How strong is Kakashi?

[xxSAGExx]

I've seen entire shippuden and pretty sure Kakashi owned him at the beginning

That was sharingan Kakashi who had MS and Kamui, current Kakashi doesn't have the sharingan. Also that was Kakashi and Naruto vs a Itachi clone with 70% power since sealing the 1 tails bijuu required 30% of Itachi's and Kisame's chakra. Naruto was the one who did the killing blow on that clone while working with Kakashi.

 

[Bogard]

That was sharingan Kakashi who had MS and Kamui, current Kakashi doesn't have the sharingan. Also that was Kakashi and Naruto vs a Itachi clone with 70% power since sealing the 1 tails bijuu required 30% of Itachi's and Kisame's chakra. Naruto was the one who did the killing blow on that clone while working with Kakashi.

And the Kakashi Itachi defeated was part1 Kakashi. Curiously you people always forget to mention it. Kakashi would have owned that clone by himself anyway

@Bold sure and current Itachi is dead

 

[HenryHyuga7]

mid kage tier

 

[ATD]

Kakashi is high mid jounin at best. Kakashi can't even use his only created jutsu, lightning blade, without the sharingan, or at least not effectively. Kakashi use the 1000 jutsu he copied with his Sharingan since you can only use them with the Sharingan as shown by him always revealing the sharingan when he use them. He used like 2 earth jutsus without the sharingan and his water jutsus were copied from Zabuza and Kisame.

Kakashi said base Naruto with a FRS that's about 50% complete was equal to him who had the sharingan and Kamui. Naruto only gotten stronger than that while Kakashi is getting downgraded by losing the Sharingan. He should be able to use his chakra more affectively now but he's long be surpassed by his 3 students. Base Sakura can beat Kakashi since he was using his sharingan against her and Naruto when they were weaker than they are now.

Kakashis brain is in his head not in his eye.
He can use all variants of the lightning blade and can use all his jutsus he stored safe in his brain.
Now without the sharingan he will never suffer any chakra problems, i think he is even stronger ( except the loss of kamui), kishi will show.

 

[elsepa]

low kage-high jonin

 

[Xāvî1]

I think he is on the God tier-high kage tier. But where do you think he is in the Tier list?

Nah bro he is not that strong now after loosing the sharingan of his!

 

[jimbobbity]

High jonin. Low kage at best. I don't get where people get this kakashi being mid or high level kage from.

 

[silmarill]

atm , mid kage

with sharingan top tier , above Nagato , Itachi , Kabuto, below Hashi , Madara etc

 

[Kamui Sama]

Currently low-mid Kage level. With sharingan Kamui GGs ur fav

 

[RicardoA]

Low-kage level.
Decent firepower, three chakra natures, good taijutsu and genjutsu, very fast, highly intelligent, no longer seems to have stamina issues (not a chakra monster either though), tracking skills, clones...
Even without the Sharingan he's still very versatile and even though he lost all the perks of the dojutsu, he can now manage his chakra pool better, so he didn't just lost advantages. It doesn't seem like he lost much either, all his defining attributes are still there.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Kakashis brain is in his head not in his eye.
He can use all variants of the lightning blade and can use all his jutsus he stored safe in his brain.
Now without the sharingan he will never suffer any chakra problems, i think he is even stronger ( except the loss of kamui), kishi will show.

He had his brain throughout the manga yet he needed to use the Sharingan to fight against ninjas stronger than he was. Kakashi can't use his lightning blade effectively since it was stated by Minato that Kakashi needs to move at high speed which leaves him open to counter attacks from the enemy. Chidori/lightning blade without the Sharingan = incomplete jutsu

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Kakashi can't use the jutsus he copy with the Sharingan, if he could then why would he resort to using the Sharingan just to use the jutsus he copied? He would save more chakra not using the Sharingan. If you didn't need the Sharingan to use the jutsus you copied then what's stopping other ninjas from looking at hand signs and copying jutsus that way? It says the user can memorize the jutsus but that's the sharingan user, it's going to have abilities restricted to it.

Fact is, if Kakashi didn't need to use the Sharingan then he wouldn't, no point in using a chakra tasking tool if you don't need to use it.

 

[Kamui Sama]

He had his brain throughout the manga yet he needed to use the Sharingan to fight against ninjas stronger than he was. Kakashi can't use his lightning blade effectively since it was stated by Minato that Kakashi needs to move at high speed which leaves him open to counter attacks from the enemy. Chidori/lightning blade without the Sharingan = incomplete jutsu

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Kakashi can't use the jutsus he copy with the Sharingan, if he could then why would he resort to using the Sharingan just to use the jutsus he copied? He would save more chakra not using the Sharingan. If you didn't need the Sharingan to use the jutsus you copied then what's stopping other ninjas from looking at hand signs and copying jutsus that way? It says the user can memorize the jutsus but that's the sharingan user, it's going to have abilities restricted to it.

Fact is, if Kakashi didn't need to use the Sharingan then he wouldn't, no point in using a chakra tasking tool if you don't need to use it.

Are you serious? Kakashi uses sharingan for its precog, genjutsu, and Kamui. It has never been stated or implied that sharingan is required to used copied jutsu

 

[villain55]

Nah bro he is not that strong now after loosing the sharingan of his!

I'm talking about with Sharingan.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He had his brain throughout the manga yet he needed to use the Sharingan to fight against ninjas stronger than he was. Kakashi can't use his lightning blade effectively since it was stated by Minato that Kakashi needs to move at high speed which leaves him open to counter attacks from the enemy. Chidori/lightning blade without the Sharingan = incomplete jutsu

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Kakashi can't use the jutsus he copy with the Sharingan, if he could then why would he resort to using the Sharingan just to use the jutsus he copied? He would save more chakra not using the Sharingan. If you didn't need the Sharingan to use the jutsus you copied then what's stopping other ninjas from looking at hand signs and copying jutsus that way? It says the user can memorize the jutsus but that's the sharingan user, it's going to have abilities restricted to it.

Fact is, if Kakashi didn't need to use the Sharingan then he wouldn't, no point in using a chakra tasking tool if you don't need to use it.

Yet he used headhunter(a copied jutsu) without sharingan active against sasuke.

 

[Bantos]

I'd say high jonin -low kage currently.

 

[ATD]

He had his brain throughout the manga yet he needed to use the Sharingan to fight against ninjas stronger than he was. Kakashi can't use his lightning blade effectively since it was stated by Minato that Kakashi needs to move at high speed which leaves him open to counter attacks from the enemy. Chidori/lightning blade without the Sharingan = incomplete jutsu

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Kakashi can't use the jutsus he copy with the Sharingan, if he could then why would he resort to using the Sharingan just to use the jutsus he copied? He would save more chakra not using the Sharingan. If you didn't need the Sharingan to use the jutsus you copied then what's stopping other ninjas from looking at hand signs and copying jutsus that way? It says the user can memorize the jutsus but that's the sharingan user, it's going to have abilities restricted to it.

Fact is, if Kakashi didn't need to use the Sharingan then he wouldn't, no point in using a chakra tasking tool if you don't need to use it.

Chapter 240 is a long time ago.
He was 12 when he used his chidori the first time, of course it wasn't perfect, the sahringan allowed him to master the jutsu at very young age, but i think now kakashi is 30 and raikiri is his most used jutsu, i don't think he is bad at using it now even without the sharingan.
He used jutsus without the sharingan active against sasuke part 1, the bell test, shadow clone against kabuto part 1, and i think there some more situations where he used jutsus without needing the sharingan.
The sharingan copied the jutsus, but then the memories get in the real brain of the owner. I don't think the sharingan is a kind of usb-stick.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Are you serious? Kakashi uses sharingan for its precog, genjutsu, and Kamui. It has never been stated or implied that sharingan is required to used copied jutsu

Kakashi never really used Genjutsu in his fights, never used Kamui unless he really needed too and that's with MS when he had 3 tomoes on mostly and why would he need the precog in all of his fights? If his skills and brains were enough then he wouldn't need to rely on the Sharingan which take a lot of his chakra, in fact it cost him more chakra than it does a Uchiha. It's never stated that Kakashi could use the copied jutsus without the sharingan either so don't say he can if you have no real proof that he can, there's not even other examples to used since Sasuke and Itachi always had their sharingan active when they fought with jutsus they copied. For Lee's taijutsu, Sasuke did copy it but he had to train hard with Kakashi to use it well since he didn't go through the same training as Lee so it cost Sasuke more stamina.

Can you use any manga scans showing or imply Kakashi training to use those jutsus himself without the Sharingan? If not then don't say he can since it's speculation with no explanation or proof he can.

Yet he used headhunter(a copied jutsu) without sharingan active against sasuke.

Did it say that was a copy jutsu? Kakashi could have learned that jutsu, he used a doton wall which had dogs on it which goes along with his summons of dogs so him learning earth jutsus does have explanation for it or manga proof since he's not going to copy something that is his summon and there's no one shown with the same summon and he didn't have the Sharingan when his dad was alive if he got it from his dad. He had the Sharingan out but like I said, the dogs make it more like he learned it

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. Chidori was just Kakashi's own original jutsu which he created

Chapter 240 is a long time ago.
He was 12 when he used his chidori the first time, of course it wasn't perfect, the sahringan allowed him to master the jutsu at very young age, but i think now kakashi is 30 and raikiri is his most used jutsu, i don't think he is bad at using it now even without the sharingan.
He used jutsus without the sharingan active against sasuke part 1, the bell test, shadow clone against kabuto part 1, and i think there some more situations where he used jutsus without needing the sharingan.
The sharingan copied the jutsus, but then the memories get in the real brain of the owner. I don't think the sharingan is a kind of usb-stick.

You missing the point, it requires him to use high speed and he can't "see" his opponents counters at high speed, this was even said about Sasuke when he first shown to use it on Gaara. Read what Lee said here

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Sasuke used his Sharingan to dodge Gaara's shand spikes as he was running at him. Minato called it a incomplete jutsu since Kakashi couldn't "see" his opponents counter attacks

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Doesn't matter how old Kakashi is or how long he had the jutsu, unless he made the jutsu work differently where he doesn't charge and strike his opponent, it's still an incomplete jutsu without the Sharingan. Kakashi can "learn" jutsus, not all jutsus he has are copied, he used a doton wall which have dogs on it, who else have dog summonings? His dad might have but he was dead long before Kakashi got his Sharingan so learning earth jutsus isn't out of the possibility. Kakashi can also learn Shadow clones himself like Naruto did, Kakashi never used a jutsu he shown to copy, without the sharingan being used.

The Sharingan is connected to the brain, the special chakra in the brain is what awakens and level up the Sharingan so for the jutsus/movements copied being used with it active. To use jutsus copied, you have to have the capability or skills needed to use what you're trying to copy. Sasuke had to train hard just to use Lee's taijutsu which takes a lot of stamina from Sasuke since he didn't go through the same amount of training as Lee

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Kakashi has the nature elements to use the jutsus but he has to train hard to be able to use them just like Lee's taijutsu for Sasuke. The Sharingan is what allow you to memorize the hand signs so is it hard to think that you would need it to utilize what it copies? If Kakashi could use the jutsus without the Sharingan than why does he always need to have the sharingan active when he use what he has shown to copy like the water jutsus he copied from Zabuza and Kisame? Can't be just for it's precognition ability when we have Sakura dodging Sasori's needles with her normal eyes as a chunin so is Kakashi's eyes worst than Sakura's? Shikamaru, Choji and Ino's eyes on par with the Sharingan's eyes to fight against Kakuza and Hidan?

His Sharingan gave him an edge no doubt but it also caused him to waste more chakra and he was seeing the same movements that Shikamaru and Choji were when they were also fighting as chunins. Point is, Kakashi doesn't have to rely on the Sharingan as much as he has if his normal strength was enough and if he could used copied jutsus. He was using the Sharingan against chunin level Naruto and Sakura in the bell test and in the anime he was using his copied jutsus. Kakashi even stated that the Sharingan was weakening his stamina which is his weakness so why use it? A jounin as strong as him is capable of taking care of 2 chunins when they have Kakashi's smarts, experiences, and knowledge of his enemy.

 

[bobtheboober]

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Not that strong.

 

[Keyboard Uchiha]

High Kage tier in my opinion

 

[ATD]

Kakashi never really used Genjutsu in his fights, never used Kamui unless he really needed too and that's with MS when he had 3 tomoes on mostly and why would he need the precog in all of his fights? If his skills and brains were enough then he wouldn't need to rely on the Sharingan which take a lot of his chakra, in fact it cost him more chakra than it does a Uchiha. It's never stated that Kakashi could use the copied jutsus without the sharingan either so don't say he can if you have no real proof that he can, there's not even other examples to used since Sasuke and Itachi always had their sharingan active when they fought with jutsus they copied. For Lee's taijutsu, Sasuke did copy it but he had to train hard with Kakashi to use it well since he didn't go through the same training as Lee so it cost Sasuke more stamina.

Can you use any manga scans showing or imply Kakashi training to use those jutsus himself without the Sharingan? If not then don't say he can since it's speculation with no explanation or proof he can.



Did it say that was a copy jutsu? Kakashi could have learned that jutsu, he used a doton wall which had dogs on it which goes along with his summons of dogs so him learning earth jutsus does have explanation for it or manga proof since he's not going to copy something that is his summon and there's no one shown with the same summon and he didn't have the Sharingan when his dad was alive if he got it from his dad. He had the Sharingan out but like I said, the dogs make it more like he learned it

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. Chidori was just Kakashi's own original jutsu which he created



You missing the point, it requires him to use high speed and he can't "see" his opponents counters at high speed, this was even said about Sasuke when he first shown to use it on Gaara. Read what Lee said here

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Sasuke used his Sharingan to dodge Gaara's shand spikes as he was running at him. Minato called it a incomplete jutsu since Kakashi couldn't "see" his opponents counter attacks

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Doesn't matter how old Kakashi is or how long he had the jutsu, unless he made the jutsu work differently where he doesn't charge and strike his opponent, it's still an incomplete jutsu without the Sharingan. Kakashi can "learn" jutsus, not all jutsus he has are copied, he used a doton wall which have dogs on it, who else have dog summonings? His dad might have but he was dead long before Kakashi got his Sharingan so learning earth jutsus isn't out of the possibility. Kakashi can also learn Shadow clones himself like Naruto did, Kakashi never used a jutsu he shown to copy, without the sharingan being used.

The Sharingan is connected to the brain, the special chakra in the brain is what awakens and level up the Sharingan so for the jutsus/movements copied being used with it active. To use jutsus copied, you have to have the capability or skills needed to use what you're trying to copy. Sasuke had to train hard just to use Lee's taijutsu which takes a lot of stamina from Sasuke since he didn't go through the same amount of training as Lee

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Kakashi has the nature elements to use the jutsus but he has to train hard to be able to use them just like Lee's taijutsu for Sasuke. The Sharingan is what allow you to memorize the hand signs so is it hard to think that you would need it to utilize what it copies? If Kakashi could use the jutsus without the Sharingan than why does he always need to have the sharingan active when he use what he has shown to copy like the water jutsus he copied from Zabuza and Kisame? Can't be just for it's precognition ability when we have Sakura dodging Sasori's needles with her normal eyes as a chunin so is Kakashi's eyes worst than Sakura's? Shikamaru, Choji and Ino's eyes on par with the Sharingan's eyes to fight against Kakuza and Hidan?

His Sharingan gave him an edge no doubt but it also caused him to waste more chakra and he was seeing the same movements that Shikamaru and Choji were when they were also fighting as chunins. Point is, Kakashi doesn't have to rely on the Sharingan as much as he has if his normal strength was enough and if he could used copied jutsus. He was using the Sharingan against chunin level Naruto and Sakura in the bell test and in the anime he was using his copied jutsus. Kakashi even stated that the Sharingan was weakening his stamina which is his weakness so why use it? A jounin as strong as him is capable of taking care of 2 chunins when they have Kakashi's smarts, experiences, and knowledge of his enemy.

Kakashi got his left eye destroyed by the iwa-ninja, he would have only 1 eye if obito hadn't give him his sharingan, so of course kakashi will use the sharingan in a fight even if it costs him much chakra and stamina, because if he won't using it than he would have only one eye, which is a big handicap. So he has no other choose.
I know lee said, that he wouldn't ran at high speed in the direction of an opponent, but this is part 1 lee.

The characters have improved, we are at chapter 683, every character become more experienced and kakashi belongs to those, who improved the most. He is one of the last shin obis standing in the last fight to give his life for the world. I don't think kishi takes away kakashis sharingan to show that Kakashi now not even can use his jutsus he copied, that would be completely bs and i don't would understand why kishi still keeps him relevant.

You seem to be very shure about the fact that the sharingan saves all the hand signs and jutsus in itself, so i thought maybe you read it in the manga, if so, can you show me the panel where it says that the sharingan is a sort of brain which allows you to use the copied jutsus only with the sharingan ?

I like that kakashi is no more the sharingan kakashi, because now he has better chances to show what he can do with his own power, but the present of obito the sharingan would be now worthless, but not if the 1000 jutsus he copied will remain in his brain, so the present obito gave him could live on, i think kishi will show that.

Even without the sharingan kakashi can still fuse his raikiri with a kunai or shurikans, he can do lightning beast runner, raikiri bun shin, raikiri chain and other variants, only the fast stab itself the RAIKIRI is maybe restricted now, but i doubt that kakashi is unable to use it, not with his current experience.