How to properly rank Naruto characters – common mistakes and pitfalls

[ItachiStyle]

I'll respond to the things you said that were substantive (and not "I disagree").
1. Sage mode takes time, that's how it's been presented consistently thus far, and that's why it's no surprise that when Kabuto needed to go into it, it took him time.
2) You claim that the medallion will prevent Hashirama/Madara overriding Edo Tensei. There is no evidence of that. We're basically being presented with "Hashirama and Madara can override it, period". Once you activate them to go fight, you're boned. Sure, you can never activate them, but then they're useless in a fight. And even Tobirama says "this time we can override you", because last time they weren't revived at full strength. Nor do Edo Tensei's seem to be summoned un-tagged anyway.

If Oro wants to get Hashi in a fight, he has to prove he can actually control him first (ditto Kabuto with Madara).

 

[Waltz]

I'll respond to the things you said that were substantive (and not "I disagree").
1. Sage mode takes time, that's how it's been presented consistently thus far, and that's why it's no surprise that when Kabuto needed to go into it, it took him time.

Apparently your also not detailed on how Sage-mode works. To enter sage mode, one must absorb Natural energy (shizen Enerugi) and balance it with their own spiritual and Physical chakra. Kabuto has already attained balance from training at the Ryuchido. When naruto runs out of natrual energy he needs to rejuvenate it hence, he gathers more. Kabuto has the natural (meaning, without performing action) ability to absorb natural energy as stated,

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2) You claim that the medallion will prevent Hashirama/Madara overriding Edo Tensei. There is no evidence of that. We're basically being presented with "Hashirama and Madara can override it, period". Once you activate them to go fight, you're boned. Sure, you can never activate them, but then they're useless in a fight. And even Tobirama says "this time we can override you", because last time they weren't revived at full strength. Nor do Edo Tensei's seem to be summoned un-tagged anyway. If Oro wants to get Hashi in a fight, he has to prove he can actually control him first (ditto Kabuto with Madara).

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. Orochimaru's talismans completely eliminated the personalities of the summoned, turning them into mindless killing machines under his command. Kabuto prefers to use a weaker controlling talisman on certain individuals, allowing them to retain some degree of their own personality. The latter method is useful for psychological warfare. However, Don't be fooled by the power displayed by hashirama in current chapters, the only reason they didn't come in coffins was because their body-seaking-souls were raw in the Un-pure World. Madara never received a talisman, hence why he was able to do as he pleased. Kabuto was interested to see what he was fully capable of as i quote:

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[ItachiStyle]

He needs stillness to actually enter Sage Mode, otherwise he doesn't get the benefits of Sage mode which people attribute to him in fights. And to enter Sage mode, he needs to be still and gather energy, which is why he was hiding in those snakes to gather energy (while the Snakes did the dodging for him). Not a fast process at all.

Kabuto sometimes shut off the personalities of his guys too, just that it required more energy for him to be completely controlling his summons. Madara has a talisman as far as we know, same as the others (who we never saw it installed for, yet still had their personalities scrubbed when Kabuto deemed it necessary). As far as we know, Hashirama and Madara can just override it... period. Your interpretation is yours to make, but it's not clear in the manga that it holds. Until Oro/Kabuto prove it, they don't it it. That's how feats work.

 

[Waltz]

He needs stillness to actually enter Sage Mode, otherwise he doesn't get the benefits of Sage mode which people attribute to him in fights. And to enter Sage mode, he needs to be still and gather energy, which is why he was hiding in those snakes to gather energy (while the Snakes did the dodging for him). Not a fast process at all.

Kabuto sometimes shut off the personalities of his guys too, just that it required more energy for him to be completely controlling his summons. Madara has a talisman as far as we know, same as the others (who we never saw it installed for, yet still had their personalities scrubbed when Kabuto deemed it necessary). As far as we know, Hashirama and Madara can just override it... period. Your interpretation is yours to make, but it's not clear in the manga that it holds. Until Oro/Kabuto prove it, they don't it it. That's how feats work.

You cannot convince me with your baseless assumptions when the manga has already provided an explanation for itself. Are you that dull to not realize that kabuto doesn't need to stay still and gather chakra because his body constantly absorbs it? Needless to say, your unable to prove via the manga that Madara had a talisman implanted...it was never stated nor implied. Why are you making things up?

 

[ItachiStyle]

You cannot convince me with your baseless assumptions when the manga has already provided an explanation for itself. Are you that dull to not realize that kabuto doesn't need to stay still and gather chakra because his body constantly absorbs it? Needless to say, your unable to prove via the manga that Madara had a talisman implanted...it was never stated nor implied. Why are you making things up?

The Talisman is supposed to override your will, but we've already seen 2 examples of it explicitly not working (Hanzo overriding it and Koto overriding it). I don't question that it is supposed to override your personality, in the same way that Edo Tensei is supposed to allow the user to simply "turn off" or "control absolutely" the summons (like Kabuto did with the Hidden Stone's sensor and many others), but whether it works the way it is meant to on Hashi or Madara is unclear. It seems Hashirama can just override it. Whether a tag will work on Hashi remains to be seen, and until I see evidence of it working, he doesn't have a feat for controlling Hashirama, no more than Kabuto does for Madara. It's also part of the "no feat limit" I discuss above. You can tell me "the kid can turn anyone into a table, so he can turn Galactus into one", but I'm going to want more than a statement of how it is supposed to work before I grant it that sort of power to someone who is portrayed as totally beyond everyone else, and who can also laugh off Edo Tensei itself (which not even guys like Nagato can do).

 

[Waltz]

The Talisman is supposed to override your will, but we've already seen 2 examples of it explicitly not working (Hanzo overriding it and Koto overriding it). I don't question that it is supposed to override your personality, in the same way that Edo Tensei is supposed to allow the user to simply "turn off" or "control absolutely" the summons (like Kabuto did with the Hidden Stone's sensor and many others), but whether it works the way it is meant to on Hashi or Madara is unclear. It seems Hashirama can just override it. Whether a tag will work on Hashi remains to be seen, and until I see evidence of it working, he doesn't have a feat for controlling Hashirama, no more than Kabuto does for Madara. It's also part of the "no feat limit" I discuss above. You can tell me "the kid can turn anyone into a table, so he can turn Galactus into one", but I'm going to want more than a statement of how it is supposed to work before I grant it that sort of power to someone who is portrayed as totally beyond everyone else, and who can also laugh off Edo Tensei itself (which not even guys like Nagato can do).

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Once the talisman is implanted Kabuto increases Control at will:

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Psycological effect, personality and memory is completely erased:

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Orochiamru​

Orochimaru's Talisman, proof that it works on hashirama:

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Permanently locks off personality:

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I've already shown canonical proof that Kabuto had madara separate from the other edo's and not only wanted to see his power but to assist him in his plans. The Manga is crystal clear.

 

[Zexion~]

lmao never judge me again OmG hilarious

 

[ItachiStyle]

"Joey the mutant has the power to turn anyone into a chair! He's unstoppable."

I know what Kabuto tells us. I also know Edo Tensei was also said to be unescapable, and we know how that turned out. Oro has to prove he can actually bind Hashi with a talisman before we give him that feat, especially with how Hashi just laughed off the supposedly almighty Edo Tensei control.

You seem to think repeating what Edo Tensei is supposed to do is meaningful. It's not, because Hashirama wasn't supposed to be able to do what he is currently doing either. He is.

 

[Waltz]

"Joey the mutant has the power to turn anyone into a chair! He's unstoppable."

I know what Kabuto tells us. I also know Edo Tensei was also said to be unescapable, and we know how that turned out. Oro has to prove he can actually bind Hashi with a talisman before we give him that feat, especially with how Hashi just laughed off the supposedly almighty Edo Tensei control.

You seem to think repeating what Edo Tensei is supposed to do is meaningful. It's not, because Hashirama wasn't supposed to be able to do what he is currently doing either. He is.

Now your beginning to sound ridiculous, something you

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[DemonicAvenger]

Stop reading after seeing Itachi at #4

 

[ItachiStyle]

No idea what you think that scan proves, since that was a version of Hashirama that had a fraction of his power. Meaningless.

"A sealing jutsu stops all movement... until Sasuke just powered up and broke Danzo's seal like a twig... so yeh, I guess it doesn't always".

After Hashirama showing us he could snap Edo Tensei like a twig we're going to need to see actual evidence of Oro being able to control him with a tag before we grant it to him.

 

[BigBlade Master]

Troll thread, you did you'r post with a lot of fanboyism.

 

[SasukeNamikaze]

Itachi at 4?

Done......

 

[Dannyd416]

you underated Kabuto. He is acctually pretty strong. Stronger than Orochimaru. Lol he calls himself a Dragon Sage. But technically didn't Itachi beat Nagato when he sealed him? (I guess he did have help though.)

 

[nakumaru]

Can a thread contain anymore fail?