how powerful is sasuke's black chidori?

[Arima]

that was kurama/chakra/ rasengan and nice sig

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Question. Why did Sasuke have his EMS/Rinnegan activated when he destroyed half of the meteor? You only need it while using Chidori when you're fighting ninjas who are able to counter you but this wasn't the case with the meteor.

Anyways idk why people are using scans pre-ch. 699, Naruto got Hashirama cells which boost up jutsu's power, increases stamina, and can give access to wood jutsus. Sasuke got Hashirama cells when Kabuto healed him so they both had it by the end of the war arc so both would have stronger jutsus, we were able to see Sasuke's power after getting Hashirama cells but this was against RSM Naruto. Both Naruto and Sasuke are going to be stronger than they were in the war arc; their base is Kage level if not a level above that.

Naruto is able to use FRS with 1 hand in base so his chakra control has greatly increased, I'm sure he's number 1 in chakra control no question now; he had trouble because of Yang Kurama's high reserves but now he has full Kurama and it shows he improved drastically (use to need 2 clones). I don't think Naruto's FRS made impact for us to see its destructive power, he used it to destroy a bunch of puppets.

As for Karin, it's not chakra but real lightning so it wouldn't get stronger just because Sasuke did; he'll have to improve the actual jutsu somehow. Sasuke can increase chidori power by adding more chakra as well as his chakra becoming more powerful but that's because it's a complete jutsu that has both shape manipulation and nature transformation. Rasengan is an incomplete jutsu where as FRS is its complete form. Sasuke's chakra grows powerful as Naruto's chakra reserve grows larger so Sasuke needs fewer chakra to do jutsus Naruto would need the exact amount required but Sasuke can pour even more chakra to strengthen his jutsus and Naruto would do the same. So Naruto's larger rasengan variations are going to be needed since rasengan grows in size with more power as a tbb while a chidori doesn't. Naruto can even it up by making his chakra more powerful using SM's senjutsu, KM/BM's Kurama chakra (full Kurama has much more powerful chakra than Yin or Yang separately) or combined them for KSM/BSM or RSM.

 

[V h o]

Not sure but it is probably the same gap as base rasengan to senpo rasengan. I'm assuming black chidori is influenced by natural energy thus stronger.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yeah, and? I don't have a clear shot of the meteor, but it was still big enough to dwarf 1/3rd of the village and the Hokage hill. Not a mountain buster, but I never claimed a base Chidori was, anyway.

again. Half a meteorite. Can't make that any more clear. It's at best half of what madara cut in half with ps. So if you're not claiming it's mountain buster how can it compare to somthing that is?

Go ahead and show me a screenshot of Naruto using a base FRS and it busting a mountain or something of greater scale and I'll concede. Again: base FRS.

Naruto throwing frs from base automatically puts it at the same strength as sm and kcm frs he threw in the war, and if you saw the movie you know he can throw it from base.

More baseless hype. Are you seriously quoting chapter 1, page 1? Lol

baseless hype? Dude his tails matched sasuke's sword swings. PS sword swing= mountain buster. It's not hype.

It took four tails, but okay.

are you really splitting hair's about that?

Lol, are you even reading my posts? An FRS is obviously stronger than a COR, but that doesn't mean it's a planet buster,

never said COR was planet buster I said it's mountain carver, which it is.

since a COR isn't one to begin with, which is pretty much your entire case - some false hype statement about COR and you're applying it to FRS. It doesn't work like that.

false hype? Dude COR is proven mountain carver. Frs being stronger logically takes it the next step up.

This scan actually hurts your case more than it helps it. Lol

1. Only the cloud of smoke and dust that you see on the far left is from the base FRS. The circle that you probably thought was made by FRS was actually made by Deva's CT. Just check the previous page, it's all there. The actual radius isn't nearly enough to bust a mountain.

I never said the circle was from frs. I specifically said the explosion dwarfed the mountains in the back.

2. Early scan is early.

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- Obviously dwarfing the Raikage, but nowhere near enough to dwarf a mountain. Also, what you showed me in that later scan against Kurama was an SM: FRS, not a base FRS, plus it being bigger than a 50% Kurama doesn't mean it can bust mountains.

so wait kcm frs is acceptable but sm frs isn't? Daphuq? Neither is base, and logically "The last" naruto's frs would be superior to both. Not to mention that scan only shows half the explosion and not the hole frs always puts in the ground.

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- This is the most clear of them all. A base FRS was barely enough to engulf Cerebrus, and only about half as big as the hill Naruto and Nagato were fighting on. How the hell does this equal a mountain?

again that's kcm. Don't defeat yourself. And it's also a poor angle since
@)nagato was flying and it's from his position
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B) that dog multiples as it's hit and frs at it's core is millions of small hits.

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This is a planet busting attack:

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again mountain not planet (get your scale right bruh) and that 1 slash cut through multiple mountains, so obviously it's not on the same lvl as standard ps slash since he cut through a mountain range.

It's supposed to be on a completely different level than a mere base FRS, yet you somehow argue a base FRS (by feats, not hype) = a PS slash?

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For crying out loud, can you not even see that a 100% Kurama is dwarfed by these mountains, but a base FRS destroys them?

that's just Kishimoto lack of scale, I can show scans of him bigger than mountains and bunta's whole body barley covering his neck.

Nope. The Last meteor that a base Chidori destroyed is bigger than the explosion that a base FRS produced in those scans.

half a meteorite<mountain.

Base FRS is, by feats, around large hill level, just like Kirin, which canonically destroyed the hill that Uchiha hideout was in.

sure Kirin was tanked by v2 susanno, yet mads has to step up to v3 susanno to block base Cor, not SM CoR.

Dude... I never said Naruto hasn't perfected his arsenal. All I'm saying is that by feats a base Chidori is stronger than a base FRS. If you wish to rely on hype, then that's fine by me, but I won't argue about it anymore.

Whatever son.

SM CoR= kurama blocks with 4 tails.

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Frs= leaves kurama on his ass

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Tanks nonstop CoR

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SM frs leaves him on his ass:

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Feats is feats right?

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

So, what's your point kid? Do you want me to apologize or something?

No,an older mature person such as yourself should know that when they are proven wrong they should admit it rather then just leave lol.

So you continously talk when you believe that you're right,but don't say a single word when you realize you're wrong.That's funny.

Not surprised though,cause you already did that with me in our first conversation.

 

[Ambivalence]

again. Half a meteorite. Can't make that any more clear. It's at best half of what madara cut in half with ps. So if you're not claiming it's mountain buster how can it compare to somthing that is?

It can, because base a FRS is not a mountain-buster, at least by feats. Whether it scaled in damage in and after The Last is irrelevant, since we still haven't seen it in canon. That's what I'm arguing about.

Naruto throwing frs from base automatically puts it at the same strength as sm and kcm frs he threw in the war, and if you saw the movie you know he can throw it from base.

Of course I saw the movie, and all that base FRS did was cut a few puppets. The damage/destruction scale wasn't actually shown, so you still have no proof that it's a mountain-buster or above, as usual, especially since pre-The Last Naruto's base FRS isn't a mountain-buster.

baseless hype? Dude his tails matched sasuke's sword swings. PS sword swing= mountain buster. It's not hype.

So wrong. Are you really comparing a Rikudou PS and a RSM Kurama avatar's damage/tanking capabilities with the normal Kurama? Okay. By the way, the tail that met Sasuke's swing was cut the moment the hit connected [

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]. Also, this doesn't change the fact that it hasn't actually busted a mountain. A PS Sword =/= a Kurama tail, one cuts while the other doesn't, unless, for the last time, you provide a scan where Kurama busts a mountain with its tail swing. I've wrote more about it on my point below.

are you really splitting hair's about that?

Splitting hairs about what? That COR was blocked by a 50% Kurama's 4 tails. If a 50% Kurama RSM avatar's tail was destroyed by a Rikudou-infused PS, what chance do you think a 50% Kurama has of actually blocking a PS slash and having no visible damage, as was the case with the COR. Do you realize what I'm saying? If a stronger tail version of Kurama failed to withstand an actual mountain+ busting attack, how does a COR bust mountains when it was blocked and deflected by a weaker Kurama tail?

Even then, this is completely not needed, since the hype that you only have going on was said for 100% Kurama. So, what does that logically mean - even if your hype was true (which is not proven, at the very least), that would mean that only 100% Kurama's tail would bust a mountain, and would, in turn, tank a mountain-buster. Since the Kurama that deflected the COR was 50%, meaning half, that would mean COR's destructive capabilities are half the level of a mountain.

And even then, this is all irrelevant since you still haven't provided a scan of COR busting an actual mountain, or Kurama busting mountains with his tail (or creating tsunamis, was it? Lol).

never said COR was planet buster I said it's mountain carver, which it is.

That was a typo, I obviously meant to say mountain-buster. I edited it out a few minutes later.

false hype? Dude COR is proven mountain carver. Frs being stronger logically takes it the next step up.

Lol, this is where I stand and wonder where you posted a scan of COR being proven to be a mountain-buster. Note that proven can only mean one thing - a scan which shows COR's damage capabilities, which must be at least mountain-level. You don't have such a scan, yet it's somehow proven?

I never said the circle was from frs. I specifically said the explosion dwarfed the mountains in the back.

It really didn't, unless you need glasses. Most of that ''explosion'' was dust and smoke anyway, not an actual radius of FRS, like in the scans I provided, against the Raikage and Cerberus, and the ones you provided - against 50% Kurama. That's like me saying regular fire is an immediate mountain buster, just because it can produce large amounts of smoke if left to burn.

so wait kcm frs is acceptable but sm frs isn't? Daphuq?

SM obviously adds nature energy to the FRS, making it stronger, as confirmed in canon by Pa [

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]. KCM is just a chakra mode that gives Naruto various perks, like a faster Shunshin and the ability to make Rasengans with chakra arms. It doesn't add any extra power in his techniques. All of KCM Naruto's base Rasengans with which he damaged various ET zombies were their normal level. A base jutsu is a jutsu that hasn't been infused with any extra power, like Nature energy. In short, KCM added no extra power to the FRS I posted (against Raikage and Cerberus).

If this was BSM Naruto casting the FRS you would have countered me, but it isn't.

...logically "The last" naruto's frs would be superior to both.

Possibly, and most likely. I have never denied that, which you fail to understand. What I'm arguing about, for the 100th time, is that a base Chidori has larger damage capabilities than a base FRS by feats. Just try to understand those last two words.

Not to mention that scan only shows half the explosion and not the hole frs always puts in the ground.

Lol, look again. That FRS caught Raikage in the air, so there is no damage beneath to take into account. That was all there was to it. If you meant this about Cerberus, then it doesn't really matter since it was only wide enough to engulf half its body. If that FRS took

And it's also a poor angle since
@)nagato was flying and it's from his position

So? Lol, that actually gives it a much better viewing, since if it was a ground view, you wouldn't see how far the jutsu spans. This is actually a really fail counter, since even the scans you provided were viewed from the air.

B) that dog multiples as it's hit and frs at it's core is millions of small hits.

How the hell does that matter to a mountain? It's not a living thing, so it wouldn't affect it.

again mountain not planet (get your scale right bruh)

FFS, couldn't you figure out I mistyped? Nothing in Naruto is a certified planet-buster, yet you thought I meant a PS slash is?

and that 1 slash cut through multiple mountains, so obviously it's not on the same lvl as standard ps slash since he cut through a mountain range.

The hell? Lol, that's the same thing as a PS slash, only Madara spun around and it obviously affected all the mountains. Are you even serious with this?

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Countered.

that's just Kishimoto lack of scale

What a weak excuse. I can pretty much counter your whole ''argument'' with Kishimoto's ''lack of scale'', but you don't see me doing it. I suggest sticking to facts, instead of blaming the scale.

I can show scans of him bigger than mountains and bunta's whole body barley covering his neck.

Did it even cross your mind that not all mountains are of the same scale? There are mountains bigger than cities, there are some that are smaller than Konoha. This whole part of your post is irrelevant.

half a meteorite<mountain.

True, and wrong. I go into detail about it below.

Kirin was tanked by v2 susanno

Lmao, Kirin was tanked by a V3 Susano'o. You even know what V2 is? Obviously V4 is too much for Kirin, especially with Yata, V2 is Itachi's skeletal Susano'o, which is too weak, so it was logically V3.

Lol, this actually reminds me. If Kirin destroyed a V3 Susano'o, and Kirin is a moderate/large hill-level buster, what does that make COR, when it was stopped merely by Madara's ribcage Susano'o [

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]? You're basically saying Madara's ribcage Susano'o can tank a supposed mountain-buster, when Itachi's V3 Susano'o was obliterated by a non-mountain buster Lol.

yet mads has to step up to v3 susanno to block base Cor, not SM CoR.

Look above, it was ribcage Susano'o that stopped the technique. It stopped it, meaning that it wasn't immediately broken and Madara annihilated by it, like it would have happened if he took a true mountain-buster attack with only a ribcage for a defense, like a TBB. Also, that was V2 Susano'o that he later activated, get the versions straight. The only reason Madara activated it was to punch Naruto out of the way.

SM CoR= kurama blocks with 4 tails.

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Countered many times above.

Frs= leaves kurama on his ass

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A 50% Kurama's half body being engulfed by an SM: FRS, which, again, is stronger than a base FRS, tanking it with moderate damage, and yet... a base FRS is somehow a mountain-buster. Right.

Tanks nonstop CoR

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Indeed, somehow a 50% Kurama tanks multiple mountain busters without that much problem, huh? Not to mention, 1 COR =/= a barrage of them, unless you now think multiple CORs is the same thing as a single COR. Are you trying to help me with my argument? Lol

SM frs leaves him on his ass:

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Yup, SM, not base, plus all the other things I listed above.

Feats is feats right?

Indeed, and none of the ones you posted prove a base FRS is a mountain-buster. All you're doing is trying to reach to that conclusion with some flawed logic.

So, have a look at this. While it is true the meteor Sasuke destroyed was, by itself, smaller than a normal-sized mountain...:

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...the explosion that occurred after was significantly larger.:

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This is the base Chidori explosion, which completely shits on anything shown by a base FRS. My point is proven, since I pretty much know all of base FRS's feats in the manga, and nothing in there trumps the explosion above, which is larger than at least half of Konoha. Nice arguing with you.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

^I though this guy was done posting. Lol