How strong is Gogeta SSJ 4?
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Saikyokami
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You know... he made what's his face look fodder and he was ****ing around...
he honestly could be right up there with bills / ssg goku
he honestly could be right up there with bills / ssg goku
Son Wukong
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Gogeta SSJ 4 > DBZ
Beerus has nothing more than planetary/star feats and Whis is all about hax.
Umari Senju
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The fact that it looked like he wasn't even breaking a sweat against Omega Shenron means he is probably up there with the Z gods most likely. No real facts to back that up though.
Sasuke tyeezy
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I honestly think SSJ4 Gogeta>>>SSG Goku
SSJ4 Gogeta >= Beerus/Bills
SSJ4 Gogeta =< Whis
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the real question is.. how hard would ssj4 Vegito solo ssj4 gogeta.
It's hard to judge exactly where he's at honestly since he never got serious xD
yeahh.... when bill/SSGSS/Whis comes in the power scale just ****ing breaks completely LOL
It's hard to judge exactly where he's at honestly since he never got serious xD
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Now let's review some key things
While we know about the gap between Goku Super Saiyan 3 and Beerus or Bills, they use this to say automatically he wins against GT now this is cool and all but most fail to realize that GT is pretty ****ing OP due to some key evidence
1.) —gap between Goku's—
kid Goku base was actually stronger than Buuhan in Buu saga
Now this info is gathered from a event in the fight between General Rildo and Goku.
Goku says that has stronger than Majin Buu, now most will conclude Fat Buu but there's a flaw in that.
First off in the manga Majin Buu is the only term ever said for any form of Buu, and Goku has fought all of these forms of Buu and golden rule of estimating is to round up to account for any known aspects which is Buuhan.
Now another thing that makes fat Buu not possible is they call him "Mr.Buu" after the events of kid Buu.
Now the multiplier for Super Saiyan 3 is 400x via daizenshuu
Super Saiyan 3 is 1,200x
Now why do we assume this?
Well daizenshuu states
Super Saiyan = 50x
Super Saiyan 2 = 2x
Super Saiyan 3 = 4×
Super Saiyan 4 = 10x
Now Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 3 haven't been disproven but Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 4 have massive flaws that don't work.
First I'll do Super Saiyan 2.
Super Saiyan 2 can't equate to 2x being cell was sub 100% yet was effortlessly beating Gohan Super Saiyan now if 2x were the case the gap wouldn't be as large as it was, this is were we developed a logical number 6x
Being the fight was deduced through reason that Gohan was at least 4x cell and cell was sub 50% against Gohan based off the effort cell used.
Thus kid Goku base is minimum 1,200x Buu saga Goku being
Kid Goku > Rildo > Buuhan > Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
Also to those who say kid Goku Super Saiyan 3 is a lot weaker than Super Saiyan 3 adult are wrong, goku in English sub's said he was only a tiny bit weaker as a kid.
2.) —Super Saiyan 4 multiplier —
The 4,000x base does not work in any way due to events in GT
First off let's go through some actually seen evidence.
Bebi vegeta base form effortlessly beat Super Saiyan 3 Goku in fact bebi said he was using a fraction of his power when utterly stomping Goku Super Saiyan 3.
Now let's put this to scale
That would make Bebi a minimum of 1,440,000 times Buu Saga Goku
(1,200×1,200).
We don't know the exact margin between Goku and Bebi but I can say it was worse than Gohan vs Cell.
Bebi also transformed 2 times into super Bebi 1 and Super Bebi 2 are both huge increases of a minimum of 2x each.
Now we know Gold Ozzaru is stronger than a Super Saiyan 3.
Being Super Saiyan 3 Goku got effortlessly beat by Bebi base thus Gold Ozzaru > Super Saiyan 3 multiplier.
He also received TWO, 1,000x blux/bruit wave increase and -blux wave = Ozzaru multiplier.
Now we can get a look on Bebi Ozzaru compared to Super Saiyan 3.
If Goku was getting pounded by Bebi base by a huge margin while he was holding back. I can safely say those numbers. Bebi Ozzaru would be approximately
2×2×1,200×1,000×1,000 = Which is 4.8 billion times Super Saiyan 3 Goku and 5,760,000,000,000 times base or 5.76 trillion times base Goku (4,800,000,000×1,200) And Super Saiyan 4 Goku > Bebi Ozzaru
If we included the theoretical gap between Goku Super Saiyan 3 and Bebi base I would say it was at minimum 10x gap thus the Super Saiyan 4 multiplier would be 57,600,000,000,000 times base or 57.6 trillion times base.
If you all don't believe these events go back and watch it in sub's.
Now let's compare Beerus or Bills.
The common belief is Beerus was using 1% of his power and was 10x stronger at 1%.
This is why people will blindly say Beerus beats GT but let's compare the low ball Super Saiyan 4 multiplier of 5,760,000,000,000 or 5.76 trillion to what 1% would be
If Super Saiyan 3 is 1,200× and Beerus is 10x stronger at 1% that would make Beerus 1,200,000 times Goku base (1,200×100×10).
Thus Beerus is no match for Super Saiyan 4 lol not even close even Bebi saga.
But let's be real about Beerus
In my opinion Beerus was using 1% of his power and was 10,000× times Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
That would mean Beerus was 1,200,000,000 times Goku Super Saiyan 3.
I could even say Beerus was 100,000 times Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 at 1% and beerus was be only 12,000,000,000 times goku base.
Compared to 5,760,000,000,000 or 5.76 trillion low ball for Super Saiyan 4 multiplier and 57,600,000,000,000 or 57.6 trillion for a mid ball.
Now let's cover the scale with a visual
Note these numbers are for examples and are nor legit power levels.
Let's say line 1 is Beerus vs Goku gap
Power level
Let's say A=0
B=1,000,000 (Goku Super Saiyan 3)
C=100,000,000 (Beerus)
Beerus and Goku gap
A----B-------------------------------C
Now let's say Omega and Goku Super Saiyan 4 gap.
A=0
Y=500,000,000 (Super Saiyan 4 goku)
Z=1,000,000,000 (Omega Shenron)
Omega Shenron and Goku Super Saiyan 4 gap.
.
A--------------Y---------------Z
Now let's put it all on one line
A--B-------------C----------------------Y----Z
.
As you can see B and C are very far spread apart but Y and Z are closer together yet Y and Z hold more value
This is why people will automatically assume C is stronger than Z because B and C are further than Y and Z but in reality Z is higher due to over all value.
Now you can disagree with this but I made this to inform people not to blindly say the gods win.
Also the Whis "solos all of DB" is not true in this case due to akira's official scale only has whis at 50%
Stronger than Beerus.
Akira scale:
Goku = 6
Beerus = 10
Whis = 15
Also the whole God Ki argument is INVALID, Vegeta as a Super Saiyan 2 did hurt Beerus (drew blood) and Gold Freiza was kicking Goku's ass and he lacks device Ki
Last but Beerus's feat on splitting a planet with his finger is not as impressive as made out to be, any casual planet buster can do this due to it always takes the same force to destroy a planet no mater what, and Goku android saga even proved Ki control is possible through your finger.
While we know about the gap between Goku Super Saiyan 3 and Beerus or Bills, they use this to say automatically he wins against GT now this is cool and all but most fail to realize that GT is pretty ****ing OP due to some key evidence
1.) —gap between Goku's—
kid Goku base was actually stronger than Buuhan in Buu saga
Now this info is gathered from a event in the fight between General Rildo and Goku.
Goku says that has stronger than Majin Buu, now most will conclude Fat Buu but there's a flaw in that.
First off in the manga Majin Buu is the only term ever said for any form of Buu, and Goku has fought all of these forms of Buu and golden rule of estimating is to round up to account for any known aspects which is Buuhan.
Now another thing that makes fat Buu not possible is they call him "Mr.Buu" after the events of kid Buu.
Now the multiplier for Super Saiyan 3 is 400x via daizenshuu
Super Saiyan 3 is 1,200x
Now why do we assume this?
Well daizenshuu states
Super Saiyan = 50x
Super Saiyan 2 = 2x
Super Saiyan 3 = 4×
Super Saiyan 4 = 10x
Now Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 3 haven't been disproven but Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 4 have massive flaws that don't work.
First I'll do Super Saiyan 2.
Super Saiyan 2 can't equate to 2x being cell was sub 100% yet was effortlessly beating Gohan Super Saiyan now if 2x were the case the gap wouldn't be as large as it was, this is were we developed a logical number 6x
Being the fight was deduced through reason that Gohan was at least 4x cell and cell was sub 50% against Gohan based off the effort cell used.
Thus kid Goku base is minimum 1,200x Buu saga Goku being
Kid Goku > Rildo > Buuhan > Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
Also to those who say kid Goku Super Saiyan 3 is a lot weaker than Super Saiyan 3 adult are wrong, goku in English sub's said he was only a tiny bit weaker as a kid.
2.) —Super Saiyan 4 multiplier —
The 4,000x base does not work in any way due to events in GT
First off let's go through some actually seen evidence.
Bebi vegeta base form effortlessly beat Super Saiyan 3 Goku in fact bebi said he was using a fraction of his power when utterly stomping Goku Super Saiyan 3.
Now let's put this to scale
That would make Bebi a minimum of 1,440,000 times Buu Saga Goku
(1,200×1,200).
We don't know the exact margin between Goku and Bebi but I can say it was worse than Gohan vs Cell.
Bebi also transformed 2 times into super Bebi 1 and Super Bebi 2 are both huge increases of a minimum of 2x each.
Now we know Gold Ozzaru is stronger than a Super Saiyan 3.
Being Super Saiyan 3 Goku got effortlessly beat by Bebi base thus Gold Ozzaru > Super Saiyan 3 multiplier.
He also received TWO, 1,000x blux/bruit wave increase and -blux wave = Ozzaru multiplier.
Now we can get a look on Bebi Ozzaru compared to Super Saiyan 3.
If Goku was getting pounded by Bebi base by a huge margin while he was holding back. I can safely say those numbers. Bebi Ozzaru would be approximately
2×2×1,200×1,000×1,000 = Which is 4.8 billion times Super Saiyan 3 Goku and 5,760,000,000,000 times base or 5.76 trillion times base Goku (4,800,000,000×1,200) And Super Saiyan 4 Goku > Bebi Ozzaru
If we included the theoretical gap between Goku Super Saiyan 3 and Bebi base I would say it was at minimum 10x gap thus the Super Saiyan 4 multiplier would be 57,600,000,000,000 times base or 57.6 trillion times base.
If you all don't believe these events go back and watch it in sub's.
Now let's compare Beerus or Bills.
The common belief is Beerus was using 1% of his power and was 10x stronger at 1%.
This is why people will blindly say Beerus beats GT but let's compare the low ball Super Saiyan 4 multiplier of 5,760,000,000,000 or 5.76 trillion to what 1% would be
If Super Saiyan 3 is 1,200× and Beerus is 10x stronger at 1% that would make Beerus 1,200,000 times Goku base (1,200×100×10).
Thus Beerus is no match for Super Saiyan 4 lol not even close even Bebi saga.
But let's be real about Beerus
In my opinion Beerus was using 1% of his power and was 10,000× times Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
That would mean Beerus was 1,200,000,000 times Goku Super Saiyan 3.
I could even say Beerus was 100,000 times Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 at 1% and beerus was be only 12,000,000,000 times goku base.
Compared to 5,760,000,000,000 or 5.76 trillion low ball for Super Saiyan 4 multiplier and 57,600,000,000,000 or 57.6 trillion for a mid ball.
Now let's cover the scale with a visual
Note these numbers are for examples and are nor legit power levels.
Let's say line 1 is Beerus vs Goku gap
Power level
Let's say A=0
B=1,000,000 (Goku Super Saiyan 3)
C=100,000,000 (Beerus)
Beerus and Goku gap
A----B-------------------------------C
Now let's say Omega and Goku Super Saiyan 4 gap.
A=0
Y=500,000,000 (Super Saiyan 4 goku)
Z=1,000,000,000 (Omega Shenron)
Omega Shenron and Goku Super Saiyan 4 gap.
.
A--------------Y---------------Z
Now let's put it all on one line
A--B-------------C----------------------Y----Z
.
As you can see B and C are very far spread apart but Y and Z are closer together yet Y and Z hold more value
This is why people will automatically assume C is stronger than Z because B and C are further than Y and Z but in reality Z is higher due to over all value.
Now you can disagree with this but I made this to inform people not to blindly say the gods win.
Also the Whis "solos all of DB" is not true in this case due to akira's official scale only has whis at 50%
Stronger than Beerus.
Akira scale:
Goku = 6
Beerus = 10
Whis = 15
Also the whole God Ki argument is INVALID, Vegeta as a Super Saiyan 2 did hurt Beerus (drew blood) and Gold Freiza was kicking Goku's ass and he lacks device Ki
Last but Beerus's feat on splitting a planet with his finger is not as impressive as made out to be, any casual planet buster can do this due to it always takes the same force to destroy a planet no mater what, and Goku android saga even proved Ki control is possible through your finger.
Son Wukong
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We never see Bills at full power... SSj4 Gogeta could probably keep up with him like Goku did, an I say that because i think Goku surpassed SSJ4 Gogeta in god mode...an Bills wasn't at full power. SSj4 Gogeta would probably lose in the long haul if he doesn't go with killer intent. An remember the higher the technique the faster the fusion drains..so time is not on his side.
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Having a time limit is not an argument as we are talking about fights that a fighter would not hold back. Knowing he is about 10x more powerful than Beerus, Gogeta would kill him in a matter of seconds.
Son Wukong
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Ok so all he's doing is speculating that Goku SSG is superior to SSJ 4 even though I posted all those scaling and facts up there. Man you guys need to understand that GT is after 7 freaking years and Goku would've become vastly powerful.
Son Wukong
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Gogeta's Big Bang Kamehameha is more than just a name it carries a lot of power as does its name without having to worry about namesake he was able to overpower Omega`s regeneration, reality warping and universal essence it took a Universal Spirit Bomb to destroy Omega and Gogeta exhibited energies on that level as well as above without having to go truly all out and his time restraints limited him in the process as well.
Gogeta SSJ 4's raw power is more than just raw power behind the magnet that moves its feathers of force he was able to compel, extrapolate, expose, expel thus purify universal dark magic that was able to corrupt reality warping physics in one move of power.
Normal humans cant even percieve DBZ fights, this was already proven during the cell games. The fighting is actually slowed down when "we" the viewer of the anime are watching the fight through "DBZ eyes" or whatever.But in Gogeta's case, His speed is one of the greatest seen in the series, being so swift, not even the viewer is able to see him movements. As an example, he was able to knock Omega shenron away with what appears to be impossible to see blows.
His feats.
Gogeta SSJ 4's raw power is more than just raw power behind the magnet that moves its feathers of force he was able to compel, extrapolate, expose, expel thus purify universal dark magic that was able to corrupt reality warping physics in one move of power.
Normal humans cant even percieve DBZ fights, this was already proven during the cell games. The fighting is actually slowed down when "we" the viewer of the anime are watching the fight through "DBZ eyes" or whatever.But in Gogeta's case, His speed is one of the greatest seen in the series, being so swift, not even the viewer is able to see him movements. As an example, he was able to knock Omega shenron away with what appears to be impossible to see blows.
His feats.
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Super Buu with Gohan was about to collapse another dimension on top of ours-
That feat alone puts him on par with Beerus as kid Buu can destroy planets easily also.
Broli destroyed a small galaxy who's power at max is around fat Buu
It a clears that ssj4 Gogeta is powerful enough to wipe out the entire universe
Tier1
Gotenks ssj
Majim vegeta
Ssj2 goku
Tier 2
Ssj3 goku
Kid Buu
Mystic Gohan
Super Buu
Ubuu
Gotenks lvl 3m
Tier 3
Vegito
Bils
Ssgodss
Golden frieza
Tier 4
Whis
Li Shenlong with all Dragonballs
Tier 5
Ssj4 gogeta
That feat alone puts him on par with Beerus as kid Buu can destroy planets easily also.
Broli destroyed a small galaxy who's power at max is around fat Buu
It a clears that ssj4 Gogeta is powerful enough to wipe out the entire universe
Tier1
Gotenks ssj
Majim vegeta
Ssj2 goku
Tier 2
Ssj3 goku
Kid Buu
Mystic Gohan
Super Buu
Ubuu
Gotenks lvl 3m
Tier 3
Vegito
Bils
Ssgodss
Golden frieza
Tier 4
Whis
Li Shenlong with all Dragonballs
Tier 5
Ssj4 gogeta
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pakitoT3L3K
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Like I know I'm always going on about and **** riding vegito but damn 1 v1 against broly? I don't think bills or whiz can do that.
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