How the Hyuuga actually stack up against Uchiha?

[Dantee]

Yes praising the Hyuuga to unbelievable high is unreasonable or not right but saying they are weaker than Hinata when not much focus being put on them by Kishi in manga is not a right decision. Unless we all happen to see them fighting all out where Kishi giving them a full spotlight in the manga and they all fight like a kid where Hinata is look better than all of them, there is where you can say they are weaker than Hinata.

Hinata was considered elite because she was an heir and a part of the main branch. So most were weaker than Hinata is only a logical conclusion. Wouldn't you say its much better than saying they were all as strong as Neji,what most Hyuuga fans spout on here.

You know i can't so it's pointless to ask.

It's like asking for proof that the average uchiha can use izanagi, Kenjutsu or even uchiha Kinjutsu.



We haven't seen what the average uchiha can do outside of speculation.

I myself do believe an average uchiha can indeed lose to an average Hyuga but that by no means i think Hyuga > uchiha. The uchiha might have the advantage but thats beyond the point.



Yeah because it's not like this thread has been made by a known sasuke/uchiha fanboy

You know I could show you proof Uchihas knowing Izanagi if you want. Alas common sense should come in at some point if we're specualting. If an elite Uchiha can destroy the majority of the clan what do you think an average Uchiha would do. We also haven't seen what an average Hyuuga can do but we can easily factor what abilities they had by Hiashis words.

 

[BLAZE]

Yes praising the Hyuuga to unbelievable high is unreasonable or not right but saying they are weaker than Hinata when not much focus being put on them by Kishi in manga is not a right decision. Unless we all happen to see them fighting all out where Kishi giving them a full spotlight in the manga and they all fight like a kid where Hinata is look better than all of them, there is where you can say they are weaker than Hinata.

there is were the problem lies there is no avg hyuga or uchiha in manga :|

Avg Uchiha should be.What can i say Hebi Sasuke[minus curse seal and summons] and Avg hyuga will be Part 2 Neji minus rotation
Both are genius so it balance them out

 

[To Whatever]

Didn't the manga state how rare sharingan was? The clan is pretty fodder without it. Hence why the senju snuffed them in the war and why Itachi and Obito managed to make them extinct in a single night.

 

[Exaar]

Well any theoretical Uchiha who would be below Sasuke, Itachi, and Madara with 3T would be seen as average, somewhat. Because all three of those are top tier Uchiha alone, and no Hyuuga from any level could beat them (talking about Hebi Sasuke btw).

I don't even think off screen fodder Uchiha would lose to off screen fodder Hyuuga, unless they are carrying around a 2T Sharingan. At best Hiashi (the Clan Leader) could probably kill a 3T Uchiha whom is on 'fodder' level.

If that makes sense.

Thats seems an exaggerations of the uchiha to me.

Hebi Sasuke a genius level uchiha >>>>> Average uchiha, As Hebi he was between Kakashi (elite Jonin) and Kage level but this was with out side power sources such as Curse seal and Orochimaru's chakra/Jutsu added as well.

Now we can say an average uchiha is weaker than that of kakashi (which i'm sure most would agree), Now what you said that the man who (according to this thread) is potentially carrying most of the entire hyuga clans strength on his back (plus war arc feats) is weaker than kakashi (without Ms of course)
Now if we assume that even hiashi would struggle with Fodder level 3tomoed user would mean that a fodder 3 tomoe level has an entire clans level of strength.

Does that really sound right to you? lol

 

[lndra]

Thats seems an exaggerations of the uchiha to me.

Hebi Sasuke a genius level uchiha >>>>> Average uchiha, As Hebi he was between Kakashi (elite Jonin) and Kage level but this was with out side power sources such as Curse seal and Orochimaru's chakra/Jutsu added as well.

Now we can say an average uchiha is weaker than that of kakashi (which i'm sure most would agree), Now what you said that the man who (according to this thread) is potentially carrying most of the entire hyuga clans strength on his back (plus war arc feats) is weaker than kakashi (without Ms of course)
Now if we assume that even hiashi would struggle with Fodder level 3tomoed user would mean that a fodder 3 tomoe level has an entire clans level of strength.

Does that really sound right to you? lol

It doesn't but Hiashi can't defeat any of the known 3T Uchiha users. I don't know where to place him lol.

 

[Exaar]

You know I could show you proof Uchihas knowing Izanagi if you want. Alas common sense should come in at some point if we're specualting. If an elite Uchiha can destroy the majority of the clan what do you think an average Uchiha would do. We also haven't seen what an average Hyuuga can do but we can easily factor what abilities they had by Hiashis words.

The only average uchiha we've seen is the 3 that got solo slapped by itachi.

Izanagi as well as it's counter part Izanami were labeled Kinjutsu, Which basically means Forbidden Techniques and Forbidden Techniques aren't widely know to the average users.
Not even Fugaku who i'd say should be considered an elite member of the clan failed to used Izanagi when faced with his inevitable end.

 

[Ansatsuken]

]Hinata was considered elite because she was an heir and a part of the main branch. So most were weaker than Hinata is only a logical conclusion. Wouldn't you say its much better than saying they were all as strong as Neji,what most Hyuuga fans spout on here.


You know I could show you proof Uchihas knowing Izanagi if you want. Alas common sense should come in at some point if we're specualting. If an elite Uchiha can destroy the majority of the clan what do you think an average Uchiha would do. We also haven't seen what an average Hyuuga can do but we can easily factor what abilities they had by Hiashis words.

At bold and underline. Understand it carefully. She became elite bcus of her connection or what she actually about or her origin, the heir and a part of the main branch and not bcus of fighting potential/skill when we here talked about fighting potential and not personal status. Uchiha not needed to have a status symbol to become elite ninja.

there is were the problem lies there is no avg hyuga or uchiha in manga :|

Avg Uchiha should be.What can i say Hebi Sasuke[minus curse seal and summons] and Avg hyuga will be Part 2 Neji minus rotation
Both are genius so it balance them out

Average Uchiha in Uchiha and Senju fight(Hashi's flashback). I think we can found it there.

 

[BLAZE]

The only average uchiha we've seen is the 3 that got solo slapped by itachi.

Izanagi as well as it's counter part Izanami were labeled Kinjutsu, Which basically means Forbidden Techniques and Forbidden Techniques aren't widely know to the average users.
Not even Fugaku who i'd say should be considered an elite member of the clan failed to used Izanagi when faced with his inevitable end.

failed to use :lol

Average Uchiha in Uchiha and Senju fight(Hashi's flashback). I think we can found it there.

zero feats

 

[Dantee]

At bold and underline. Understand it carefully. She became elite bcus of her connection or what she actually about or her origin, the heir and a part of the main branch and not bcus of fighting potential/skill when we here talked about fighting potential and not personal status. Uchiha not needed to have a status symbol to become elite ninja.



Average Uchiha in Uchiha and Senju fight(Hashi's flashback). I think we can found it there.

Then why was Hiashi so surprised to see Neji have so much talent despite not being from the main branch? That's how the Hyuugas operate. Anyone in the main branch is considered elite and no where in the manga does it downplay Hinatas ability as a Hyuuga. Hinata just happened to be so fodder compared to the stronger characters in the manga, it was misconceived that way.

The only average uchiha we've seen is the 3 that got solo slapped by itachi.

Izanagi as well as it's counter part Izanami were labeled Kinjutsu, Which basically means Forbidden Techniques and Forbidden Techniques aren't widely know to the average users.
Not even Fugaku who i'd say should be considered an elite member of the clan failed to used Izanagi when faced with his inevitable end.

Itachi is beast. Time and time again we've seen 1 ninja who can take on 2 or 1 that can take on a thousand. Numbers has no bearing when it comes to skill. Izanagi was abused by certain Uchihas who took upon themselves thats why Izanami was created. Just because something is labeled forbidden doesn't mean they can't use it especially in the war era.

 

[Illuminater]

You're comparing a handful of the most powerful Uchihas that ever lived to the entire clan of the Hyuuga? This sounds like BULLSHIT

 

[Ambivalence]

We haven't seen what the average uchiha can do outside of speculation.

Uh... in a way we have. The Hyuuga were nobodies during the First Great War, and it was established in stone the Senju and Uchiha were the strongest, as was the fact that the Uchiha were the only clan able to rival the Senju. Average Uchiha battled and killed average Senju, while average Hyuuga were... what, hiding? Not in their league? It's easy to see Hyuuga were weaker. I mean, average Uchihas were using Izanagi, for crying out loud.

Now, an average Senju being stronger than an average Uchiha? That I can definitely agree with, and it was somewhat implied in the manga anyway. A Hyuuga, though? Nope.

I myself do believe an average uchiha can indeed lose to an average Hyuga

Based on?

Yeah because it's not like this thread has been made by a known sasuke/uchiha fanboy

So what? Dantee is eons away from Lady Byakugan when it comes to cancerous posts. You don't actually believe Neji can beat MS Sasuke, do you? Or that Hinata can seal away Byakugou with a thrust? Or that Hiashi beats Itachi? :lol

 

[King Of Pop]

Didn't the manga state how rare sharingan was? The clan is pretty fodder without it. Hence why the senju snuffed them in the war and why Itachi and Obito managed to make them extinct in a single night.

obito had shit ton of sharingan in his lab, numerous flashbacks depict a lot of uchiha with sharingan. considering all of that, then that "rare statement just means the clan was pretty large as it seems a lot had the sharingan. and hyugga is worse than trash without byakugan whom sakura would even beat. senju are not hyuuga so mentioning them is pointless. obito himself with his hax kamui can solo the hyuuga clan, give him itachi with his ms and its a rape.

none of what you said even begins to benefit the hyuuga

 

[BLAZE]

So Avg Uchiha and Avg Hyuga in a nutshell
Assume both have same strength,speed and intelligence

Uchiha:

KKG: 3T Sharingan[with basic abilites to track movement,copy[Nin,Gen and Tai jutsu] and induce genjutsu]

Arsenal

Sharingan:Genjutsu
Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades

Hyuga

KKG: Byakugan[Range (assume 300m with blindspot)]

Arsenal

Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms[took lot of hardwork to hinata but still]
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
Gentle Fist
Gentle Fist Art One Blow Body

Did i miss something

 

[Dantee]

So Avg Uchiha and Avg Hyuga in a nutshell
Assume both have same strength,speed and intelligence

Uchiha:

KKG: 3T Sharingan[with basic abilites to track movement,copy[Nin,Gen and Tai jutsu] and induce genjutsu]

Arsenal

Sharingan:Genjutsu
Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades

Hyuga

KKG: Byakugan[Range (assume 300m with blindspot)]

Arsenal

Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms[took lot of hardwork to hinata but still]
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
Gentle Fist
Gentle Fist Art One Blow Body

Did i miss something

64 trigrams is not a average Hyuuga tech nor was 3t for Uchiha.

You're comparing a handful of the most powerful Uchihas that ever lived to the entire clan of the Hyuuga? This sounds like BULLSHIT

That moment when you realize they were the only known Uchiha and Hyuuga in the manga. :lol:

Didn't the manga state how rare sharingan was? The clan is pretty fodder without it. Hence why the senju snuffed them in the war and why Itachi and Obito managed to make them extinct in a single night.

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[BLAZE]

64 trigrams is not a average Hyuuga tech nor was 3t for Uchiha.

So i use 2T
uchiha loses Sharingan genjutsu while Hyuga have nothing in arsenal to stand a chance in fight

 

[Ansatsuken]

Then why was Hiashi so surprised to see Neji have so much talent despite not being from the main branch? That's how the Hyuugas operate. Anyone in the main branch is considered elite and no where in the manga does it downplay Hinatas ability as a Hyuuga. Hinata just happened to be so fodder compared to the stronger characters in the manga, it was misconceived that way.

At underline. Maybe you misinterpret what Im saying about 'Status Symbol'. Im not saying in Hyuuga clan to consider a member as elite Ninja, all Hyuuga need to be a part of main branch. No. I'm just saying Hinata got her Elite status by being a member of main branch and not bcus her display in fight where Neji and even Hanabi is better than her according to Hiashi.

 

[Dantee]

So i use 2T uchiha loses Sharingan genjutsu while Hyuga have nothing arsenal to stand a chance in fight

To me whenever someone wants to pit a Hyuuga against a character they automatically assume they will engage a gentle fist user in taijutsu and that ninjutsu, weaponry, skills and intellect will be left out as if it has never been applied in the manga. Heck some Uchihas were probably better than Hyuuga in taijutsu as their moves can easily be read while Byakugan doesn't offer that luxury.

 

[BLAZE]

To me whenever someone wants to pit a Hyuuga against a character they automatically assume they will engage a gentle fist user in taijutsu and that ninjutsu, weaponry, skills and intellect will be left out as if it has never been applied in the manga. Heck some Uchihas were probably better than Hyuuga in taijutsu as their moves can easily be read while Byakugan doesn't offer that luxury.

Your forgot this
Hyuga's will keep poking and the guy Uchiha or whoever they are fighting will just stand there and take blows >_>

 

[Adam Driver]

You're comparing a handful of the most powerful Uchihas that ever lived to the entire clan of the Hyuuga? This sounds like BULLSHIT

Wrong, comparing a handful of the most powerful Uchiha to a handful of the most considered as the most powerful of the Hyuuga it seems unfair because of how much stronger the Uchiha is compared to the Hyuuga, don't blame the OP

It's not OP fault that Uchiha best rekt's Hyuuga's best. It's just fact that Hyuuga doesn't stack up well against Uchiha

 

[To Whatever]

obito had shit ton of sharingan in his lab, numerous flashbacks depict a lot of uchiha with sharingan. considering all of that, then that "rare statement just means the clan was pretty large as it seems a lot had the sharingan. and hyugga is worse than trash without byakugan whom sakura would even beat. senju are not hyuuga so mentioning them is pointless. obito himself with his hax kamui can solo the hyuuga clan, give him itachi with his ms and its a rape.

none of what you said even begins to benefit the hyuuga

Wasn't that lab of sharingan after the massacre? That was around the time Danzo got his own sharingans. The flashback you're refering to looks like it was during the war period when the senju and Uchiha were still large factions during the war and during the time of Konoha's founding. I agree with them being worse than trash without byakugan since more than half their arsenal relies on their eyes. Obito could very well solo the hyuga with or without itachi. I expect their clan to fair more given their inherit skills such as precog to actually serve some sort of purpose given the feats we've seen with 1-3t users. It didn't even look like Itachi or Obito broke a sweat killing his clan. The only noteworthy resistance was from a child and he managed to land one hit on Itachi.

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I'm not saying anything to try to benefit the hyuga. It's just that given Dantee's explanation on the avg uchiha that it's bs that the clan got wrecked that easily. So either the uchiha were defanged and weak at that point (with 2-3t being among the elite) or it simply means that 2MS is worth their entire clan.

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I'm serious, you're a uchiha connoisseur, wasn't 2-3t sharingan rare at that point? Even MS was legend with only one known member possessing it (shisui). I don't want to believe the clan was rendered extinct in a single night my only 2 MS users when the avg uchiha is walking around with 2-3t. Especially since 3t and MS aren't heaven and earth in terms of difference. There's a difference of course but with a whole clan of them you'd think they'd put up a bigger fight.