How strong was Indra?

[Warlocks]

I didn't deny that Asura awakened his own powers, but Hagoromo himself claims that he gave Asura his power before his fight with Indra.

if u agree then u should know that ashura was = indra so if ashura had any handout from so6p he would have rinnagan+rsm and

(without any handout from so6p) ashura = indra

(handout from so6p would make) ashura>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>indra

 

[whiteboy2345]

if u agree then u should know that ashura was = indra so if ashura had any handout from so6p he would have rinnagan+rsm and

(without any handout from so6p) ashura = indra

(handout from so6p would make) ashura>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>indra

The manga said he got a handout, whether or not it made Asura any stronger than his brother isn't something we know.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

The manga said he got a handout, whether or not it made Asura any stronger than his brother isn't something we know.

So Ashura had already matched Indra's level on his own and then got a handout, a handout which you don't know whether it made him stronger or not.....
How do you know it was a handout then? That scan which you've been posting everywhere doesn't prove your claims.

 

[Holy God]

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Your problem with comprehending what Hagoromo says lies in the word "it", which would certainly imply that whatever he gave Ashura is the same as Naruto and Sasuke, but in the raw Hagoromo does not specify that they are the same, thus your entire proof is rendered void. Besides, if you were right, Ashura would be stronger than Indra since he was already equal before receiving this power, but that isn't the case.

 

[5nationer]

Indra > Ashura
Manga fact.
So why this much discussion noobs

 

[salamander uchiha]

To Indra, not to Ashura.

You still running with the fanfic

 

[salamander uchiha]

You are focusing on the law version of the definition but bequeath can also can mean pass on, and I can pass on my genes to my son.

Your interpretation creates contradictions, as Hago said that Ashura awakened his powers.That's why you are wrong.
Mine doesn' t create any contradiction.



He is talking about Ninshuu here.

Of course your does say it simply "I bequeach my eyes to my son." Since bequeaching is the infinitive it means he leaves to his son his eyes. I didn't want to slap grammar in your face but you obviously won't wake up from the fanfic otherwise. In no way does it mean pass on in the sense of genetic inheritance since bequeaching is also voluntary and gene inheritance is involuntary.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

He was bequached yin power as well if you look at it Hashirama also has Yin release. So does Naruto after power up. Yet Sasuke has only Yin release So it's likely and obviously stated in the manga that Indra had the yin chakra of the sage. Which also confirms you only need yin release for Rinnegan(potent enough and Ashira is a non issue).

Hashirama does not have yin release. Bringer of darkness is just a jutsu, which anyone in the series is able to use one form of base genjutsu even Naruto.
You're confusing 3 types uses of yin and or yang. Which is element, energy, and kkg.

1. there is yin element and there is yang element that are all in the basis of ninjutsu. This is upon to any shinobi to use depending on your level of manipulating the properties. Part 1 naruto feats that Kakashi was doing since the Zabuza arc.

2. Yin energy and Yang energy. Yin energy is mental energy that works the spirit while yang energy is physical energy that works the life force. Uchihas have great mental energy in their optic nerves chakra while the Senjus have great physical energy in their bodily chakra

3. Yin seal=Six path shadow and Yang seal=Six path light. This is the power Hagoromoo is able to bequeath to people that summon him. In each of these hand seals carry great power to defeat a God. Momoshiki bequeath Boruto a seal in his hand after he defeated him which is yet to be expanded upon in its potential. Naruto and Sasuke showed their own seal potential on madara for a short while before Hagormoo taking them back. Ashura unlike naruto and sasuke had both in each hand, and use that to combat his brother Indra to the death.

 

[Reboryushon]

You don't know the answer, we don't know the answer, we can only speculate that he was on demigod level which means he was very strong without any possibility to be quantified.

 

[davidou]

Of course your does say it simply "I bequeach my eyes to my son." Since bequeaching is the infinitive it means he leaves to his son his eyes. I didn't want to slap grammar in your face but you obviously won't wake up from the fanfic otherwise. In no way does it mean pass on in the sense of genetic inheritance since bequeaching is also voluntary and gene inheritance is involuntary.

Still haven' t learned the lesson, I gave you the definition where it shows that to bequeath can also mean to pass on and you still choose to deny it.Bequeathed isn' t necessarly voluntary, stay in denial.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Your problem with comprehending what Hagoromo says lies in the word "it", which would certainly imply that whatever he gave Ashura is the same as Naruto and Sasuke, but in the raw Hagoromo does not specify that they are the same, thus your entire proof is rendered void. Besides, if you were right, Ashura would be stronger than Indra since he was already equal before receiving this power, but that isn't the case.

Not true there in lies you mistake:
Hogaromo confirms indra has his eyes ,spiritual energy and powerful chakra genes. Hogaromoalso confirms Ashura has awoken his own powerful bodily chakra rivalling Indra's. Now chakra rivals indra's chakra gene (implies bodily ) Therefore Ashura would still need something to rival Indra's eyes and spiritual energy that's why the sage gave him a power up and it wouldn't be a contradiction or false argument. The power up was Yin release(to counter indras yin) and lifeforce. It'd also explain why Ashura incarnates whores meant to have yang release have yin release as well. Hashirama does, and Naruto after receiving the power up). Yet Madara and Sasuke both have yin release and No yang release of their own. Sasuke even with the rinnegan.
So Ashura having chakra rivaling indra's chakra makes the 2 equal. But Indra still has eyes and spiritual energy giving him 2 advantages over Ashura which need compensating by Hogaromo. Therefore the sage giving Ashura a power up is definite.

 

[Reboryushon]

Still haven' t learned the lesson, I gave you the definition where it shows that to bequeath can also mean to pass on and you still choose to deny it.Bequeathed isn' t necessarly voluntary, stay in denial.

You are right man. Hagoromo means passing it on, as in trusting is power just to one side. There are other translations of that chapter pointing in this direction.

 

[Calpal]

Who knows, somewhere between edo rinne mads and a juubi jin maybe?

i doubt he was as strong as edo madara, with wood style and rinnegan and ems

 

[salamander uchiha]

Still haven' t learned the lesson, I gave you the definition where it shows that to bequeath can also mean to pass on and you still choose to deny it.Bequeathed isn' t necessarly voluntary, stay in denial.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how "I bequeathed my eyes to my son" means passed on genetically as you claim. Pass on here means leave behind. Yet your delusional I told you to go to an english teacher and take lessons. Bequeaching isn't voluntary I suggest a visit to judge Judy is necessary for your idiocy.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Hashirama does not have yin release. Bringer of darkness is just a jutsu, which anyone in the series is able to use one form of base genjutsu even Naruto.
You're confusing 3 types uses of yin and or yang. Which is element, energy, and kkg.

1. there is yin element and there is yang element that are all in the basis of ninjutsu. This is upon to any shinobi to use depending on your level of manipulating the properties. Part 1 naruto feats that Kakashi was doing since the Zabuza arc.

2. Yin energy and Yang energy. Yin energy is mental energy that works the spirit while yang energy is physical energy that works the life force. Uchihas have great mental energy in their optic nerves chakra while the Senjus have great physical energy in their bodily chakra

3. Yin seal=Six path shadow and Yang seal=Six path light. This is the power Hagoromoo is able to bequeath to people that summon him. In each of these hand seals carry great power to defeat a God. Momoshiki bequeath Boruto a seal in his hand after he defeated him which is yet to be expanded upon in its potential. Naruto and Sasuke showed their own seal potential on madara for a short while before Hagormoo taking them back. Ashura unlike naruto and sasuke had both in each hand, and use that to combat his brother Indra to the death.

Yin release is listed as an official nature for Hashirama as it is for Naruto. In Hashirama's case it's from the handouts Ashura recieved but in Naruto's case he was fodder 2.0 and needed the sage to give it to him. Those 2 seals from the sage your talking about are different to the power up. Sasuke has Rinnegan with 2 sharingan rings and has 0 yang energy or yang release for that matter. So therefore yang release chakra isn't necessary to awaken the rinnegan. It's actually the yin release bequeached to Ashura that grants the potency necessary to awaken the Rinnegan.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Your problem with comprehending what Hagoromo says lies in the word "it", which would certainly imply that whatever he gave Ashura is the same as Naruto and Sasuke, but in the raw Hagoromo does not specify that they are the same, thus your entire proof is rendered void. Besides, if you were right, Ashura would be stronger than Indra since he was already equal before receiving this power, but that isn't the case.

When Hagoromo says "it" he means the result of sharing his power with both Naruto and Sasuke. The word "it" in that scan is not connected to the mention of power but rather the result of the sharing of said power. Reread the manga scan. Hagoromo says that by giving power to one he ended up with Asura and by giving it to both "it" meaning the "results" were the same. You're either interpreting the manga scan incorrectly or you're making things up.

Also, Asura was clearly not stronger than his brother if they both died in combat. This is probably just an inconsistency on Kishimoto's part, but the manga speaks for itself. Whether or not it bothers you shouldn't determine your reaction to the truth.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yin release is listed as an official nature for Hashirama as it is for Naruto.

No it's not

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That's like me saying Sasuke has yang release just because he can use shadow clone jutsu.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Lmao....please dont bother.Hagoromo was talking about the Ninshu sect here...

All Asura awakened was all him....Hagoromo didnt do Jack sh.it

 

[Made in Heaven]

= Ashura.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Lmao....please dont bother.Hagoromo was talking about the Ninshu sect here...

All Asura awakened was all him....Hagoromo didnt do Jack sh.it

Hagoromo compares the power he gave to Sasuke and Naruto, to the power he gave to Asura. So clearly Asura didn't do it on his own.