How strong was Indra?

[Holy God]

So what does power mean? I mean he clearly states that giving Naruto and Indra's reincarnation power this time yielded the same result as before so what is it that you're having a hard time admitting or coming to the conclusion of?

The power he was speaking of was Ninja Religion (ninshuu) and what he calls "true power", cooperation:

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[whiteboy2345]

Asura Awakened His own power,even the anime and the special episode dedicated to Hagoromo proves my point...

Hagoromo just made him the LEADER OF THE NINJA CREED,something that made Indra angry...he never gave him any power.

So if power meant leader of Ninshuu, why aren't Naruto and Sasuke leaders of the Ninshuu creed.

 

[Holy God]

Okay now I ask you when Hogaromo is explaining everything th Naruto and Sasuke why doesn't he mention yang body and life force for Ashura. Oh wait that's because it's not like that is it.

He doesn't mention that because at the time of the story he mentioned Indra's powers, Ashura hadn't discovered his powers yet and was still weak on his own.

Ashura treats bodily chakra the same as Indra's powerful chakra gene (genes are physical or bodily ) in nature. So it's blatantly obvious that Hogaromo gave power up as he confirmed for theirs still nothing to rival the eyes and spiritual energy.

The body and physical energy. Why do you selectively choose which of Hagoromo's words to believe in?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

okay well thanks for clarifying because you do realize the edo factor makes a huuuuuuge impact and difference on the situation.

Yea that's my bad I should of been clearer

 

[salamander uchiha]

Now your just confused man...Hashirama could counter Madara and beat him any time they fight,so whats that about needing spiritual BS to counter anything?

That was part of the handout to counter yin release. Besides Hashirama was an anomaly.

 

[whiteboy2345]

The power he was speaking of was Ninja Religion (ninshuu) and what he calls "true power", cooperation:

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So why didn't Naruto and Sasuke receive any knowledge or power concerning Ninshuu.

 

[SenseiSama]

So if power meant leader of Ninshuu, why aren't Naruto and Sasuke leaders of the Ninshuu creed.

Naruto used ninshu on everyone, and it's a new era so there is no point in re-starting a dead religion.

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[salamander uchiha]

He doesn't mention that because at the time of the story he mentioned Indra's powers, Ashura hadn't discovered his powers yet and was still weak on his own.



The body and physical energy. Why do you selectively choose which of Hagoromo's words to believe in?

That alone refutes your point he mentioned indra's powers then when he mentions Ashura's after blooming. The sage strictly bodily mention chakra rivaling his brothers. Which is Indra's powerful chakra gene (bodily). Now nothing that rivals the eyes or spiritual energy /yin release that's why I said that yes Ashura rivaled Indra in 1 aspect but for the others he needed the handouts necessary hence the Sage's power up. It was given for the purpose of spreading ninshuu but was used to fight indra to a draw.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Naruto used ninshu on everyone, and it's a new era so there is no point in re-starting a dead religion.

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He wasn't given power by Hagoromo in those pictures, and also, Sasuke was never given anything concerning Ninshuu so your argument still falls flat

 

[salamander uchiha]

Everybody in the databook has the black and white semi circle in their grid. The nature of the individual has the kanji sign while the empty one means they don't have it. Naruto and Hashirama's black circle is empty meaning they don't have yin nature but their kanji sign is in their white part meaning they have yang nature.
Tobirama and Madara have both nature of yin element and yang element.

Like I said you're confusing the yin or yang properties. Naruto's Tsb is a yin yang release kekkai genkai.
Yin-yang release≠Yin element or Yang element. It's like saying Sakura has water and earth properties therefore she has wood style release.

No your wrong sakura would have to display mokuton. Kakashi has 4 elements and doesn't have kekkei tota or above. I believe you failing to see the point which is the composition of the gods dama is yin yang +5 which the sage gave naruto via sof6pm. Naruto has yin release whether you acknowledge it or not. That's double handout by the sage knowing Ashura would get fodder stomped by indra again.

 

[davidou]

I'm still waiting for you to explain how "I bequeathed my eyes to my son" means passed on genetically as you claim. Pass on here means leave behind. Yet your delusional I told you to go to an english teacher and take lessons. Bequeaching isn't voluntary I suggest a visit to judge Judy is necessary for your idiocy.

It' s in the definition of the word, bequeathed=passed on, read it again.

 

[Holy God]

So why didn't Naruto and Sasuke receive any knowledge or power concerning Ninshuu.

You must have forgot the point of this conversation, because in my first post towards you I specifically said Hagoromo did not say the power he gave Naruto and Sasuke was the same as that he gave Ashura. You then proceeded to give your own definition of "it" that made no sense. If you cannot justify that the powers were the same, you have no evidence.

Your problem with comprehending what Hagoromo says lies in the word "it", which would certainly imply that whatever he gave Ashura is the same as Naruto and Sasuke, but in the raw Hagoromo does not specify that they are the same, thus your entire proof is rendered void. Besides, if you were right, Ashura would be stronger than Indra since he was already equal before receiving this power, but that isn't the case.

 

[Holy God]

That alone refutes your point he mentioned indra's powers then when he mentions Ashura's after blooming. The sage strictly bodily mention chakra rivaling his brothers. Which is Indra's powerful chakra gene (bodily). Now nothing that rivals the eyes or spiritual energy /yin release that's why I said that yes Ashura rivaled Indra in 1 aspect but for the others he needed the handouts necessary hence the Sage's power up. It was given for the purpose of spreading ninshuu but was used to fight indra to a draw.

No, Hagoromo literally never mentioned Ashura's powers. He said he awakened great chakra; that's it. On the tablet he specifically states that Ashura's body and physical energy counters Indra's eyes and spiritual energy. Why do you keep saying Ashura has nothing to match them but Hagoromo says the opposite?

 

[NarutoX28]

What Hagoromo entrusted Ashura with was leadership over Ninshuu which is what Indra didn't like which is what led to their constant fighting that Hagoromo was talking about in that scan. It's all about context. Hagoromo giving Ashura more "power" was never hinted in the first place and was never the catalyst to Indra's rage at all. Hagoromo makes it very clear here:

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Ashura becomes leader, instead of following in Ashura's footsteps, Indra lashes out in fury instead. I think the problem is here is that you believe power comes in the form of a shinobi's combat ability when leadership can easily be considered power hence why Madara wanted or at least in his eyes, should've been Hokage because it would have enabled him to have power and control over how the Uchiha had lived.

As for the topic, Ashura = Indra as was stated. There were no hand-outs unless you're selectively reading and ignoring context that adds clarity to what Hagoromo meant.

 

[salamander uchiha]

It' s in the definition of the word, bequeathed=passed on, read it again.

And I quoted both meanings and gave context of pass on which is i left to, which mind you is voluntary. Since pass on has several meanings it muat be looked at in the context of beqeached to get the synonymous meaning. I suggest you brush up on your grammar. I'm still waiting for you to prove. I bequeathed my blue eyes to my son, is meant in a genetic context.
I suggest you visit judge judy and we can argue this out there let's see what an expert in grammar has to say about this.

 

[salamander uchiha]

No, Hagoromo literally never mentioned Ashura's powers. He said he awakened great chakra; that's it. On the tablet he specifically states that Ashura's body and physical energy counters Indra's eyes and spiritual energy. Why do you keep saying Ashura has nothing to match them but Hagoromo says the opposite?

Nowhere in the tablet does it state that that's pure fanfic. Madara tells Hashirama what the tablet says guess what there's no mention of your fanfic. The rest comes from bz Madara's will.
Anyway Hogaromo references Ashura's power and clearly mention bodily chakra rivalling his brothers. So that refutes your point. Nothing about anything that rivals eyes or spiritual energy I emphasise again.

 

[Sage konohamaru]

You must have forgot the point of this conversation, because in my first post towards you I specifically said Hagoromo did not say the power he gave Naruto and Sasuke was the same as that he gave Ashura. You then proceeded to give your own definition of "it" that made no sense. If you cannot justify that the powers were the same, you have no evidence.

oh my god!

 

[Holy God]

Nowhere in the tablet does it state that that's pure fanfic. Madara tells Hashirama what the tablet says guess what there's no mention of your fanfic. The rest comes from bz Madara's will.

You before said it came from the tablet and now you say it didn't. Please pick a side.

Nice fanfic we can't take anything Tobi says seriously since their Knowledgecomes from the tablet black Zetsu tampered with.

Anyway Hogaromo references Ashura's power and clearly mention bodily chakra rivalling his brothers. So that refutes your point. Nothing about anything that rivals eyes or spiritual energy I emphasise again.

He says it in the tablet and you already said yourself that it was in the tablet. You can't refute my point because my point comes straight from Hagoromo. You're trying to refute the manga and that just doesn't work.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

That was part of the handout to counter yin release. Besides Hashirama was an anomaly.

Anomaly my foot,He was a Asura incarnate who bested Madara everytime they fought.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

No your wrong sakura would have to display mokuton.

According to your logic you're saying she has mokuton which she doesn't. yin element and yang element is not a kekkai genkai, if you keep saying that they are the same then you're saying sakura has mokuton.

Kakashi has 4 elements and doesn't have kekkei tota or above. I believe you failing to see the point which is the composition of the gods dama is yin yang +5 which the sage gave naruto via sof6pm. Naruto has yin release whether you acknowledge it or not. That's double handout by the sage knowing Ashura would get fodder stomped by indra again.

Kakashi has all 7 elements but he does not have the kekkai genkai like I stated before. Kakashi has yin element and yang element yet he does not have yin yang release.

So whether you like it or not you need to realize that Naruto does not have yin release but he does have yin yang release (kekkeai genkai).