[Discussion] How strong is aizen compared to the sternritters?

[ssjelf]

Original Aizen i mean pre-hogyoku

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He was a rather strong captain and he has kyoka suigetsu, but do you think he could defeat some of the sternritters such as Bazz-B or Bambietta. "Kyoka Suigetsu GG" I know, but perhaps minus the total op of that, how would he fare?

 

[Gokuy]

He get's fodderized neg dif. Give him prep time

 

[scorezor]

i believe aizen is superior than every sternritter...

 

[Mahesvara]

Ks gg .

 

[ssjelf]

Ks gg .

Not buying it. KS should be limited to what we have seen, not by what we can speculate.

 

[Mahesvara]

I'd also say the majority of the Espada are still stronger than the Sternritters.

 

[Thekiddreamer]

itachi totsaku both of em gg

 

[Mahesvara]

Not buying it. KS should be limited to what we have seen, not by what we can speculate.

KS is perfect hypnosis. Nobody has been able to counter it, the only reason Ichigo could fight with Aizen was because he never used it on him. Once your under KS, you've pretty much lost.

 

[ssjelf]

I'd also say the majority of the Espada are still stronger than the Sternritters.

I would say the top 4 are stronger than half the sternritters. Look at zaraki, he had difficulty with espada 5 and after a major powerup had difficulty with gremmy. There are at least 4 or 5 sternriterrs stronger than all the espada.

 

[Mahesvara]

itachi totsaku both of em gg

Aizen uses KS, Itachi totsaku's himself GG.

 

[ssjelf]

KS is perfect hypnosis. Nobody has been able to counter it, the only reason Ichigo could fight with Aizen was because he never used it on him. Once your under KS, you've pretty much lost.

Meh, its really just a plot device, gremmys imagination could potentially break it. He just imagines himself as free from it. Or immune to it. KS is a lot of hype but not much to show for it, best i have seen is some lousy clones or substitution jutsu's.

 

[Mahesvara]

I would say the top 4 are stronger than half the sternritters. Look at zaraki, he had difficulty with espada 5 and after a major powerup had difficulty with gremmy. There are at least 4 or 5 sternriterrs stronger than all the espada.

Gremmy is pretty tough, but if you can mess with his mind you can win. Most of the Sternritters arn't even that strong, they just have weird powers. I believe at least the top 6 Espada can beat the majority of the Steinritters, with a exception of few because we don't know their true powers.

 

[riley freeman]

Not half as strong as their strongest, heck, even in his ultimate form, about 2 or 3 can still beat him or equal him

 

[Mahesvara]

Meh, its really just a plot device, gremmys imagination could potentially break it. He just imagines himself as free from it. Or immune to it. KS is a lot of hype but not much to show for it, best i have seen is some lousy clones or substitution jutsu's.

Gremmy's power does have a weakness, if you mess with his mind it'll effect his thoughts and thats why he lost against Kenpachi. KS has no known weaknesses.

 

[ssjelf]

Gremmy's power does have a weakness, if you mess with his mind it'll effect his thoughts and thats why he lost against Kenpachi. KS has no known weaknesses.

It does, if you touch its blade before it is activated it is null. Also if you haven't seen the release it is null. So gremmy imagines himself as being immune and it doesn't work unless you can make gremmy forget that. But really what you are arguing is which is a stronger plot device, KS or gremmy's imagination. They are both potentially unstoppable until the author says they aren't. This is why I said ignoring the total OP of KS.

We should limit it to what we have seen. Basically it is just an illusion creator. We have seen him use it to create doubles and to disguise someone as himself. We should limit it at that.

 

[Mahesvara]

It does, if you touch its blade before it is activated it is null. Also if you haven't seen the release it is null. So gremmy imagines himself as being immune and it doesn't work unless you can make gremmy forget that. But really what you are arguing is which is a stronger plot device, KS or gremmy's imagination. They are both potentially unstoppable until the author says they aren't. This is why I said ignoring the total OP of KS.

We should limit it to what we have seen. Basically it is just an illusion creator. We have seen him use it to create doubles and to disguise someone as himself. We should limit it at that.

Though current Aizen can apparently use KS without his Sword now, because he effected Juhan Bach's time preception in the initial raid on soul society and he has been restrained in prison lol.

So if we are keeping both OP powers out of this then I still say Aizen is ahead of them, his spirtual pressure was enough to keep the Espada in check and like I said before most of Sternwritters are not very strong, they mainly have just strange abilities.

 

[ssjelf]

Though current Aizen can apparently use KS without his Sword now, because he effected Juhan Bach's time preception in the initial raid on soul society and he has been restrained in prison lol.

So if we are keeping both OP powers out of this then I still say Aizen is ahead of them, his spirtual pressure was enough to keep the Espada in check and like I said before most of Sternwritters are not very strong, they mainly have just strange abilities.

This is what I was looking for, I was trying to gauge how people felt about his straight up power pre-hogyoku. I am not making a statment in particular I just wanted to know what you guys thought. But even if the sternritters only have strange abilities, they also have blut vein which can block a lot of strikes and they have vollstanndigg, There abilities like Bazz_B's are also very storng

 

[Goetia]

Without the Hogyoku, Aizen is still stronger than many of the Sternritter. I can see why you would want to limit Kyoka Suigetsu's feats to what we have seen. If we do that, then I can see a few Sternritter killing him. But if we were to take Kyoka Suigetsu and allow Aizen to use it at it's maximum capacity, then only the likes of Sternritter like Gremmy, Jugram and Yhwach will be capable of taking him. If you give Aizen the Hogyoku, then he kills every last one of them, with the exception of Yhwach.

 

[The Masked Sage]

aizen solos

 

[jiraiya lives]

I'd also say the majority of the Espada are still stronger than the Sternritters.

Heeeeell no, The majority would be 6 or more out of the 10 espada...Only the Top 4 can really compete and there are still sternritters who are stronger than the top 4 espada imo