happy.

Bojack movie:
Everything up until when Bojack arrives, Tien and Yamcha do a fusion they learned from King Kai to form Tiencha, Vegeta, Kid Trunks, Tiencha, Chaozu and Piccolo fight the henchmen which they succeed, Gohan fights Bojack, gets crushed by a bear hug, Piccolo saves Gohan but then gets knocked out, the fusion time limit is up and both Tien and Yamcha get knocked out, Kid Trunks gets knocked out, Krillin tries to help but gets knocked out. Gohan, after using half of his power, then goes Legendary Super saiyan (SSJ2 form) and does a energy beam battle with Bojack, everyone helps out Gohan by firing at Bojack from behind but gets blown back, Goku gives Gohan confidence, Vegeta shoots one more energy blast at Bojack, Gohan releases everything he's got, Kills Bojack, everyone's happy.

Battle of Gods:
Everything until Beerus and Whis arrives on Earth. Beerus fights and knocks everyone out. Gohan goes Legendary Super Saiyan to fight Beerus, holds his own, Gohan then passes out only to be caught by Beerus, Beerus tells Gohan that he won't destroy the planet and he will train Gohan to control his Super Saiyan form as long as he brings him tasty snacks, Gohan accepts and goes with Beerus to train.

Resurrection F:
Everything until Gohan arrives. Gohan fights Frieza, they both transform, they deal great damage to each other, Gohan uses Super Masenko to kill Frieza, Vegeta negates the attack saying that HE wants to defeat Frieza, Frieza mocks him by calling him the PRINCESS of all Saiyans, Vegeta then goes Super Saiyan and mercilessly beats the crap out of Frieza and ultimately kills him. The movie ends with Gohan fighting and eventually training Uub to be the next hero of Earth.

 

[Gerkak]

I would keep piccolo and the human fighters(especially tien) relevant. The saiyan wank made the series go down hill.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Too many things to list for the series.

 

[Urda]

I would keep piccolo and the human fighters(especially tien) relevant. The saiyan wank made the series go down hill.

It was mostly about Goku past which revolve around the Saiyans. And besides, the rest got weaker as the series ended.

 

[Gerkak]

It was mostly about Goku past. Besides The rest got weak anyway.

Not really, I don't see what majin buu had to do with Goku's past. The rest got weak only because the writer wanted to focus on saiyans. He tried to justify the saiyans being stronger by introducing inconsistent things like zenkai which either doesn't appear at times or the degree of effect being random. Zenkai was something Goku never had in the original series and didn't start getting it till namek saga.

The saiyans are cool, but everything being about them was a silly move.

 

[Bling Kai]

Wouldn't change much since there are not very many real problems with it. Most if bot everything peopem have said here are just nitpicks not real problems with its writing.


And one of the nitpicks gets real annoying are people mad that when characters like a human aren't strong as saiyans or nameks. Both of them most particularly saiyans are naturally gifted fighters so it doesn't even make sense within the story for humans to even keep up without major major dedicated training and even still they wont reach their level since saiyans get stronger at an abnormally fast rate.

This is not a PROBLEM its a NITPICK.

So all that complaining about saiyans being so strong compared to others is just a nitpick. The humans where behind in strength throught the series and it was still good and its not like it made them any less of what they where.they where still cool well developed characters. All that would even change is the amount of fighters fighting the main baddy cause one or two more fighters getting there ass kicked (cause we all know that's what would happen anyway) would denfentily make it better than less characters getting thier ass kicked. And I only say that becuasw its not like being strong made you immune to being fodder and getting owend.

 

[loj]

I'd make Gohan more powerfull than Goku and Vegeta are...

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I'd make Gohan more powerfull than Goku and Vegeta are...

Gohan should have been a Uryuu type of character in my opinion. A fighter who concentrates on skill besides power.

 

[Bling Kai]

I would keep piccolo and the human fighters(especially tien) relevant. The saiyan wank made the series go down hill.

Saiyans where not wanked they are introduced into the series as fighters that are abnormally strong(stronger than humans) having said that it would be complete bull shit if humans where on thier level.

You must not have understood the saiyans.lbof you are saying this.

Also the humans where still pretty much fodders that got owned in dragon ball too with an exception of a few. The only time they really shined was in the world martial arts tournament. Dbz had a bigger cast of characters most of wich where naturally better than human fighters if the humans where on their level it wouldn't make sense. Not to mention most of the human characters dont like fighting nearly as much as saiyans, so it wouldnt even be plausible to thier character if they where constantly training to fight and get stronger

I never understood this complaint amount fans.

Also what I said about the humans applies to the nameks as well when explaining why they arent as strong as saiyans minus a few obvious things

 

[Punk Hazard]

Vegeta would have killed Buu with this Final Explosion. Also, I'd an explanation that those with excellent Ki control have the ability to focus their blasts so it remains in within a predetermined area of effect. This way, there's a logical explanation for why someone who could destroy planets with one finger in the beginning of the series can launch a full on blast against the ground and only destroy a mountain. Also, only one level of Super Saiyan.

 

[Gerkak]

Saiyans where not wanked they are introduced into the series as fighters that are abnormally strong its would be complete bull shit if humans where on there level.

You must not have understood the saiyans.lbof you are saying this.

Also the humans where still pretty much fodders that got owned in dragon ball too with an exception of a few. The only time they really shined was in the world martial arts tournament. Dbz had a bigger cast of characters most of wich where naturally better than human fighters if the humans where on their level it wouldn't make sense. Not to mention most of the human characters dont like fighting nearly as much as saiyans, so it wouldnt even be plausible to thier character if they where constantly training to fight and get stronger

I never understood this complaint amount fans.

Also what I said about the humans applies to the nameks as well when explaining why they arent as strong as saiyans minus a few obvious things

I know humans were among the weaker races, my focus were the human z-fighters not humans in general. Higher power levels not naturally better fighters what the heck could cui do that krillin couldn't:lol. Tien trains everyday just as much as Goku and was only slightly weaker than goku pre-DBZ but then suddenly couldn't compete, why? Because toriyama decided to introduce saiyans as being naturally stronger just because and also the zenkai which as I have said is massively inconsistent.

Nameks were said by vegeta to have unusaully high power levels when he first saw piccolo, as a prideful person for vegeta to say that means saiyans must have respected the power of nameks then all of a sudden piccolo can't compete? You see the pattern? Over time the saiyans became dominant without any race being able to compete. Soon even the gods of destruction will be weaker than goten :lol.

Don't get me wrong I love DBZ, it was the very first anime I watched and it is what made me start watching anime and reading manga and while I feel it was good some things in my opinion could have been better.

Vegeta would have killed Buu with this Final Explosion. Also, I'd an explanation that those with excellent Ki control have the ability to focus their blasts so it remains in within a predetermined area of effect. This way, there's a logical explanation for why someone who could destroy planets with one finger in the beginning of the series can launch a full on blast against the ground and only destroy a mountain. Also, only one level of Super Saiyan.

@Bold the daizenshuu 7(DBZ data book) I believe covered this and said that is exactly what they do.

 

[Bling Kai]

Vegeta would have killed Buu with this Final Explosion. Also, I'd an explanation that those with excellent Ki control have the ability to focus their blasts so it remains in within a predetermined area of effect. This way, there's a logical explanation for why someone who could destroy planets with one finger in the beginning of the series can launch a full on blast against the ground and only destroy a mountain. Also, only one level of Super Saiyan.

Yes i agree with you that's something I cant stand about dragon ball. It's full of shit like that. Lol also how did nail know piccolo was a defused namek? It's small stuff like i notice in the series and its full of those kinds of things. But they are easy to overlook since they are so minor.

 

[loj]

Gohan should have been a Uryuu type of character in my opinion. A fighter who concentrates on skill besides power.

Gohan should have surpassed Goku and Vegeta.

Fans overwanked on Goku and Vegeta so much that Tori made another Yamcha out of Gohan.

Teen Gohan will always be the best Gohan.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Gohan should have surpassed Goku and Vegeta.

Fans overwanked on Goku and Vegeta so much that Tori made another Yamcha out of Gohan.

Teen Gohan will always be the best Gohan.

Agreed. But I think my idea would have suited him.

 

[loj]

Agreed. But I think my idea would have suited him.

Well he was something like that already.Focusing on enemies weakness and using skill to beat them khm khm Cell khm khm

Gohan should have also killed Buu not Goku.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Well he was something like that already.Focusing on enemies weakness and using skill to beat them khm khm Cell khm khm

Gohan should have also killed Buu not Goku.

I ment I would replace his strength with smarts. Future Gohan was the best version of Gohan in the series in my opinion.

 

[Bling Kai]

I know humans were among the weaker races, my focus were the human z-fighters not humans in general. Higher power levels not naturally better fighters what the heck could cui do that krillin couldn't:lol. Tien trains everyday just as much as Goku and was only slightly weaker than goku pre-DBZ but then suddenly couldn't compete, why? Because toriyama decided to introduce saiyans as being naturally stronger just because and also the zenkai which as I have said is massively inconsistent.

Nameks were said by vegeta to have unusaully high power levels when he first saw piccolo, as a prideful person for vegeta to say that means saiyans must have respected the power of nameks then all of a sudden piccolo can't compete? You see the pattern? Over time the saiyans became dominant without any race being able to compete. Soon even the gods of destruction will be weaker than goten :lol.

Don't get me wrong I love DBZ, it was the very first anime I watched and it is what made me start watching anime and reading manga and while I feel it was good some things in my opinion could have been better.

I agree with what you say then about humans however we shouldn't forget that goku had special training he was trained by kais also there was a period in the series (on namek) where goku and vegeta just got a shiton of power UPS on a short amount of time while humans like tien where lagging behond. I think this is one of those things where toriyama introduces ideas that either aren't fully explained or have no solid footing so they get I consistent and sometimes change completely.



Also lets not forget that goku, vegeta, trunks, gohan and goten are not nessecarily strong becuase are saiyans but because of a variety of different reasons. Lots of shit happens that allowed them to get stronger while nothing of the sort happened to the other human characters.

But the human characters are a lot stronger than all of the saiyans that we know of besides broly and the obvious main saiyan cast.

 

[loj]

I ment I would replace his strength with smarts. Future Gohan was the best version of Gohan in the series in my opinion.

Im going with teen.

The way he got SSJ2 and the way he fodderzoned Cell was perfect.He was OP and badass aswell.

Too bad Tori broke him

 

[Gerkak]

I agree with what you say then about humans however we shouldn't forget that goku had special training he was trained by kais also there was a period in the series (on namek) where goku and vegeta just got a shiton of power UPS on a short amount of time while humans like tien where lagging behond. I think this is one of those things where toriyama introduces ideas that either aren't fully explained or have no solid footing so they get I consistent and sometimes change completely.

I understand goku and vegeta getting lots of power but what about after namek? Piccolo who also didn't have anything like zenkai was only slightly weaker than a super saiyan in the early part of the android saga he defeated android 20 just as easily as vegeta defeated android 19 and 20 is superior to 19. Piccolo got to that level by training something tien does just as much of yet unlike piccolo he didn't even come close, tien was at best only slightly stronger than 3rd form frieza. Toriyama just wanted to get rid of the humans and later piccolo it is clear that piccolo could compete with the saiyans in the cell saga but couldn't in the buu saga for no reason. There was nothing that happened after the cell saga for 7 years so no reason for the saiyans to get any huge boosts.

Also lets not forget that goku, vegeta, trunks, gohan and goten are not nessecarily strong becuase are saiyans but because of a variety of different reasons. Lots of shit happens that allowed them to get stronger while nothing of the sort happened to the other human characters.

But the human characters are a lot stronger than all of the saiyans that we know of besides broly and the obvious main saiyan cast.

Nah trunks and especially goten didn't do much for their training they just got huge amounts of power for no reason at all, I mean even for saiyans that is ridiculous.

 

[Bling Kai]

I understand goku and vegeta getting lots of power but what about after namek? Piccolo who also didn't have anything like zenkai was only slightly weaker than a super saiyan in the early part of the android saga he defeated android 20 just as easily as vegeta defeated android 19 and 20 is superior to 19. Piccolo got to that level by training something tien does just as much of yet unlike piccolo he didn't even come close, tien was at best only slightly stronger than 3rd form frieza. Toriyama just wanted to get rid of the humans and later piccolo it is clear that piccolo could compete with the saiyans in the cell saga but couldn't in the buu saga for no reason. There was nothing that happened after the cell saga for 7 years so no reason for the saiyans to get any huge boosts.



Nah trunks and especially goten didn't do much for their training they just got huge amounts of power for no reason at all, I mean even for saiyans that is ridiculous.

Toriyama was never clear about what made any fighter stronger to another so it became a thing in the series that whomever had the bigger power level wins. All of this can be summed up to what I said about toriyama introducing an idea that either isn't thought out fully or has no solid footing. Or just being ambiguous in this case its a bit of both mostly the latter.

There is no proof piccolo was as strong as you are saying in the android saga gor all we know goku would have kicked 19 and 20 ass if he was not sick or maybe he wouldn't. Maybe he wasn't even going full power wich is why he didn't finish them immediately.

Battles and dragon ball series are always like this. That's what the problem here is its too ****ing hard to know how strong anybody really is because of the style toriyama writes battles this is the real answer to your problem here.

Also I mostly agree with what you say about goten and trunks I say mostly because there is a explanation that had to do with sayian and human hybrids being unusually strong. But like o said due to toriyamas style of writing in not really sure tien couldn't hold his own against goten and trunks in base form that is.