How was Konan's Paper Explosion Supposed to Counter Obito Again?

[NextGenNinja]

Refer to my statement above.

You're misunderstanding here. While it's true he is in a different dimension whenever he gets attacked, he cannot use the teleportation function while intangible. Two uses of that kamui just can't be used at the same time, he needs to be solid in the first place not overlapping as kakashi calls it.

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[Booker]

You're misunderstanding here. While it's true he is in a different dimension whenever he gets attacked, he cannot use the teleportation function while intangible. Two uses of that kamui just can't be used at the same time, he needs to be solid in the first place not overlapping as kakashi calls it.

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No, I think you're missing the point.

The "Intangibility" is just an extension of the teleportation. He teleports the body part which is going to be hit to the Kamui dimension, thus it is never hit in the real world.

So, when he goes "full intangible", what that really means is that he's just teleported his whole body into the Kamui dimension.

 

[Mk4013]

Clearly, someone kamui'd OP's brain out of his head. Half the base already explained it to you brah.

 

[Alastor]

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[LoZelda101]

it literally says it in the manga, like literally her own words in the most detailed way possible.

 

[Booker]

it literally says it in the manga, like literally her own words in the most detailed way possible.

And I already explained why the logic doesn't make sense.

The intangibility is just an extension of the teleportation. He teleports portions of his body that will be hit to the Kamui dimension. Thus, if his entire body were covered by an attack, his entire body would be in the Kamui dimension. From there, why doesn't he just *stay* there and then reappear somewhere else?

 

[Alastor]

No, I think you're missing the point.

The "Intangibility" is just an extension of the teleportation. He teleports the body part which is going to be hit to the Kamui dimension, thus it is never hit in the real world.

So, when he goes "full intangible", what that really means is that he's just teleported his whole body into the Kamui dimension.

That's not how it works. He can either fully teleport his body which is the regular effect of Kamui which Kakashi also has but that makes his body solid for the duration of the teleportation. Or activate the intangibility and make it so that any physical object that comes into contact with him causes that portion of his body to slip into the Kamui dimension. There is no "full intangible". There is only "Intangible" or "Physically present while warping himself or something else". Both are Kamui, but with different effects.

Remember how Madara could not touch Obito because of his intangibility ? But at the same time whenever Obito tried to leave to the Kamui dimension Madara would stop him because his attacks were faster than his warping speed ? That's because he has to stop the intangibility and be solid in order for him to properly jump to the Kamui dimension.

You should read the databook explanation.

 

[Booker]

That's not how it works. He can either fully teleport his body which is the regular effect of Kamui which Kakashi also has but that makes his body solid for the duration of the teleportation. Or activate the intangibility and make it so that any physical object that comes into contact with him causes that portion of his body to slip into the Kamui dimension. There is no "full intangible". There is only "Intangible" or "Physically present while warping himself or something else". Both are Kamui, but with different effects.

Remember how Madara could not touch Obito because of his intangibility ? But at the same time whenever Obito tried to leave to the Kamui dimension Madara would stop him because his attacks were faster than his warping speed ? That's because he has to stop the intangibility and be solid in order for him to properly jump to the Kamui dimension.

You should read the databook explanation.

Right.

So when an attack fully sends his body to the Kamui dimension (IE explosions) why not just stay there, and then warp out to somewhere else?

 

[Alastor]

Right.

So when an attack fully sends his body to the Kamui dimension (IE explosions) why not just stay there, and then warp out to somewhere else?

Because he can't. His body is being sent there due to the overlapping attack activating the intangibility side of the ability which only lasts for 5 minutes. If he deactivates this effect he will automatically stop slipping through the attack and get killed.

 

[Booker]

Because he can't. His body is being sent there due to the overlapping attack activating the intangibility side of the ability which only lasts for 5 minutes. If he deactivates this effect he will automatically stop slipping through the attack and get killed.

So what happens when Obito decides to take a stroll for 5 minutes in the Kamui dimension? We've already seen that movement counts in the Kamui dimension as movement in the real world. As soon as Obito walks out of the explosion, he's safe.

Which is my logic from the begining. He can transition in the Kamui dimension regardless of what's going on in the real world.

 

[NextGenNinja]

No, I think you're missing the point.

The "Intangibility" is just an extension of the teleportation. He teleports the body part which is going to be hit to the Kamui dimension, thus it is never hit in the real world.

So, when he goes "full intangible", what that really means is that he's just teleported his whole body into the Kamui dimension.

You could've used this to support your argument better.

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Anyways, i'm guessing there's a very small interval between each explosion from the paper bombs so he'd probably be switching back and forth constantly until the intangibility wears off in five minutes. Pretty much making it impossible for him to teleport in the kamui dimension. If not then yeah, it's plothole.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Except this has been contradicted by the logic of the technique itself. His intangibility is just an extension of his warping; whichever part is about to get hit goes into the Kamui dimension. Thus, if his entire body is covered, his entire body is in the Kamui dimension. At that point, he's already warped into the Kamui dimension via the intangibility.

The question becomes; if he's already completely warped there, why doesn't he warp out somewhere else?

I understand Kishi's explanation, it just doesn't hold up.

You some kind of idiot? Tobi can only use one of the abilities at a time, the intangibility, or the warp. If he wants to warp, he has to cancel the intangibility, and then warp! Common sense!
He can't warp while he's intangible because, obviously, he has to cancel the intangibility before he can activate the warp jutsu. If he cancels the intangibility, he get's blown to pieces before he can complete the warp, but if he stays intangible, he can only do so for five minutes, and the explosion lasted ten minutes. Again, COMMON SENSE!

 

[Darkakatsuki]

And I already explained why the logic doesn't make sense.

The intangibility is just an extension of the teleportation. He teleports portions of his body that will be hit to the Kamui dimension. Thus, if his entire body were covered by an attack, his entire body would be in the Kamui dimension. From there, why doesn't he just *stay* there and then reappear somewhere else?

Because he can't stay there dumb ass! It's a temporary teleportation, you would think the 5 minute time limit makes that 'temporary' part kind of obvious. And he can't warp in that state coz he can't use two jutsu at the same time with one eye, so he has to cancel the other to use the other, hence he becomes tangible before he can warp.

I would understand if he had both eyes and you asked that question, then maybe he could have used the one eye for intangibility and the other for warping, and do what you sayin he should have done, but he didn't have both eyes.

 

[Guntah]

The two variations of the Kamui (Teleportation and Intangibility) are the same jutsu in the same as Chidori and Rakiri are the same jutsu. That is the best way I can put it.