uchiahjay
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Lets face it, even when naruto had kuruma on his side, its was still arguable that he could beat sasuke, now kuruma has been stripped off him, the battle would have an obvious outcome.
For those who claim sage mode > ems, where was it ever stated or proved?
Many of you would respond with hashirama and kabuto, but lemme clear that up
Let me first begin with this, sage mode and ems are both powers, and a powers utility depends on the user, ie, kabuto had the ability to block his eyes against an uchiah's gengitsu, making tskyoumi pointless, but how will all that save him from obito's kamui, which is clearly an ms tech and does not require any eye contact, i hope you see my point there.
Now lets begin with hashirama sage mode vs madara ems
Hashirama did not kill madara while in sage mode, matter of fact he dint kill madara at all, the final blow was struck when hashirama went of sm, and madara deactivated his ems, which is what i would like to point out.
Hashirama even without sm has a chakra level close to that of a bijuu, madara used the kyuubi to rival that chakra level,
When sm hashi threw the best he had at madara, madara used his susano sword covered with bijuudamas, and both hashi and madara's techs canceled each other out. hashi went out of sage mode due to exchausted sm chakra, on the other hand madara went off ems due to overconfidence, which later proved to be his down fall.
My point here is, at that very moment, a prolonged battle between madara and hashirama would have seen madara as the victor, seeing as he could keep comming with ems techs, and hashi was out of sm chakra.
And lets not forget that madara up until now, never showed that he was able to use amaterasu or tskyoumi, which hashi probabaly does not have a response for.
Kabuto vs uchiah brothers
How does this battle prove that sm >ems?
First of lets start from the fact that the uchiah brothers, did not fight with the intent to kill, which made the fight sloppy and unentertaining
Second, he explained how to counter all ems techs, except for amaterasu, of which sasuke's amaterasu spam is out of control. he also dint give a response to other ms techs like kamui and inzanagi, and inzanami and ka, ka, which is powerful enough to break an edo hold, and powerful enough to be cast even when the user cover's his own eyes.
If it were a fight to the death, sasuke would have roasted kabuto long before he entered the sage mode.
Lets not forget that kabuto had a lot of prep time, im talking about years of studying with oro, before he could come up with a weak defination of immunity to uchiah techniques, given the same prep time an uchiah would study sage mode and come up with counters to it, maybe a speculation, that staying on the defensive for a specific amount of time and stricking when the sage mode wears off is the best strategy.
All in all, how would naruto who has a relatively weaker sage mode than hashi and kabuto, handle sasuke who has faced top class ninja's with ems/ms? Granting him all sorts of experience with the ems
Lets face it, even when naruto had kuruma on his side, its was still arguable that he could beat sasuke, now kuruma has been stripped off him, the battle would have an obvious outcome.
For those who claim sage mode > ems, where was it ever stated or proved?
Many of you would respond with hashirama and kabuto, but lemme clear that up
Let me first begin with this, sage mode and ems are both powers, and a powers utility depends on the user, ie, kabuto had the ability to block his eyes against an uchiah's gengitsu, making tskyoumi pointless, but how will all that save him from obito's kamui, which is clearly an ms tech and does not require any eye contact, i hope you see my point there.
Now lets begin with hashirama sage mode vs madara ems
Hashirama did not kill madara while in sage mode, matter of fact he dint kill madara at all, the final blow was struck when hashirama went of sm, and madara deactivated his ems, which is what i would like to point out.
Hashirama even without sm has a chakra level close to that of a bijuu, madara used the kyuubi to rival that chakra level,
When sm hashi threw the best he had at madara, madara used his susano sword covered with bijuudamas, and both hashi and madara's techs canceled each other out. hashi went out of sage mode due to exchausted sm chakra, on the other hand madara went off ems due to overconfidence, which later proved to be his down fall.
My point here is, at that very moment, a prolonged battle between madara and hashirama would have seen madara as the victor, seeing as he could keep comming with ems techs, and hashi was out of sm chakra.
And lets not forget that madara up until now, never showed that he was able to use amaterasu or tskyoumi, which hashi probabaly does not have a response for.
Kabuto vs uchiah brothers
How does this battle prove that sm >ems?
First of lets start from the fact that the uchiah brothers, did not fight with the intent to kill, which made the fight sloppy and unentertaining
Second, he explained how to counter all ems techs, except for amaterasu, of which sasuke's amaterasu spam is out of control. he also dint give a response to other ms techs like kamui and inzanagi, and inzanami and ka, ka, which is powerful enough to break an edo hold, and powerful enough to be cast even when the user cover's his own eyes.
If it were a fight to the death, sasuke would have roasted kabuto long before he entered the sage mode.
Lets not forget that kabuto had a lot of prep time, im talking about years of studying with oro, before he could come up with a weak defination of immunity to uchiah techniques, given the same prep time an uchiah would study sage mode and come up with counters to it, maybe a speculation, that staying on the defensive for a specific amount of time and stricking when the sage mode wears off is the best strategy.
All in all, how would naruto who has a relatively weaker sage mode than hashi and kabuto, handle sasuke who has faced top class ninja's with ems/ms? Granting him all sorts of experience with the ems
