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I'll say Pre Jin Madara with Mokuton, double Rinnegan, Sage Mode & Ems > Double MS Obito/BSM Naruto/SM Hashi . Last tiers before demi gods
u funny. Madara has no counter to kamui in any form.
I'll say Pre Jin Madara with Mokuton, double Rinnegan, Sage Mode & Ems > Double MS Obito/BSM Naruto/SM Hashi . Last tiers before demi gods
1st this ^^^Stronger then before
EMS Madara level or beyond
no, its better like this
1. kaguya
2. hagoromo
3. sasuke
4. naruto
5. hashirama/madara
obito is 6th sorry but its fact
We already know how strong he is when he needs BM clone Naruto and Sakura as help, lel... Double Kamui takes a lot of chakra even you have Hashirama's DNA cells.
u funny. Madara has no counter to kamui in any form.
No he can react. He makes one finger sign and creates a bunch of clones the moment Obito activates his MS. Or he instantly creates a forest which also serves as a sight blocker, since Madara surround himself with trees too.
Obito of course can just rip off the clones heads, but this will just be a waste of Chakra. Madara has unlimited Chakra, he will be able to create new clones over and over again.
And he can't just get past Susanoo and materialize inside it to warp Madara, since his body is fully surrounded by the Chakra which protects him. Even if Obito could do this, he will only waste his Chakra. He will face 10 clones with Susanoo and thus will waste 10 long range Kamui only to get rid of the clones, which Madara can create without Chakra loss again.
And you may forget that Obito needs to materialize in order to attack; his intangibility makes his position purely defensive. And against Madara, he is simply outnumbered. 20 clones which will surround him and are able to use Susanoo, Mokuton and Rinnegan techniques. If he materializes and uses long range Kamui to snipe one of them, 5 others will attack him immediately. As Madara created a whole forest, he will be able to control the surroundings. Do you remember how Susanoo's sword suddenly shot out of a tree and stabbed Tsunade? This is what can happen while Obito uses his long range Kamui.
Madara has limitless stamina and an immense fire power and variety. Obito will only insist on his Kamui. Passing through objects if he is attacked and manifesting if he's gonna attack.
Double Kamui is indeed haxxed, but it's still only an MS, which can't stand up against the combined power of EMS, Mokuton and Rinnegan.
that debate is heavily flawed. Susanoo is hollow on the inside obito could definitly walk in or teleport in. As far as we know madara can only make 25 clones. 2nd people think a forrest will act like a sight blocker when you can see chakra? Obito can use mokuton aswell and also running out of chakra is not likely obito is a chakra beast and also has chakra theft feats.I'll just reply by quoting an interesting debate I'm following in the collosseum about double MS Obito . I hope this doesnt bother the poster though.
Edo Madara or not . In this scenario this is continual Sage Mode Madara we are talking about , which grants him a colossal amount of chakra power up , note the fact that he's a powerhouse even in base . I'd like to hear your opinion on it .
that debate is heavily flawed. Susanoo is hollow on the inside obito could definitly walk in or teleport in. As far as we know madara can only make 25 clones. 2nd people think a forrest will act like a sight blocker when you can see chakra? Obito can use mokuton aswell and also running out of chakra is not likely obito is a chakra beast and also has chakra theft feats.