[Theory] How the Ōtsutsuki Tribe Became The Uzumaki Clan

[Bronze]

The Uzumaki Clan had to come from somewhere, and we have to agree chakra itself came from the Juubi. Sir Derp Obito's theory might or might not be true. But it's still possible until proven wrong.

For starters, there is not theory or prediction that coincides with the manga. And when they coincide, these theories become fact.

Uzumaki came from the Senju [

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This equation should help:

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I hope this helps

 

[Mr Hiru]

Not at all dude. I got doubts when Sir Derp Obito clearified the raw version of the manga did not mention the word lineage/bloodline, but consanguinity.

That simply opens the possibility to his theory.

 

[Bronze]

He acquired a part of his mother's power/chakra through the fruit, the Godly powers of Rikudou were acquired when he became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki:

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The fruit itself gives godlike powers to those who eat it [

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Juubi had also saw the sage's image in Naruto. Now that scan shows juubi seeing rikudou having rinnegan. We already know rinnegan is acquired through uchiha and senju DNA:

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That means Rikudou had always been uchiha and senju from birth to death.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The fruit itself gives godlike powers to those who eat it [

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Juubi had also saw the sage's image in Naruto. Now that scan shows juubi seeing rikudou having rinnegan. We already know rinnegan is acquired through uchiha and senju DNA:

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That means Rikudou had always been uchiha and senju from birth to death.

Not really since a Bijuu can see through his Jinchuuriki (eg. Kurama and Naruto) so Juubi's recollection of RS in Naruto is most probably when he was already its Jinchuuriki.

 

[Bronze]

Not at all dude. I got doubts when Sir Derp Obito clearified the raw version of the manga did not mention the word lineage/bloodline, but consanguinity.

That simply opens the possibility to his theory.

Consanguinity = (anthropology) related by blood. < That's a dictionary definition.

That actually doesn't open the possibility of his theory because i have showed VIZ and another scan which suggests that Senju and Uzumaki are related by blood.

So that opens the possibility of Uzumaki either being cousins or grandchildren of senju. We know the era of shinobi started by uchiha and senju. This means shinobi clans came after them. Since we know Uzumaki are related to senju through blood, then the most accurate way would be that Uzumaki are grandchildren to the Senju.

 

[Mr Hiru]

The fruit itself gives godlike powers to those who eat it [

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].

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Juubi had also saw the sage's image in Naruto. Now that scan shows juubi seeing rikudou having rinnegan. We already know rinnegan is acquired through uchiha and senju DNA:

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That means Rikudou had always been uchiha and senju from birth to death.

Yes, I agree with that. But that doesn't talk about how his family couldn't become the Uzumaki.

Do you know how did Rikudou share his chakra with other people? That's not explained either. There are too much holes to be filled, so in order to keep some consistency we have to make assumptions.

SDO took as assumption that Rikudou gave chakra to others (his kinship for instance) just like Naruto did with the Alliance, and so his tribe could perfectly become the Uzumaki (yes, this is a assumption).

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Consanguinity = (anthropology) related by blood. < That's a dictionary definition.

That actually doesn't open the possibility of his theory because i have showed VIZ and another scan which suggests that Senju and Uzumaki are related by blood.

So that opens the possibility of Uzumaki either being cousins or grandchildren of senju. We know the era of shinobi started by uchiha and senju. This means shinobi clans came after them. Since we know Uzumaki are related to senju through blood, then the most accurate way would be that Uzumaki are grandchildren to the Senju.

By distant blood relations. So the Uzumakis cannot be descendants of the Younger Son nor an off-shoot of the Senjus. They would holistically be close blood relatives if that was the case.

 

[Bronze]

Not really since a Bijuu can see through his Jinchuuriki (eg. Kurama and Naruto) so Juubi's recollection of RS in Naruto is most probably when he was already its Jinchuuriki.

And bijuu can see its jinchuriki before they become hosts. So there is possibility that Juubi saw RS before becoming its jinch. But then again, the bold still shows you're speculating nothing more.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Consanguinity = (anthropology) related by blood. < That's a dictionary definition.

That actually doesn't open the possibility of his theory because i have showed VIZ and another scan which suggests that Senju and Uzumaki are related by blood.

So that opens the possibility of Uzumaki either being cousins or grandchildren of senju. We know the era of shinobi started by uchiha and senju. This means shinobi clans came after them. Since we know Uzumaki are related to senju through blood, then the most accurate way would be that Uzumaki are grandchildren to the Senju.

I also provided the difference between Cansanguinity and Lineage. Both are blood relationships, but they are different conceptually.

I also questioned SDO about this problem, and so I found myself kind of lost when he proved the raw version was mentioned the word consanguinity. The implications are far too different. You're talking about lineage.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

And also, not all Shinobis descended from Hagoromo since he preached Ninshuu to other people, one does not preach to other people if the only way to acquire Chakra was to be blood related to him, if that was the case he need not have preached, he would've just impregnated several women to conceive Chakra infused babies.

So it's only logical, and natural for Rikudou, not only to have taught other people the principles of Chakra, but also to give them Chakra to wield in the first place.

And the descendants of the Elder and Younger Sons were specified to be the Uchihas and Senjus only. Not Uzumakis, Akimichis, Hatakes, Namikazes, Inuzukas,etc.

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It means that the present day Shinobi Clans, descended from the Pre-Ninjutsu People and Families that Hagoromo taught and shared Chakra with.

 

[Bronze]

By distant blood relations. So the Uzumakis cannot be descendants of the Younger Son nor an off-shoot of the Senjus. They would holistically be close blood relatives if that was the case.

And you're ignoring Zetsu statement about Nagato's bloodline. Distant blood simply means you're related to someone by either birth or marriage. And fine, lets go by the way you look at it.

By birth, Uzumaki would be grandchildren or sons to the senju because they are distant blood.
By marriage, Senju and another senju had *** and produced a child whos descendants would become uzumaki. Offspring basically.

^ Those still disagree with you.

Yes, I agree with that. But that doesn't talk about how his family couldn't become the Uzumaki.

Do you know how did Rikudou share his chakra with other people? That's not explained either. There are too much holes to be filled, so in order to keep some consistency we have to make assumptions.

SDO took as assumption that Rikudou gave chakra to others (his kinship for instance) just like Naruto did with the Alliance, and so his tribe could perfectly become the Uzumaki (yes, this is a assumption).

We already have Jiraiya's statement that SO6P had travelled around the world and given by his appearance, he was jinchuriki. So yes i agree with that.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Anyway i am leaving. You have your opinion and i have manga. Have a good day:bye:

Have a good day sir.

 

[Ohhdang]

And you're ignoring Zetsu statement about Nagato's bloodline. Distant blood simply means you're related to someone by either birth or marriage. And fine, lets go by the way you look at it.

By birth, Uzumaki would be grandchildren or sons to the senju because they are distant blood.
By marriage, Senju and another senju had *** and produced a child whos descendants would become uzumaki. Offspring basically.

^ Those still disagree with you.

What? That doesn't even make sense.. Since when does a distant blood relative mean relation by birth or marriage? First of all a relation by marriage isn't blood related at all, a marriage is a union between two whose blood is completely different from one another. Secondly why would the uzumaki's have seals and the senju didn't if they were so closely related? Why is it that the uzumaki's had an established village, land, and culture developed far beyond any other village completely isolated from the world while the uchiha and senju were at war? Did you see how old that elder uzumaki was when he shook hands with hashi? How is it that can't see that uzumaki's were not descendants from the senju?

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

1. In what way would two clans have to be related for them to qualify as being distantly related?

2. In what way would the Uzumaki and the Senju be related if the OP's theory were true? And does THAT even qualify as a "distant" blood relation?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Someone in the other forums pointed this out to me:

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Checking the Raw, the exact words that Obito used is:

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オビト :　「これは天沼矛の剣…六道�� �持っていた聖なる剣だ」

Kore Wa Amanonuboko No Ken… Rokudō No Motte Ita Seinaru Kenda.

Amanonuboko is also pronounced as Amenonuhoko

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[Rainbow Dash]

The Spear of Amenonuhoko is the spear that created the land in the world of Japanese Mythology. The Sword of Nonuboko is the sword that created the world. Good tie.

 

[rollin]

Someone in the other forums pointed this out to me:

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Checking the Raw, the exact words that Obito used is:

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オビト :　「これは天沼矛の剣…六道�� �持っていた聖なる剣だ」

Kore Wa Amanonuboko No Ken… Rokudō No Motte Ita Seinaru Kenda.

Amanonuboko is also pronounced as Amenonuhoko

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i wonder if that's connected to what itachi told sasuke

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it pretty much said the same thing on the tablet

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[girya]

AGAIN... THE CLAN OF SO6P???? =D

According to Erich von Däniken and Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, the god tree was actually planted by the aliens.. kishi forgot to draw their space ship over the god tree .. =D ! Another plausible theory...

 

[osba]

yeah that totally happined -_-

 

[Mr Hiru]

AGAIN... THE CLAN OF SO6P???? =D

According to Erich von Däniken and Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, the god tree was actually planted by the aliens.. kishi forgot to draw their space ship over the god tree .. =D ! Another plausible theory...

Lol Hahahahahaha XD

Aliens... aliens everywhere.