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Madara+Rinnegan or Hashi are the only two that can beat him IMO
How to beat itachi ?
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to be a perfect Ninja means to be a tool with no emotions whatsoever...Itachi is strong but he isn't a perfect Ninja...after all, he let Sasuke live because he loves his little brother...so, no...Itachi is not a perfect Ninja...
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1. actually it makes more sense for Jiraiya to summon Ma and Pa first, they have the perfect counter for an invisible enemy, who Jiraiya was struggling with at the moment, and why would he not summon them when he clearly said to Gamaken he was about to summon them? after the contract, you need chakra to summon toads, you need Sage Chakra to summon Sage Toads, which part of it makes less sense than "he didn't want to?". until you prove someone has summoned the Sage Toads without Sage Chakra, your claim is baseless as well as narrow minded and a bit of a stretch.
2. Obito let Minato grab Naruto on purpose so he could separate them from Kushina, that's barely even a speed feat, Itachi had great speed feat since age 13-14 and showed great speed in every battle since then, backed up with a 5/5 speed in the databook, there's no feats showing Minato without FTG any faster than base Itachi, Itachi also has Sharingan which makes it easier to follow Minato's linear movements.
Minato's Kunai requires more space than a normal once, there's no way Minato can carry more Kunai than Itachi can, matching the enemy kunai for kunai is never a problem for Itachi, against anyone, ground seals don't matter, they can't move, it would be a waste of chakra.
3. tagging people isn't hand seal feat, it doesn't require hand seal, but it requires touching people. what makes you think Minato would get the chance to touch Itachi. it's been heavily hinted tagging during battle either require a good amount of chakra or the seal isn't permanent, or both, that's why he had to prepare those kunais with special yellow paper seals on them, instead of jus using normal kunai and tagging them before throwing. Itachi has one of the fastest hand seal speed that gives him huge advantage in close to midrange battles, easily distract opponent with a quick attack in between.
4. that's why I said Itachi has better taijutsu feats, I don't know if Minato is better than Itachi at taijutsu or not, but as for now, Itachi has shown to be the better one, no advantage for Minato there, point made.
5. Ribcage Susanoo protects the entire body, the visible chakra acts as defense, bones acts as support, that's why A had to break the bones to get to Sasuke while attacking with his hand. why would a jutsu with a "gap" tank an attack like Kirin?
Minato can throw all his kunai at Itachi at once, none will get close to Itachi, here's the manga panel proof:
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why would a stationary seal marking matter to Itachi, when Minato can't force Itachi to move, and when Itachi moves, he moves as fast as Minato without FTG.
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7. Itachi lands hit on him the same way he always lands hit on people, by deceiving and then surprise attack while enemy being distracted. I already gave you the reasons why ur battle strategy does not work on Itachi, Kunai countered with better Kunai skills, so no FTG or lvl 2 through Kunai that's gonna concern Itachi, taijutsu countered with better taijutsu, so no FTG through body tagging should concern Itachi, intelligence countered with better intelligence, so no surprise attack or outplanning Itachi. so where's the bad match up for Itachi?
How to beat itachi??? Sasuke did it..... Manga proof what do you want?? If you read the manga sasuke did it....
And itachi beat nagato in 2 sec and solo??? Lol lol lol......proof it what chapter......or i need to reread again or you need to open your eyes and reread again......you hail to hight for itachi.......
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There is not a single known method on how to defeat Itachi.
Value your life and existence and simply give up.
Value your life and existence and simply give up.
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1. By bringing Ma and Pa into the battlefield before he entered SM, he put them in harms way. Again, it's possible that in order for Sage Toads to fuse, you need to be in SM first. Why would he summon them when clearly they wouldn't be of any use until after he entered SM because their purpose is to help stabilize the SM chakra. You saw how his first toad was struggling as is. Ma and Pa would've been in danger just waiting for Jiraiya to gather sage chakra
2. Obito was clearly about to stab Naruto. Saying he let Minato grab him is stupid. Even after the feat, Obito complimented him on being so fast. Why would he do that if his plan was simply just to let Minato grab Naruto in the first place? And your databook reference makes no sense. Itachi having 5/5 speed does not mean he's as fast as Minato. The databook rankings only go up to level 5, but Minato, who is clearly the fastest ninja in the manga, is only 5/5 too? as is Raikage, who is slower than Minato but faster than Itachi. You are reaching desperately at this point. Itachi has shown no speed feat that matches saving Naruto from an incoming kunai at point blank range. Until you show me that, you have no argument here. And as Lee said, having sharingan doesn't mean anything if you aren't fast enough to counter the movements. And you underestimate how many kunai Minato can carry. He has been shown to take out entire armies with his kunai+FTG combo. And setting the seals don't require chakra, so no it's not a waste. Where are you getting your information? If Minato has seals on the ground as well as the kunai seals, Itachi has too much to watch out for at once. What is to stop Minato from luring Itachi back near a seal that he has placed on the battlefield ground? The more seals he places the less floor space Itachi has. It's simple.
3. It has NEVER been hinted that Minato's seals require chakra to set. You are now beginning to make totally baseless claims just because you have no real manga evidence to back any of this up. You were the one that tried to bring up Itachi's taijutsu feats. And I'm saying that it would be foolish to battle someone who can place something as dangerous as a FTG seal on you in a taijutsu battle. One counter from Minato could lead to contact that would spell demise for Itachi. You brought up taijutsu not me. I'm just simply showing you the foolishness of that approach. And no attack Itachi has is going to be a match for Minato's reflexes and speed. He's the fastest character in the manga with the best reaction timing. On top of that, he's a genius just like Minato. In fact, Jiraiya praised him and said there was no genius like him since, which would include Itachi since Itachi is younger. You underestimate Minato's intelligence. You aren't just going to catch him with a distraction.
4. Like I said before, it would stupid to fight Minato in a taijutsu battle. Hand to hand combat with him is asking to be tagged with FTG seal which I proved can be done instantly. point made. Minato has the advantage clearly when it comes to a taijutsu battle
5. It was the angle at which Raikage was attacking. He was trying to break directly through Susanoo, ofcorse that's not going to work. Even if ribcage susanoo is enough to protect him, that still doesn't change the fact that all Minato would have to do then is focus his attention on the ribcages or the chakra surrounding Itachi rather than look at Itachi's body. To use Susanoo means to give his opponent something to look at besides himself, which means they are avoiding his visual genjutsu.
And your picture further proves my point. Notice there are shuriken that are near Itachi. There are also shuriken that are directly between him and Sasuke. This proves that Itachi isn't fast enough to keep all of them away from him at that distance. Because if he were then most of the kunai would be near Sasuke, and there wouldn't be any near Itachi since Itachi. But the fact that there is a trail of them leading directly from Sasuke right on up to Itachi, proves that some of Sasuke's shuriken managed to get close and Itachi blocked it only a short distance away from his body. Otherwise those shuriken right by his body would end up hitting him, but since they didn't we know they were blocking Sasuke's, which also had to be close to him. The thing you are failing to realize (or you just don't want to admit) is that Minato can TELEPORT to his marked kunai, thus the closer his kunai get, he can then teleport himself and shorten the distance between him and Itachi. If he does that, he can then start to throw more kunai from an even shorter distance, making it even harder for Itachi to keep all of them soundly getting to close. You can even see on your pic that there is an impact bubble that shows where the kunai hit one another. It's only a few inches away from Itachi. If Minato teleports to that spot and starts throwing more, Itachi wont have the time to match him with kunai, he'll have to move. Like I said, Itachi can't match Minato kunai for kunai, because Minato has the edge since he teleports to his. Thank you for posting that page and proving me right.
6. Are you really that dense? You do realize at this time that Minato was still a taboo subject and people rarely brought up that subject to him right? He didn't know Minato was his dad yet. So how do you know Pa wasn't doing what everyone else has done the entire manga before that and just avoid the subject with Naruto? Also it doesn't matter if he has SM, because my point is that he can summon Ma and Pa to do that Paralysis genjutsu on Itachi. Which you have not proven that he can't, so stop trying to focus avoid the direct issue
7. Again, you are not just going to surprise Minato. I already gave you reasons why your arguments lack base. You proved with your own pic that Itachi can't keep the kunai away from him. He can block them yes, but he can't stop them from getting close to him, and since Minato can teleport each time he throws one and shorten the distance, it's impossible to use this method against him and expect to win, so no he doesn't have better kunai skills. Minato can tag you with a seal instantly, so taijutsu is a stupid way to fight him, so no Itachi doesn't have better taijutsu either. Jiraiya said no genius like Minato since Minato was born, so your better intelligence argument tanks according to the manga. The bad match up is clear. I'm sorry but you are letting your fanboysim get the better of you.
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over powered him.. cuz itachi is very good at genjutsu, good at taijutsu & ninjutsu..
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1. why does Jiraiya has to fuse with them to summon them? why can't Ma and Pa help Jiraiya the same way they were helping out Naruto? Ma and Pa has Toad Sage Strength, multiple elemental jutsu and perfect way to counter an invisible summoning, how is that not n any use? and to prove your false claim:
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2. if Obito didn't plan to let Minato grab Naruto, why would he put the explosive tags on Naruto? and how else do you think Obito was planning to seperate Minato from Kushina? who said Itachi has 5/5 speed has anything to do with Minato? it means he's fast, it's Minato who needs proof that his base speed is as fast as Itachi's, since he barely has any legit speed feats. saving a baby which Obito planned for him to, is not an impressive speed feat, he only jumped the distance of a room, while Itachi has jumped greater distance than that many times in battle against Kurenai, Killer Bee and Naruto. Lee's statement only holds true when the Sharingan user is a lot slower than the taijutsu user, while Itachi is just as fast as base Minato, of course Sharingan gives him an advantage. it doesn't matter how many Kunais Minato can carry, Itachi can always carry more, because normal kunais take less space. If Minato has ground seals, Itachi can simply move a little further from it, once there's a distance there no need to watch out for a ground tag, and if Minato doesn't have better taijutsu, offensive ninjutsu nor kunai skills than Itachi, how is he planning to lure Itachi to anywhere? the more seals Minato places on the ground the easier for Itachi to use Amaterasu to get rid of all of the Kunais at once.
3. any jutsu requires chakra, that's common sense, why would Minato's seal not require chakra? how would Minato place a FTG seal on Itachi if he can't beat Itachi in taijutsu? Minato would get a kunai to the throat before he gets the chance to touch Itachi fully and place a seal on him in a taijutsu battle. Itachi's reaction is just as good as Minato, FTG is a fairly simple jutsu to be figured out, Itachi is the master of deceiving people, it's more likely for Itachi to surprise attack Minato than the opposite to happen. You aren't just going to catch Minato with a distraction, but this is a distraction from Itachi we talking about.
4. plz tell me how Minato would get a chance to tag Itachi if Itachi is better at taijutsu, Killer Bee with 7 swords can't even touch Itachi, how would Minato get to do it?
5. I did not even bring up Itachi's genjutsu yet, let's not go there, if Minato can't gain upper hand on Itachi without bringing genjutsu in the convo, then Minato getting caught with a genjutsu is just a matter of time, Minato has made eye contact with a MS user many times in the manga.
first of all how do you know those shiruken near Itachi aren't his own reflected back, 2nd of all Minato doesn't have the luxury to summon Kunai from his wrist like Sasuke does, making him throwing kunais a lot slower and less in number, 3rd what's the maximum number of FTG Kunai Minato has thrown at once, with an aim, yes 1, that's it. what you failing to realize, is that there's no way Itachi letting Minato's kunai getting anywhere near him, not only Minato can't throw kunai as frequent as Sasuke, also if Itachi wants to keep distance from a dropped Kunai, he can simply jump back, even if he doesn't, Minato teleporting to a throwing kunai towards Itachi gets very predictable, it will put himself in danger for a counter attack from Itachi. I don't know why u always make Itachi sound like a stationary object, and let's say after a few kunai/shuriken exchanges, Minato got a Kunai near Itachi, he teleports to Itachi's "blindspot", it is very likely there will be a shadow clone made during the kunai exchange waiting for Minato to stab him already, just like during the Sasuke fight.
6. lol u are the one who said Minato has SM, so now you can't come up with an explanation on why Pa only mentioned Jiraiya and Naruto, you use "taboo" as ur excuse lol, why did Kakashi "taboo" the subject while Naruto was training for FRS? but I'm okay with it if u don't wanna talk about Minato can use SM or not, my point is to summon the 2 Sage Toads you need to use Sage Chakra, the manga facts are on my side, try to prove me wrong.
7. prove me Minato can throw kunai as frequent as Sasuke did in that panel, then I will say Itachi doesn't have better kunai skills. with FTG lvl2 out of the question, prove me how Minato tags someone hand to hand without taijutsu, then I will say Itachi doesn't have better taijutsu than him. n when it comes to intelligent you bring up hype, Jiraiya could be biased and how does it compare to "reason at Hokage's level at age 7"? actually the Ninja Academy teacher's statement about Itachi being the best student the Academy had is enough when it comes to this.
all ur arguments have been flawed, still not seeing the bad match up.
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You addressed none of my counter arguments while simply continuing to spit baseless claims.
1. If Jiraiya would've brought them into the battle before he entered SM, they would be fending for themselves against pain while he would be helpless to assist because in order to enter SM he has to stay still. Ma and Pa help him to stabilize his sage chakra, they don't help him to enter SM. Just like with Naruto. They taught him how to gather nature chakra on his own FIRST. Then Pa suggested afterwards that he and Ma could fuse with them to help him keep SM active if only he didn't have the fox. Which is why I say it probably takes Sage chakra to fuse with the them together, that doesn't imply that it takes Sage chakra to summon them. It would make no sense to bring them into the battle and in harms way before they could serve their purpose. Do you not remember that Pa DIED against pain when he was actually in the fight without being fused with someone?
2. You completely ignored everything I said in this point because you know I'm right. Minato can TELEPORT with his seals. And I already proved that he carries a lot of them. By throwing a kunai then teleporting to it then throwing another one, he's inching closer and closer to Itachi every time. Eventually he'll get too close to Itachi and Itachi will have to dodge him. And if Minato has MULTIPLE ground seals scattered about, he'll have to watch where he steps because he doesn't want to get caught trying to dodge and accidentally jumping near a ground seal. Itachi probably does have more kunai and shuriken than Minato, that doesn't change the fact that Minato has the ability to utilize them better because of his teleportation. So you have lost the argument there completely.
3. It requires chakra to use the FTG, not to place the seals. Minato can place as many seals as he wants. Clearly he can do that because otherwise he wouldn't have so many pre-equip FTG seals on hand. He only uses chakra when he actually does FTG. Placing the seals have no effect on his chakra. He can place as many as he wants. Minato is the fastest ninja in Naruto with the best reflexes of any ninja we've seen. Including Itachi. Itachi is not going to just hit him with a kunai in the throat. Minato was praised for his reflexes, Itachi has never been. So you saying his reaction is just as good as the fastest ninja in Naruto is ridiculous. Just stop with that all together. If Itachi tries to strike Minato in hand to hand combat and Minato simply BLOCKS with his hand, once his hand makes contact with any part of Itachi's body Itachi will be tagged. You think it's more likely for Itachi to catch him off guard because that's what you want to happen. It's more likely for Minato to catch him off guard because he is the faster ninja. Itachi's speed feats do not compare, nor do his reflexes. It takes reflexes to know when to activate FTG. Minato dodged Raikage's high speed at point blank range. Never in your life say that Itachi has just as good reaction. He's never been shown to do anything that fast. Fail
4. I answered this in number 3. If Minato simply blocks an incoming punch or kick from Itachi, which we've seen happen before, Itachi will be tagged. End of story
5. Minato's trademark in war was throwing multiple kunai into enemy ranks and taking them all out at once. So your argument about him not having multiple kunai is fail. He dodged Raikage at point blank range, the second fastest ninja in naruto. Itachi isn't going to catch him with a shadow clone. Minato's reaction is too good. Eventually Minato will get the upper hand unless Itachi uses Susanoo, which like I said, if he does that then there goes his genjutsu advantage. In your strange mind you keep trying to match Itachi's speed and reflexes with Minato's when Itachi has done nothing comparable to Minato. Give it up. Regardless of how "predictable" you think it may get, Itachi isn't nearly fast enough to handle FTG level 2. And like I said, no matter how good your eyes are, if your opponent isn't fast enough it doesn't matter
6. No you are smart one that said "Minato needs SM to summon the toads". That's what started all of this. And then you claimed that manga says he can't have it due to his lack of chakra reserves. I wasn't going to point this out but do you remember how the 3 ninja struggled to do FTG on the Mizukage and commented on how insane the amount of chakra it took to do this ONCE was? Minato does this at will. Thus proving your lame argument wrong that he didn't have the chakra reserves to learn SM. And since he's jiraiya's pupil and clearly had the reserves for nature chakra, chances are he learned it. Even if he didn't, that still does not prove you need it to summon Ma and Pa. Case Closed
7. You commented on me not the other way around. I presented an arugment, and you've done nothing to prove your claims. All you've said is I don't agree. I could care less about your personal opinion, so I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. But I have come with more manga evidence to support my claims than you have and I even turned one of yours around. Like I said people have already repped me saying either I proved my point or you are just arguing because you are low on manga facts. It's over
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1. fail, Ma and Pa helped Naruto during his battle with Pain without fused together, why can't they do the same with Jiraiya. and what does the fact Pa died has to do with anything, Ma and Pa fused with Jiraiya, Jiraiya died, Ma and Pa didn't fuse with Naruto, Pain died, I don't see ur point here.
2. lmfao what makes you think Minato would teleport to the thrown seals safely? once he starts repeating it Itachi can simply attack at the location of the Kunai, very very bad strategy, pretty sure Minato is smart enough to know better than that. Itachi has more Kunai and Shuriken than Minato and he uses them with better skills, no FTG Kunai is getting anywhere near Itachi and any stupid moves such as teleporting to a kunai that Itachi is staring at directly as u suggest would be fatal. So you have lost the argument there completely.
3. then what is the seal made of? Minato's piss? I don't think so, looks like its made of chakra, and no chakra required LOL. the fact Minato had to pre-equip FTG seals shows the fact it requires chakra, or else he can just use a regular kunai and tag them as he grabs them, common sense man. Minato has never shown better reflexes than Itachi, and he had bad reflexes a few times:
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this is ur so called "best reflexes in the manga", it was stated A while in his lightning armor has reflexes matches Minato, but he had to go lvl2 to dodge Amaterasu, Sage Naruto has more precised anticipation than 3rd Raikage in his lightning armor, ur claim of Minato's reflexes are completely baseless, his best reflexes feat was reacting to a straight punch of A, the same thing even likes of Juugo and Suigetsu could manage, while Itachi has one of the best reflexes feat in the manga, activate Susanoo before Kirin hits, which was said to be "instant". Big fail for you right there.
4. another fail, if Minato can block Itachi's taijutsu with his finger and palm, that means if he had a kunai in his hand instead, he could inflict wound on Itachi through taijutsu the same way he blocks Itachi with his finger, it will only happen when Minato's taijutsu is better than Itachi's, which is clearly not the case, on top of that Minato is being handicapped during a taijutsu battle because he can't look at Itachi's eye, tagging him is almost impossible through taijutsu battle. if Itachi is the one initiating taijutsu battle, Minato better have a kunai in his hand or he's gonna get sliced wide open, if Minato is the one intiating taijutsu battle, sure he ain't touching Itachi, Killer Bee couldn't even do it, and if he's not careful, this will happen:
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5. from manga evidence, Minato actually had his comrades throwing the kunai for him, he has only shown throwing 1 FTG kunai at a time with aim, in manga, which is put to shame by Itachi's kunai feats. and I already showed why ur claim of "Minato's reaction is too good" is false with manga evidence. in ur straight mind you are trying to convince urself Minato's speed and reflexes are above Itachi's, in fact by feats Itachi is actually the better one, give it up. no need to worry bout FTG level 2, no kunai gets near Itachi, again, stands true until you prove Minato having much better reflexes and much better speed.
6. Minato needs SM to summon the toads is actually a counter argument against ur baseless claim "Minato can summon Ma and Pa", SM is required, Minato does not have SM, therefore Minato cannot summon the toads, simple n straight forward, Pa mentions Jiraiya and Naruto, while leaving Minato out in the large chakra reserve convo, what's ur excuses again? what does 3 ninja doing FTG have anything to do with chakra reserve, it's a S-ranked technique, 3 special Jounin fodder don't have the skills to master it, simple as that, FTG is reverse summoning, how much chakra does it take to summon an object that's the size of a human? plus it's not like Genma and them got tired after performing FTG, it has nothing to do with chakra reserve. "since he's Jiraiya's pupil and clearly had the reserves for nature chakra, chances are he learned it", sounds like you are talking about Nagato over here. Show me one time where the 2 Sage Toads were summoned without Sage chakra, then you can close ur case.
7. I actually had all my facts from the manga, was just too lazy to find the actual panel, now if you insist, I will make sure I find the manga scan to show how false ur baseless claims are, just like the "Minato reflexes" in this one. but sounds like you weren't getting much facts from the manga either, just arguing based on ur "personal opinion", of course you feel like you don't need to prove anything, you can't anyways.
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anyone who voted for He's solo king and he doesn't have weak points is a troll or a terrible fanboy
I think it's safe to say his stamina isn't the best
the best strategy is simply: don't get hit by any of his one-panel troll techs and force him to keep up Susanoo => run out of chakra
I think it's safe to say his stamina isn't the best
the best strategy is simply: don't get hit by any of his one-panel troll techs and force him to keep up Susanoo => run out of chakra
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Dont forget everyone that:
Itachi can never use Susano, Totsuka blade, and Yata Mirror anymore because he has lost the light in his eyes.
You need both MS eyes to activate Susano. He will be edo'd missing 1 eye.
Him losing the light of the Sharingan prior to his second death because of using a forbiden technique Izanami is connected to his soul.
Every edo was revived at the level/condition that they died!
Itachi can never use Susano, Totsuka blade, and Yata Mirror anymore because he has lost the light in his eyes.
You need both MS eyes to activate Susano. He will be edo'd missing 1 eye.
Him losing the light of the Sharingan prior to his second death because of using a forbiden technique Izanami is connected to his soul.
Every edo was revived at the level/condition that they died!
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The fact that Pa died fending for himself but survived when he was fused with Jiraiya suggests that his success rate of keeping his life is increased if he is attached to a host through fusion. The one instance in the manga where Pa was left to fend for himself, he lost his life. The one instance where he was fused with another ninja, he survived. And this was against the same opponent, who he had figured out the second time yet still he lost his life and the only difference then was HE WAS NOT FUSED. Therefore it became much harder for him to be under the protection of Naruto. If Jiraiya had summoned him (and Ma) before he could fuse with them, it is clear that the chances of them dying would've been increased. Pa was long dead well before Naruto killed pain for good. So again, based on what we've seen from the manga, he would've been of help yes, but at the cost of his life due to lack of protection. /discussion
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I showed you awhile ago that Minato can teleport ANYWHERE within the radius of his seal. He does not have to teleport to the exact same location everytime, and again his reflexes are too good just to be hit with a kunai. You keep spewing Itachi's reflex feats but I've seen none.
And about your so called "evidence" of bad reflexes from Minato, the 1st one isn't of him having bad reflexes, the very next page after the one you posted shows him teleporting out of it before the chains even get a chance to secure him. He escaped that in a flash, again showing how GOOD his reflexes are.
The second picture again shows how GOOD his reflexes are. You see he is focused solely on Raikage. He had someone as fast as Raikage caught off guard, and then the tentacle is coming from the side. Minato isn't even looking in that direction, yet was able to react to it and cut the tentacle. You can clearly see that his knee was firmly positioned on Raikage's back, but when Bee came in with his tentacle, you can see that Minato jumped up to avoid any contact because his legs are suddenly elevated higher than what they were before, indicating that he pushed off of Raikage and cut the tentacle when he realized something was coming his direction. Otherwise his legs would've still been under him because Bee simply pushed Raikage out the way, which means that if Minato hadn't noticed something was heading his way then his legs should've still been under him, but he was fast enough to notice something was coming his direction even though he didn't see what it was, push off of Raikage and avoid possible damage, and cut the tentacle. Oh and he also managed to tag him all in that same instant as Raikage points out here:
Raikage even apologizes to killer b for being caught off guard in the first place. How is that showing bad reflexes? Lol you keep failing yourself so hard
This is the page right before that one. You see in the first panel that not only is Raikage at point blank range, but Minato is holding a kunai in his hand. On that same page you see after dodging the attack when the lightning armor was basically touching his nose, he then threw the kunai that was in his hand at Raikage, who was still moving at full speed. He managed to not only throw the kunai right at a high-speed moving target, but he was able to throw it from a distance, meaning the fact that it still got to Raikage proves that he can even throw a kunai faster than Raikage can move. Which adds to his kunai abilities. It's clear he did this because in the panel when he's on the tree the kunai that was in his hand is suddenly gone. Then you see a kunai right behind Raikage, who still has the dash lines that indicate he's still moving. Not only is that major kunai speed but it's major accuracy. And you think Itachi's kunai feats are more impressive than this?
The third one isn't even a picture of him in a battle. He's not even focused on incoming attacks. He's having a conversation with his son. Is that what you really have stooped to now? Lol just stop responding.
And Kirin was NEVER said to be instant. It was said to be faster than sound, but never instant. Zetsu only called it "inescapable" because most men can't move fast enough to dodge it. But that still has nothing to do with Itachi's reflex feats you desperate soul. For one, Sasuke basically told him what was about to happen BEFORE the jutsu was cast. Unlike you who keeps spitting nonsense without facts, I'll give you another page here:
Sasuke says that not only is his attack lighting, which anyone with a 5 grade education level or higher knows that lighting moves quickly, but he also says that he is going to guide the lightning to Itachi. Haha how is this good reflexes on Itachi's part when he was told WELL before the attack was coming? Oh and I do mean WELL before. Again more proof:
Right here Itachi can clearly see the dragon form from the lightning before it even attacks. Itachi had plenty of time to know what was coming and get Susanoo ready. That's NOT impressive.
Again Sasuke let's Itachi know he is about to attack, and then you clearly see the attack doesn't actually happen until AFTER Sasuke puts his hand down. And this was AFTER Itachi had already saw the big dragon in the sky! He had PLENTY of time to know what was coming. Lol and you compare this to Minato dodging Raikage's attack from POINT BLANK RANGE WITHOUT WARNING? Lol please
And about your so called "evidence" of bad reflexes from Minato, the 1st one isn't of him having bad reflexes, the very next page after the one you posted shows him teleporting out of it before the chains even get a chance to secure him. He escaped that in a flash, again showing how GOOD his reflexes are.
The second picture again shows how GOOD his reflexes are. You see he is focused solely on Raikage. He had someone as fast as Raikage caught off guard, and then the tentacle is coming from the side. Minato isn't even looking in that direction, yet was able to react to it and cut the tentacle. You can clearly see that his knee was firmly positioned on Raikage's back, but when Bee came in with his tentacle, you can see that Minato jumped up to avoid any contact because his legs are suddenly elevated higher than what they were before, indicating that he pushed off of Raikage and cut the tentacle when he realized something was coming his direction. Otherwise his legs would've still been under him because Bee simply pushed Raikage out the way, which means that if Minato hadn't noticed something was heading his way then his legs should've still been under him, but he was fast enough to notice something was coming his direction even though he didn't see what it was, push off of Raikage and avoid possible damage, and cut the tentacle. Oh and he also managed to tag him all in that same instant as Raikage points out here:
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The third one isn't even a picture of him in a battle. He's not even focused on incoming attacks. He's having a conversation with his son. Is that what you really have stooped to now? Lol just stop responding.
And Kirin was NEVER said to be instant. It was said to be faster than sound, but never instant. Zetsu only called it "inescapable" because most men can't move fast enough to dodge it. But that still has nothing to do with Itachi's reflex feats you desperate soul. For one, Sasuke basically told him what was about to happen BEFORE the jutsu was cast. Unlike you who keeps spitting nonsense without facts, I'll give you another page here:
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Lol If Itachi fights Minato close up in a taijutsu battle what makes you think he has to look at his eyes? His eyes aren't going to jump out and hit him. He will be looking out for his hands and feet. Plus Minato can teleport away the MOMENT Itachi trys to grab his head like Kakashi and force him to look in his eyes. But I'm SO glad you brought up the "Minato better have a kunai on hand" thing. Because as I already told you, Minato can teleport ANYWHERE WITHIN THE RADIUS OF HIS SEAL. If Itachi get's that close to Minato, he'll by default be that close to the seal:
The seal was on Obito's BACK yet Minato could teleport to the front of him. What's to stop him from doing that to Itachi if he get's as close to Minato as he did with Kakashi. The kunai will either be in Minato's hand or somewhere on his body right? Minato can teleport behind him, or on the sides and do FTG level 2 just like he did with Obito. You tell me how Itachi will stop that? He won't see it coming because clearly Minato isn't going to take the time to give a speech about how he's about to attack before he does it like Sasuke did. There will be no warning. Once again YOU proved my point. Fighting Minato in taijutsu is the stupidest thing Itachi can do. More proof of my point (that you are helping me prove):
Look at where the seal is and where Minato lands. Look how far away he is from the seal. This proves that he doesn't even have to be up close to Itachi in order for him to teleport near him. That's quite a bit of space between him and that seal. As I said Minato can teleport anywhere within the radius of his seals and the radius is clearly very large.
And just for the heck of it, more evidence of base speed Minato> base speed Itachi
Now we know he teleported with FTG in order to get to Kushina in time because he has a FTG seal incorporated into the 8-trigram seal, so even though the 8-trigram was gone, the FTG seal was still there. That however does not explain how he managed to get up on that tree. There is no kunai visible and he doesn't have his kunai pouch on yet. So the only way he could've gotten to the top of that tree and avoided the kyubi was with his base speed. Meaning he managed to get up on a tree and dodge another point blank attack this time from kurama with HIS BASE SPEED. No speed feat of Itachi rivals this. Another thing that suggests that this was base speed and not FTG is the fact that usually when he lands after doing FTG in that position you see a cloud of smoke:
Yet when he was on that tree he didn't have any smoke. Just like when he landed on the wall after saving baby Naruto, which we know was his base speed. Oh and also there's this:
He did the same thing to save Kushina from those hidden cloud mercenaries. You see he and Kushina were on a tree the same was in the picture where they escaped kurama. Minato was young then so he probably hadn't even invented FTG seals yet. The page with Kurama was obviously symbolism along with the one I just showed you, again pretty much closing the door on Minato's incredible base speed and how it alone is faster than most ninja even without FTG. Itachi has NO base speed feats or reflex feats to match this that you have shown me
Like really are you even thinking at this point?
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And just for the heck of it, more evidence of base speed Minato> base speed Itachi
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Like really are you even thinking at this point?
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Your arguments were so laughable that I skipped around a bit but to go back to your seals need chakra to set fallacy, so are you telling me that Minato should just take a gamble and hope his opponents will use kunai and shuriken and then go out of his way to intercept those and place seals on them when he can just have his own already set? And I want you to go back and take a look at that page you showed of Itachi and Sasuke. Are those kunai or shuriken? So let's say you are right and that Minato only carries one special kunai. What's stopping him from having a bunch of shuriken also, which are smaller than kunai? Using your logic, if Minato only has one kunai, he'll have plenty of room to carry shuriken to throw at Itachi. He can also summon the other toads and use them to spread his kunai. Either way you slice it Itachi is not beating him with simple shuriken.
In fact, let me just destroy your stupid shuriken argument all together with manga proof:
This solos your entire kunai argument. In just one small pouch, he threw all these special kunai BY HIMSELF, with ONE HAND, and ALL AT ONCE. Both showing his kunai handling ability and that he indeed carries multiple kunai. And again this large amount is all from just one pouch on his right hip. He clearly has room to carry a lot more. If you count the kunai on the page where you see them thrown, there's over 20 of them alone in that small panel that are visible. That's not even counting the ones that have probably traveled beyond the manga panel and we can't see. You FAIL. Manga evidence proves he throws the kunai himself, that it doesn't take up much space at all, and that he can throw multiple and with ONE HAND. And again, he can teleport to ANY SEAL HE WANTS. If he throws all of these at the same time at Itachi, Itachi not only isn't going to be able to keep all of them away, but he won't know which one Minato will teleport to. Now YOU SHOW ME where Itachi has been able to throw that many kunai or shuriken AT ONE TIME because as I recall he's never done that. The page you provided was of him throwing a few at a time. He threw them quickly, but he wasn't throwing 20+ at once and definitely not with one hand.
And as I showed you Minato's reflex feats are better. In fact, as you showed me his reflex feats are better. And about your juugo and suigetsu can dodge Raikage. Raikage said himself against Naruto, "only one other man has ever been able to dodge my lariot at full speed and that was Minato". So manga says you are wrong. Only Naruto and Minato are fast enough to dodge full speed Raikage.
In fact, let me just destroy your stupid shuriken argument all together with manga proof:
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And as I showed you Minato's reflex feats are better. In fact, as you showed me his reflex feats are better. And about your juugo and suigetsu can dodge Raikage. Raikage said himself against Naruto, "only one other man has ever been able to dodge my lariot at full speed and that was Minato". So manga says you are wrong. Only Naruto and Minato are fast enough to dodge full speed Raikage.
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A counter argument that you haven't proved. So like I said, I presented my case, and you have not come with any evidence or have been able debunk anything I've said so far. You've showed his shuriken feats, which I've proved there's nothing stopping Minato from being able to match him in that. Even if he's limited to only one kunai, he's already been shown to be successful against a sharingan user with just one. All it takes is carefully timed throw plus FTG and it spells danger for Itachi without Susanoo protection. And the page you provided of Itachi throwing shuriken proves that indeed Itachi is not fast enough to keep all shuriken/kuani away from his general area. Minato was said to have insane chakra reserves by 3 chuunin-jonin level ninja. It took all 3 of them to be able to teleport one FEMALE. Minato, who's most likely bigger and heavier than the Mizukage, does the same jutsu BY HIMSELF and MUTIPLE TIMES. So I want to know which is it now? You say they did this and clearly weren't tired right? So does that mean it doesn't take much chakra to do this technique? BUT GASP! Earlier you made it seem like so much chakra needed to be used to set the seals. How can this be when according to you it doesn't even take much out of you to USE the technique itself? Yet before they could actually do the technique, they had to wait for Tsunade to get to the battlefield because she had the marking with her
So did she use up a lot of chakra to make this seal? Or did she use little to none. If she used little to none, then that means setting multiple seals shouldn't be a problem for Minato.
Why else would it take the three of them, THREE of them to do one technique only ONCE? The jutsu must indeed require a lot of chakra to do. So you know what if it'll make you feel better, sure even setting the seals takes up chakra. It doesn't matter at this point because clearly Minato had an above average chakra reserve that 3 ninja were needed to do this only once
If you compare this pic to the one before it, you even see that the ninja to the far right is one of the ninja who helped to the FTG. He's kneeling over from exhaustion. Why would he be kneeling over? There were 3 of them after all right? And it's not like he was kneeling over before? It clearly took a bit out of him to do it. The ninja beside him isn't exactly smiling either. These 3 ninja are the personal guards to the hokage. Do you really think Minato and Tsunade would have fodder around them? They may be filler ninja but clearly the fact that a jutsu takes 3 of them to do ONCE means the jutsu is incredibly difficult to handle
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You've been blabbering at me without any good manga pages for 4 or 5 responses now. So don't call it laziness that you fail to provide any evidence to back your claims. You clearly have the patience to keep coming up here and responding to me, so you aren't lazy. You just keep saying things that you are unsure is in the manga. You are so stubborn that you rather continue to call my claims baseless which I have backed heavily with manga pages (some pages you provided for me) without anything to show on your end. It doesn't matter if you take my word for it. I realize I'm debating with a child. I don't mean that in an insulting way at all. I'm just saying that I know you are going to keep this up and believe what you want. You said something to me first so my intentions were never to make you believe anything. But I've laid it all out clear as day. With this post I've addressed and countered every argument that you've come up with.
I showed you that indeed Minato can match and even best Itachi in a taijutsu fight.
I've showed you that indeed Minato can match and even best Itachi in a kunai war.
I've shown you (even with your help) that Minato has better reflexes and base speed feats.
I've shown you why using any form of Susanoo will take away Itachi's genjutsu advantage AND that Itachi will have to use Susanoo to properly defend himself
I've shown you that Minato had a big chakra reserve and that whether or not FTG seals take chakra to set, he clearly has no problem handling it.
The only thing I can give you is the argument on SM. I can't prove that he has SM. I can merely prove that he had potential for it. But you still have not proven to me that he can't summon Ma and Pa. Seeing as him having SM was never apart of my initial argument, but a claim you made based on the idea that Jiraiya needed SM to summon them, even though it clearly could've been for their own protection since summoning them in the middle of a fight against an unknown opponent would've been very risky (evidence of that is the fact that Pa was killed by the same opponent even with the intel he had gained on Pain), I have no problem giving that to you.
Minato more than likely doesn't have SM. Cool bro. Doesn't do anything to prove you need SM to summon Ma and Pa. And if he can, that paralysis genjutsu is all he needs. Also, clearly Itachi has nothing in his arsenal that will harm Minato, so either way he's not going to beat Minato. But my initial argument that Minato has the potential to defeat him and that he's a bad match-up for Itachi stands. SM or no SM. I challenge you to either prove me wrong. And I mean actually MAKE SENSE with your manga pages, or just admit you are out of arguments and call it a day.
I showed you that indeed Minato can match and even best Itachi in a taijutsu fight.
I've showed you that indeed Minato can match and even best Itachi in a kunai war.
I've shown you (even with your help) that Minato has better reflexes and base speed feats.
I've shown you why using any form of Susanoo will take away Itachi's genjutsu advantage AND that Itachi will have to use Susanoo to properly defend himself
I've shown you that Minato had a big chakra reserve and that whether or not FTG seals take chakra to set, he clearly has no problem handling it.
The only thing I can give you is the argument on SM. I can't prove that he has SM. I can merely prove that he had potential for it. But you still have not proven to me that he can't summon Ma and Pa. Seeing as him having SM was never apart of my initial argument, but a claim you made based on the idea that Jiraiya needed SM to summon them, even though it clearly could've been for their own protection since summoning them in the middle of a fight against an unknown opponent would've been very risky (evidence of that is the fact that Pa was killed by the same opponent even with the intel he had gained on Pain), I have no problem giving that to you.
Minato more than likely doesn't have SM. Cool bro. Doesn't do anything to prove you need SM to summon Ma and Pa. And if he can, that paralysis genjutsu is all he needs. Also, clearly Itachi has nothing in his arsenal that will harm Minato, so either way he's not going to beat Minato. But my initial argument that Minato has the potential to defeat him and that he's a bad match-up for Itachi stands. SM or no SM. I challenge you to either prove me wrong. And I mean actually MAKE SENSE with your manga pages, or just admit you are out of arguments and call it a day.
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Very good point I never even thought of that! He's totally blind now
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He has a ooint Guy beat Obito(young)
Lee beat Sasuke(Young)
Itachi was careful not to fight Guy and warned Akatsuki
Guy blew Madara up
Lee Kicked Madara in Half
Madara said tai is the best way to fight him
Itach didn't solo nagato OP
Lee beat Sasuke(Young)
Itachi was careful not to fight Guy and warned Akatsuki
Guy blew Madara up
Lee Kicked Madara in Half
Madara said tai is the best way to fight him
Itach didn't solo nagato OP
