how would konoha be if sasuke implemented his revolution plan??????

[Nidaime Suiton]

It would be like the Cultural Revolution by Mao Zedong , a disaster.

 

[Detonator99]

There would be no konoha because momoshiki and kinshiki would come in and destroy everything, with no coperation with the shinobi sasuke would have been defeated pretty easily.

 

[Yokaze Sama]

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how would konoha be if sasuke implemented his revolution plan????????????

Sasuke > Tobidara

 

[Detonator99]

> Naruto would be dead
> No Bijuu alive
> Momoshiki and Kinshiki wouldn't come to NV because there are no Bijuu.
> Sasuke kills everyone who tries to disrupt his peace.
> Kawaki doesn't exist.
> Sasuke saved the world :sdo:

There are still the shinobi's with chakra momoshiki would still come and the bijus are inmortal if they died they would still respawn.

 

[Jiren]

A fake Uthopia, built on fear and hatred towards Sasuke, and it would remain like that until someone powerful enough rose to fight him.

This....

 

[Jokule67]

Sasuke was the real child of the prophecy, we would have had eternal peace. But, more money needed to be milked for part 3 so Kishi let Naruto's childish idealism pollute the universe, thus creating the Kaweki's of the world.

Naruto's dream of people living in unity is far from childish. Sasuke becoming a false god is the height of childish and you are too if you agree with it. Its mature to live in unity of your own free will.

 

[LoZelda101]

No, I recognze we're dealing with Konoha is just a massive military power, but Sasuke has no idea of what people think like. Give him power over everyone and people would try to rebel, only to be killed. Time would pass, more people would rebel after forgetting what happened the next time and people would die again. Logically, measures would be taken and eventually anything you do might be taken as an attempt to rebel, no one expresses their opinion, no one has the right to question what their leader is doing, because if they do, they die. Hatred would grow, and again, people would try to rebel. More people die, more measures are taken, more people hate him, more people rebel. There is no way out of this, it just becomes a cycle of hatred until someone manages to bring Sasuke down. Its Nagato's ideology all over again.

But hey, everyone's life might be sh*t, but it sure is peaceful.

My point is it can't go south in a world that is already south to begin with. your logic is only right from IRL perspective due to our standards of tolerance and modern views. not NV's perspective. the problem with their fictional world is that they try to be diplomatic with stone age ideals which is why it fails everytime and only ends up making another obito, nagato or worst. sasuke. either be primarily diplomatic or don't be diplomatic at all. trying to balance both ends up with inconsistencies resulting in massacres, still using bijuus as WoMD (hiruzen era) or iirc villages hiring akatsuki members to even out the competition. with a world still built around stone age perspectives, I believe with sasuke's ideals he was going to take all that away and make himself the one and only tangible enemy. I doubt it would've been perfect plan but it would've certainly made stronger united bonds to fight against him, like it did against tobidara's declaration of war.

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wiping out the old kages, their system etc. there would be no inconsistencies and only make it easier to allow entire countries to unite. the only problem with sasuke's plan is if he somehow died, what then?

 

[Kakooli]

Naruto's dream of people living in unity is far from childish. Sasuke becoming a false god is the height of childish and you are too if you agree with it. Its mature to live in unity of your own free will.

It's childish and unrealistic, Kaweki is living proof of that. Naruto's Miss World ideals led to the stagnation of ninja and created a vacuum for underground threats like the ootsutsuki clan, the clone army and Kaweki to cause havoc.

 

[Ricardo]

There are still the shinobi's with chakra momoshiki would still come and the bijus are inmortal if they died they would still respawn.

Momoshiki stated he only came to NV for the Bijuu and nothing else. If Hagoromo could create the bijuu, Sasuke can most likely destroy them with the rinnegan.

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Hagoromo split the juubi into 9 chakra forms, Sasuke already displayed a similar feat

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So, no. He could potentially destroy the bijuu, this isn't just all talk. :sdo:

 

[Guntah]

My point is it can't go south in a world that is already south to begin with. your logic is only right from IRL perspective due to our standards of tolerance and modern views. not NV's perspective. the problem with their fictional world is that they try to be diplomatic with stone age ideals which is why it fails everytime and only ends up making another obito, nagato or worst. sasuke. either be primarily diplomatic or don't be diplomatic at all. trying to balance both ends up with inconsistencies resulting in massacres, still using bijuus as WoMD (hiruzen era) or iirc villages hiring akatsuki members to even out the competition. with a world still built around stone age perspectives, I believe with sasuke's ideals he was going to take all that away and make himself the one and only tangible enemy. I doubt it would've been perfect plan but it would've certainly made stronger united bonds to fight against him, like it did against tobidara's declaration of war.

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wiping out the old kages, their system etc. there would be no inconsistencies and only make it easier to allow entire countries to unite. the only problem with sasuke's plan is if he somehow died, what then?

Its good when you say it, but something must be done for him to become and remain as the enemy, meaning that the receiving end of his hatred will suffer. A lot. Because if he is to be the villain, he must remain the villain, he can't just slay the five kage and create a paradise for everyone, he'd be revered by that. People fight back when you mistreat them, the Uchiha proved that much. But Sasuke works under the assumption that people will stop fighting him when they see he is stronger than them and submit, but people repeat their mistakes. Three wars had already happened by the beginning of this series for a reason.

So the final choice is between a (more than likely) temporary peace in between nations and a complete dictatorship with the occasional rebellion. The conflict won't stop, that on itself is human nature, so its all about the lesser evil.

 

[Guntah]

It's childish and unrealistic, Kaweki is living proof of that. Naruto's Miss World ideals led to the stagnation of ninja and created a vacuum for underground threats like the ootsutsuki clan, the clone army and Kaweki to cause havoc.

You use Kawaki as an example, yet all you know about him is that he really dislikes the Shinobi system.

Great.

 

[Nidaime Suiton]

Naruto's dream of people living in unity is far from childish. Sasuke becoming a false god is the height of childish and you are too if you agree with it. Its mature to live in unity of your own free will.

Naruto is a shonen , all is possible.

If naruto was realistic , for example Rock Lee and Might Guy don't would have been shinobi.

 

[Kakooli]

You use Kawaki as an example, yet all you know about him is that he really dislikes the Shinobi system.

Great.

Who's responsible for creating the post-war shinobi system? :elmo:

 

[Guntah]

Who's responsible for creating the post-war shinobi system? :elmo:

It more or less established itself with the alliance before the war. But I think the answer you want is Naruto. What about it though?

 

[Kakooli]

It more or less established itself with the alliance before the war. But I think the answer you want is Naruto. What about it though?

Kaweki's dislike for Naruto's idealistic system created the post-apocalyptic future we see in part 3. My point is therefore valid.

 

[Guntah]

Kaweki's dislike for Naruto's idealistic system created the post-apocalyptic future we see in part 3. My point is therefore valid.

Ignoring the fact that we really don't know if Kawaki himself caused all that other than that one vague mention of him going "this far", do you think Sasuke trying to put the entire world under his unquestioned rule would be met with no death and destruction?

 

[Kakooli]

Ignoring the fact that we really don't know if Kawaki himself caused all that other than that one vague mention of him going "this far", do you think Sasuke trying to put the entire world under his unquestioned rule would be met with no death and destruction?

At the start of the regime, there'd be death and destruction, since his goal was to destroy and rebuild. I doubt we'd have the same level of threats to Sasuke's world as we do in Naruto's currently.

A certain level of ruthlessness is necessary in any leader and Naruto lacks that.

Example:

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A bunch of killer clones with the sharingan just brutally murder their "father" right in front of Naruto's eyes. They also posed a significant threat to the Uchiha and by extension, Konoha. Naruto's solution to the problem? House them in the village.

 

[LoZelda101]

Its good when you say it, but something must be done for him to become and remain as the enemy, meaning that the receiving end of his hatred will suffer. A lot. Because if he is to be the villain, he must remain the villain, he can't just slay the five kage and create a paradise for everyone, he'd be revered by that. People fight back when you mistreat them, the Uchiha proved that much. But Sasuke works under the assumption that people will stop fighting him when they see he is stronger than them and submit, but people repeat their mistakes. Three wars had already happened by the beginning of this series for a reason.

So the final choice is between a (more than likely) temporary peace in between nations and a complete dictatorship with the occasional rebellion. The conflict won't stop, that on itself is human nature, so its all about the lesser evil.

hmm.. @bold is true, I guess that would still technically make another nagato. the difference is the hatred will be aimed at him instead each other but like you said the hatred for sasuke would still make victims thus not solving anything. personally imo I liked sasuke's part about wiping out the bijuus. hashi initially seperated them all to each of the countries as a peacemaker of equal power. (lol BS, since the leaf keeps the strongest of them all) however the problem with it is that them just existing in general is still a threat and cause stone age drama's like what happened to rin where as modern IRL america made a contract for peace that everyone including themselves must destroy and nor create WoMD. you see, we learned from our stone age mistakes, the NV hasn't. but oh, we should just listen to naruto cause he says the bijuus are good now. lol them being good or not were never the issue. god that idiot :lol and look what happened in the boruto movie timeline? someone comes and takes them as a weapon :lol sasuke wasn't the only idiot with a plan.

 

[Guntah]

At the start of the regime, there'd be death and destruction, since his goal was to destroy and rebuild. I doubt we'd have the same level of threats to Sasuke's world as we do in Naruto's currently.

A certain level of ruthlessness is necessary in any leader and Naruto lacks that.

Example:

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A bunch of killer clones with the sharingan just brutally murder their "father" right in front of Naruto's eyes. They also posed a significant threat to the Uchiha and by extension, Konoha. Naruto's solution to the problem? House them in the village.

Exactly, but Naruto has shown that he is capable of making the ruthless choice if the situation arises to that point. Momoshiki wasn't given a second chance when Naruto gave his son the means to eradicate him.

On the flipside, can you imagine Sasuke making the kind choice over the ruthless one?

 

[Guntah]

hmm.. @bold is true, I guess that would still technically make another nagato. the difference is the hatred will be aimed at him instead each other but like you said the hatred for sasuke would still make victims thus not solving anything. personally imo I liked sasuke's part about wiping out the bijuus. hashi initially seperated them all to each of the countries as a peacemaker of equal power. (lol BS, since the leaf keeps the strongest of them all) however the problem with it is that them just existing in general is still a threat and cause stone age drama's like what happened to rin where as modern IRL america made a contract for peace that everyone including themselves must destroy and nor create WoMD. you see, we learned from our stone age mistakes, the NV hasn't. but oh, we should just listen to naruto cause he says the bijuus are good now. lol them being good or not were never the issue. god that idiot :lol and look what happened in the boruto movie timeline? someone comes and takes them as a weapon :lol sasuke wasn't the only idiot with a plan.

Sasuke is by no means an idiot, but he is not a people's person. He doesn't fully understand how the society around him will act to certain ways. He probably expects one big rebellion to happen before that doesn't repeat itself anymore...except it will. Until someone grows strong enough to take him down.

Neither of them are perfect nor permanent solutions. Naruto is by far the more pleasant one, but Sasuke's is sill the one that will last the longest, though how much it would do in terms of stopping conflict from happening again is doubtful.