How strong was Indra?

[salamander uchiha]

No it's not

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That's like me saying Sasuke has yang release just because he can use shadow clone jutsu.

The box has both yin and yang in them look in Naruto's case as well. The box is exactly the same and he has yin release the truth seeking orbs are from of that. The white half represents yang and the black yin. Get Sasuke's scan and see for yourself as well as somebody who only has yang release the pictures are totally different. The truth seeking orbs are yin yang + 5 natures.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Hagoromo compares the power he gave to Sasuke and Naruto, to the power he gave to Asura. So clearly Asura didn't do it on his own.

He meant that he handed the Ninshu sect to only Ashura in the past,but now he will hand over the fate of Ninshu and the responsibilty to both of them even though this time,he did give Naruto and Sasuke power.

But Asura AWAKENED HIS OWN POWER dude.....

i figured you for a smart individual,so connect the dots man.

 

[whiteboy2345]

He meant that he handed the Ninshu sect to only Ashura in the past,but now he will hand over the fate of Ninshu and the responsibilty to both of them even though this time,he did give Naruto and Sasuke power.

But Asura AWAKENED HIS OWN POWER dude.....

i figured you for a smart individual,so connect the dots man.

If he meant Ninshuu, then why don't Naruto and Sasuke have Ninshuu?

 

[Holy God]

Not true there in lies you mistake:
Hogaromo confirms indra has his eyes ,spiritual energy and powerful chakra genes.Now chakra rivals indra's chakra gene (implies bodily ) Therefore Ashura would still need something to rival Indra's eyes and spiritual energy that's why the sage gave him a power up and it wouldn't be a contradiction or false argument. The power up was Yin release(to counter indras yin) and lifeforce. It'd also explain why Ashura incarnates whores meant to have yang release have yin release as well. Hashirama does, and Naruto after receiving the power up). Yet Madara and Sasuke both have yin release and No yang release of their own. Sasuke even with the rinnegan. So Ashura having chakra rivaling indra's chakra makes the 2 equal. But Indra still has eyes and spiritual energy giving him 2 advantages over Ashura which need compensating by Hogaromo. Therefore the sage giving Ashura a power up is definite.

Stop making stuff so complicated. We're talking about merely power. Ashura's counters to Indra's eyes and spiritual energy is his own body and physical energy. Hagoromo said he gained the same power as Indra as his own, and anything else is merely a contradiction. Just because Ashura reincarnates have shown slight Yin Style usage means nothing. Indra reincarnates have Izanagi which utilizes Yang Style as well.

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[Hagoromo sennin]

If he meant Ninshuu, then why don't Naruto and Sasuke have Ninshuu?

The Ninshu sect,Remember Hagoromo was a leader of sorts during the flashback,and Asura and Indra where like princes....so Asura became King instead of Indra,thats How it is.

 

[Holy God]

When Hagoromo says "it" he means the result of sharing his power with both Naruto and Sasuke. The word "it" in that scan is not connected to the mention of power but rather the result of the sharing of said power. Reread the manga scan. Hagoromo says that by giving power to one he ended up with Asura and by giving it to both "it" meaning the "results" were the same. You're either interpreting the manga scan incorrectly or you're making things up.

What you're saying literally doesn't make any sense. Hagoromo didn't give any "results" to Naruto and Sasuke. I don't even know where you're going with this.

The fact is that in the Japanese there is no "it". You're arguing with something that doesn't exist. Hagoromo says sharing power with one ended up with Indra and Ashura and sharing power with both ended up the same way. It's quite simple.

Also, Asura was clearly not stronger than his brother if they both died in combat. This is probably just an inconsistency on Kishimoto's part, but the manga speaks for itself. Whether or not it bothers you shouldn't determine your reaction to the truth.

It's no inconsistency, it's the entire point of Ashura and Indra being equal and opposite. The fact Hagoromo's "power" did not make Ashura any better means it wasn't actual power in the first place. Hagoromo even claims that "true power" is to work with others (or something of the likes).

 

[whiteboy2345]

The Ninshu sect,Remember Hagoromo was a leader of sorts during the flashback,and Asura and Indra where like princes....so Asura became King instead of Indra,thats How it is.

Now you're just unsure of yourself and spouting nonsense.

 

[whiteboy2345]

What you're saying literally doesn't make any sense. Hagoromo didn't give any "results" to Naruto and Sasuke. I don't even know where you're going with this.

The fact is that in the Japanese there is no "it". You're arguing with something that doesn't exist. Hagoromo says sharing power with one ended up with Indra and Ashura and sharing power with both ended up the same way. It's quite simple.



It's no inconsistency, it's the entire point of Ashura and Indra being equal and opposite. The fact Hagoromo's "power" did not make Ashura any better means it wasn't actual power in the first place. Hagoromo even claims that "true power" is to work with others (or something of the likes).

So despite the fact that he makes it clear that he left everything and power to one brother, in a scan. You're trying to argue that it's false?

 

[salamander uchiha]

Stop making stuff so complicated. We're talking about merely power. Ashura's counters to Indra's eyes and spiritual energy is his own body and physical energy. Hagoromo said he gained the same power as Indra as his own, and anything else is merely a contradiction. Just because Ashura reincarnates have shown slight Yin Style usage means nothing. Indra reincarnates have Izanagi which utilizes Yang Style as well.

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Nice fanfic we can't take anything Tobi says seriously since their Knowledgecomes from the tablet black Zetsu tampered with. The definite knowledge is Hogaromo says eyes (yin is connected to eyes)and powerful chakra genes. Hogaromo confirms Ashura awakened powerful bodily chakra rivalling his brothers. Who also has powerful chakra ). The rivaling is in 1 aspect. So it's not complicated he had a power up to make up for the deficit. Now you can take bz influenced Tobi seriously or Hogaromo. I take Hogaromo.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

i doubt he was as strong as edo madara, with wood style and rinnegan and ems

You think an enhanced mads(I didn't mean an edo mads, just a mads with his edo abikities(mainly hashi juice) is stronger than the "original" uchiha?

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Now you're just unsure of yourself and spouting nonsense.

Your definitely the one spouting BS,what was i thinking, trying to reason with a die hard sauce fan like you...

well its no biggie

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that Should basically close this thread....

Only a fool will refute it.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Your definitely the one spouting BS,what was i thinking, trying to reason with a die hard sauce fan like you...

well its no biggie

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that Should basically close this thread....

Only a fool will refute it.

Yeah bodily power = chakra which Indra already had inherited the powerfulchakra gene. Still nothing to match the eyes and spiritual energy. Ashura'spowerups were needed to counter them.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Your definitely the one spouting BS,what was i thinking, trying to reason with a die hard sauce fan like you...

well its no biggie

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that Should basically close this thread....

Only a fool will refute it.

So because Asura awakened his own power, Hagoromo is now a liar who made a story up?

 

[Holy God]

So despite the fact that he makes it clear that he left everything and power to one brother, in a scan. You're trying to argue that it's false?

Did you read my post? I didn't say he didn't give him power, I actually said the opposite. You just don't understand what "power" means.

Nice fanfic we can't take anything Tobi says seriously since their Knowledgecomes from the tablet black Zetsu tampered with. The definite knowledge is Hogaromo says eyes (yin is connected to eyes)and powerful chakra genes. Hogaromo confirms Ashura awakened powerful bodily chakra rivalling his brothers. Who also has powerful chakra ). The rivaling is in 1 aspect. So it's not complicated he had a power up to make up for the deficit. Now you can take bz influenced Tobi seriously or Hogaromo. I take Hogaromo.

That just shows you're in denial. Black Zetsu specifically says the only part he changes was having Infinite Tsukuyomi be the Uchiha's path to redemption. He has no reason to change anything else. Since you said you'd believe Hagoromo, and nothing he said contradicts what he wrote on his own tablet, that means you concede, yes?

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[Hagoromo sennin]

So because Asura awakened his own power, Hagoromo is now a liar who made a story up?

Asura Awakened His own power,even the anime and the special episode dedicated to Hagoromo proves my point...

Hagoromo just made him the LEADER OF THE NINJA CREED,something that made Indra angry...he never gave him any power.

 

[Calpal]

You think an enhanced mads(I didn't mean an edo mads, just a mads with his edo abikities(mainly hashi juice) is stronger than the "original" uchiha?

okay well thanks for clarifying because you do realize the edo factor makes a huuuuuuge impact and difference on the situation.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Yeah bodily power = chakra which Indra already had inherited the powerfulchakra gene. Still nothing to match the eyes and spiritual energy. Ashura'spowerups were needed to counter them.

Now your just confused man...Hashirama could counter Madara and beat him any time they fight,so whats that about needing spiritual BS to counter anything?

 

[whiteboy2345]

Did you read my post? I didn't say he didn't give him power, I actually said the opposite. You just don't understand what "power" means.



That just shows you're in denial. Black Zetsu specifically says the only part he changes was having Infinite Tsukuyomi be the Uchiha's path to redemption. He has no reason to change anything else. Since you said you'd believe Hagoromo, and nothing he said contradicts what he wrote on his own tablet, that means you concede, yes?

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So what does power mean? I mean he clearly states that giving Naruto and Indra's reincarnation power this time yielded the same result as before so what is it that you're having a hard time admitting or coming to the conclusion of?

 

[salamander uchiha]

Did you read my post? I didn't say he didn't give him power, I actually said the opposite. You just don't understand what "power" means.



That just shows you're in denial. Black Zetsu specifically says the only part he changes was having Infinite Tsukuyomi be the Uchiha's path to redemption. He has no reason to change anything else. Since you said you'd believe Hagoromo, and nothing he said contradicts what he wrote on his own tablet, that means you concede, yes?

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Okay now I ask you when Hogaromo is explaining everything th Naruto and Sasuke why doesn't he mention yang body and life force for Ashura. Oh wait that's because it's not like that is it. Ashura treats bodily chakra the same as Indra's powerful chakra gene (genes are physical or bodily ) in nature. So it's blatantly obvious that Hogaromo gave power up as he confirmed for theirs still nothing to rival the eyes and spiritual energy.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The box has both yin and yang in them look in Naruto's case as well. The box is exactly the same and he has yin release the truth seeking orbs are from of that. The white half represents yang and the black yin. Get Sasuke's scan and see for yourself as well as somebody who only has yang release the pictures are totally different. The truth seeking orbs are yin yang + 5 natures.

Everybody in the databook has the black and white semi circle in their grid. The nature of the individual has the kanji sign while the empty one means they don't have it. Naruto and Hashirama's black circle is empty meaning they don't have yin nature but their kanji sign is in their white part meaning they have yang nature.
Tobirama and Madara have both nature of yin element and yang element.

Like I said you're confusing the yin or yang properties. Naruto's Tsb is a yin yang release kekkai genkai.
Yin-yang release≠Yin element or Yang element. It's like saying Sakura has water and earth properties therefore she has wood style release.