[Question] How will luffy beat doflamingo?

[OG sama]

Luffy didn't combine gear second with gear third yet, something he could already do pretimeskip, so no, i disagree with the notion we've seen him going all out

You must be talking about gear stacking. That's very interesting because I think it had a drawback pre TS, it may not have one now.

 

[Bogard]

You must be talking about gear stacking. That's very interesting because I think it had a drawback pre TS, it may not have one now.

Yeah the jet shell he used against Asgard Moria was a combination of both modes, but true it had drawbacks in the past. However with 2 years training, the drawback of gear3 disappeared(turning chibi-mode) and he has better control over gear second, both which were the reasons it was affecting him so badly, so i think he can use it perfectly without drawbacks now, but with the cost of a great amount of stamina judging by how conservativ he is now with his gear second, and at best even without it. Either way, it could be a sight to see

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yeah the jet shell he used against Asgard Moria was a combination of both modes, but true it had drawbacks in the past. However with 2 years training, the drawback of gear3 disappeared(turning chibi-mode) and he has better control over gear second, both which were the reasons it was affecting him so badly, so i think he can use it perfectly without drawbacks now, but with the cost of a great amount of stamina judging by how conservativ he is now with his gear second, and at best even without it. Either way, it could be a sight to see

I don't know, I feel like having no drawbacks at all from Gear 2 and 3 stacking is a bit too much. I mean, it took Luffy ten years just to develop his fruit enough to have Gear 2 and 3, I feel like nullifying their effects after 2 years only is a bit of a stretch, pun fully intended. I think it'd be a good idea for Oda to have Gear stacking still have drawbacks, but to a lesser extent. If One Piece truly has at least ten more years, it'd give him a chance to take things at a good pace. If he got rid of the drawbacks right now, he'd have to come up with some other limitation that Luffy overcomes to become stronger. Rather than forcing a new one, he has a perfectly good one to work with now. I get the Strawhats are supposed to be stronger after the two years, but just throwing EVERY weakness or drawback aside is kinda lame

 

[OG sama]

Yeah the jet shell he used against Asgard Moria was a combination of both modes, but true it had drawbacks in the past. However with 2 years training, the drawback of gear3 disappeared(turning chibi-mode) and he has better control over gear second, both which were the reasons it was affecting him so badly, so i think he can use it perfectly without drawbacks now, but with the cost of a great amount of stamina judging by how conservativ he is now with his gear second, and at best even without it. Either way, it could be a sight to see

I think you just figured out Luffys solution to beating DD. I see no reason why this can't happen. Nice observation.

 

[OG sama]

I don't know, I feel like having no drawbacks at all from Gear 2 and 3 stacking is a bit too much. I mean, it took Luffy ten years just to develop his fruit enough to have Gear 2 and 3, I feel like nullifying their effects after 2 years only is a bit of a stretch, pun fully intended. I think it'd be a good idea for Oda to have Gear stacking still have drawbacks, but to a lesser extent. If One Piece truly has at least ten more years, it'd give him a chance to take things at a good pace. If he got rid of the drawbacks right now, he'd have to come up with some other limitation that Luffy overcomes to become stronger. Rather than forcing a new one, he has a perfectly good one to work with now. I get the Strawhats are supposed to be stronger after the two years, but just throwing EVERY weakness or drawback aside is kinda lame

Well he did say it may take a lot of stamina from him. That's not a big drawback but its still one nonetheless.

 

[Olorin]

Luffy's fighting is throwing his destructive power. We haven't seen the full extent of his new speed and endurance, but his durability and strength we have.

just because an attack is very destructive doesn't make it his best attack in a 1v1, you forgot new techniques, we probably don't know all of them either

 

[Punk Hazard]

just because an attack is very destructive doesn't make it his best attack in a 1v1, you forgot new techniques, we probably don't know all of them either

If your style is utilizing brute force like Luffy, then your best move is the one with the most brute force.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Why is everyone stating we haven't seen luffy go all out yet .. same can be implied with doffy we haven't even seen him break a sweat really... Also can be implied with every ****ing character in one piece so why bring the arguement of we haven't seen him go all out yet when it can b applied to everyone

 

[Tomato God]

Red Hawk is not luffy's strongest attack. Red Hawk Gatling is, and unless Dofla can tank that. He is weak.

Red hawk is an evolution of Gomu gomu no bullet. Which has no Jet form. At Least to be seen. Nor can it evolve into a gattling which is an evolution of gomu gomu no pistol.



I made a flow chart to understand better.

---

SECOND GEAR Red hawk​

Bullet <

Riffle​

A basic punch<

Bazzuka ​

Pistol <

Cannon​

Pistol Shot<

Gattling Gun​

---

As for the strongest its not red hawk, its either storm or Gatling gun
While it is still debatable to say with Haki equipped and second gear whether or not Gomu gomu no storm would be better than elephant gatling because before gears Storm was always superior to gattling so after the supplemental technique would be applied Would a
Giant Jet Gomu Gomu no storm With haki out Match a Giant Jet Gomu gomu No Gatling gun with haki equipped for maximum destruction..

And lets not even get into Thor Or Tag team combos. Plus we have gear based supplements. And Haki now to add into the mix. But by pure destruction its definitely a debate between storm and gattling with maxed out gears and haki.


In short there cannot be a Gattling red hawk. And Red hawk is not his strongest technique due to the fact that its a precision killer and wouldn't in a head on collision stand a chance against a giant jet armament storm or gatling.

 

[OG sama]

Red hawk is an evolution of Gomu gomu no bullet. Which has no Jet form. At Least to be seen. Nor can it evolve into a gattling which is an evolution of gomu gomu no pistol.



I made a flow chart to understand better.

---

SECOND GEAR Red hawk​

Bullet <

Riffle​

A basic punch<

Bazzuka ​

Pistol <

Cannon​

Pistol Shot<

Gattling Gun​

---

As for the strongest its not red hawk, its either storm or Gatling gun
While it is still debatable to say with Haki equipped and second gear whether or not Gomu gomu no storm would be better than elephant gatling because before gears Storm was always superior to gattling so after the supplemental technique would be applied Would a
Giant Jet Gomu Gomu no storm With haki out Match a Giant Jet Gomu gomu No Gatling gun with haki equipped for maximum destruction..

And lets not even get into Thor Or Tag team combos. Plus we have gear based supplements. And Haki now to add into the mix. But by pure destruction its definitely a debate between storm and gattling with maxed out gears and haki.


In short there cannot be a Gattling red hawk. And Red hawk is not his strongest technique due to the fact that its a precision killer and wouldn't in a head on collision stand a chance against a giant jet armament storm or gatling.

I'm not understanding. How is it not possible?

 

[Tomato God]

I'm not understanding. How is it not possible?

bullet is up close and Pistol is long range


And those techniques evolved into other ones.

Pistol is throwing his arm
Which turned into him shaking his arm to hit multiple times, meaning gatling is just a fast version of Pistol shot

I.E. Its still just pistol

While Red hawk is just bullet with haki and Gear second equipped
red hawk is just a super bullet. And you cant turn bullet into gatling because gatling is a long range tech (still just pistol just a lot of rapid fire pistol shots)


So even if he did rapid fire redhawks it wouldn't be gatling gatling is long range. bullet is up close

 

[OG sama]

bullet is up close and Pistol is long range


And those techniques evolved into other ones.

Oh that's why, well I hope none of that matters and he uses it in gatling form anyway. Would be pretty cool and he seems to have reached his DFs full potential.

 

[Ryuma720]

Isn't doflamingo too strong for luffy & law right now? He tanked one of luffy's strongest attack and made it look like it didn't hurt him. Law got beat fairly easily as well. Unless the others help luffy I don't see luffy beating him on his own.

Luffy will beat Doflamingo with a new technique.
My prediction is he does a new Gomu move
Maybe extends his Busoshoku Haki kinda like Vergo
4th Gear maybe

It will be cool if he combined Elephant Gatling & Red Hawk together like some Gomu Gomu No Red Elephant Hawk Gatling !!!!

 

[OG sama]

Luffy will beat Doflamingo with a new technique.
My prediction is he does a new Gomu move
Maybe extends his Busoshoku Haki kinda like Vergo
4th Gear maybe

It will be cool if he combined Elephant Gatling & Red Hawk together like some Gomu Gomu No Red Elephant Hawk Gatling !!!!

Should call it Gomu Gomu no meteor shower. That sounds a lot better don't you think? =D

 

[Tomato God]

Luffy will beat Doflamingo with a new technique.
My prediction is he does a new Gomu move
Maybe extends his Busoshoku Haki kinda like Vergo
4th Gear maybe

It will be cool if he combined Elephant Gatling & Red Hawk together like some Gomu Gomu No Red Elephant Hawk Gatling !!!!

It would be gomu gomu grizzle magnum. Because its a gomu gomu bullet times two with gear third second with haki equiped and would have no jet form but still would probably be atleast city busting.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Red Hawk is not luffy's strongest attack. Red Hawk Gatling is, and unless Dofla can tank that. He is weak.

Don't recall seeing Luffy ever use RedHawk Gatling, but if we're just giving powers because he has the basics, then his strongest attack would be Grizzly Redhawk Gatling Gun.

 

[Tomato God]

Don't recall seeing Luffy ever use RedHawk Gatling, but if we're just giving powers because he has the basics, then his strongest attack would be Grizzly Redhawk Gatling Gun.

Still impossible. Gatling is long range and Redhawk is up close as well as Grizzly.

If giving out feats from the capabilities being present his strongest attack would Be Jet Giant Elephant Thor storm.
A flurry of indiscriminate hits of giant elephant rapid fire punches as swell as lightning spewing everywhere.

Actualy just gonna go make a thread about it.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Still impossible. Gatling is long range and Redhawk is up close as well as Grizzly.

If giving out feats from the capabilities being present his strongest attack would Be Jet Giant Elephant Thor storm.
A flurry of indiscriminate hits of giant elephant rapid fire punches as swell as lightning spewing everywhere.

Actualy just gonna go make a thread about it.

I thought Grizzly was just describing a gear 3 and Haki combo, I thought Magnum was the name for his pistol attack in grizzly form.

 

[Tomato God]

I thought Grizzly was just describing a gear 3 and Haki combo, I thought Magnum was the name for his pistol attack in grizzly form.

Iirc
No Grizzly is the opposite of Elephant gun.
Grizzly was the up close thing he did Running at Ceasar jumping into the air and then snapping his duel fist at close range.

Grizzly is up close Gear 3 and haki
Elephant is long range Gear 3 and haki

 

[chopstickchakra]

Iirc
No Grizzly is the opposite of Elephant gun.
Grizzly was the up close thing he did Running at Ceasar jumping into the air and then snapping his duel fist at close range.

Grizzly is up close Gear 3 and haki
Elephant is long range Gear 3 and haki

Oh maybe, I thought Elephant was just Gear 3 but now that I think about it those are just called giant aren't they; giant pistol giant axe giant bell (which we haven't seen, have we seen jet bell for that matter?)