Sennin of Logic
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In this thread, I'll demonstrate what Naruto's BSM ransengan is capable of if Minato doesn't help him. However, so that I won't infuriate people who believe that I'm wanking Naruto, I'll be calculating the weakest it can be. I'll give the nay-sayers the full advantage. You judge the extent afterwords.
First off, I'd like to debunk the argument that the only reason why the ransengan damaged Obito's defense is that it has natural energy, not that it's powerful enough to do something.
The reason why sage attacks work on Obito is because it has natural energy inside of them, which is also what's inside of the juubi, so its attacks have to have at least traces of natural energy, which means that Obito can be vulnerable to his own attacks. Response: "You have no proof!"
Actually I do. When Obito launched 4 Juubi TBB's, he shielded himself using the black orbs. He doesn't need the orbs to destroy ninjutsu while being unharmed.
As you can see, Obito can delete attacks with his body. This means that he should be immune to Juubi TBBs without the orbs, but he shielded himself with the orbs, which means that he's vulnerable to them and they have Natural energy.
Alright, now for the actual thread. Let's take a look at what the orbs tank.
No signs of damage after tanking 4 Juubi TBBs. It's debatable how much orbs he used, but I'll use the arguments that have give Naruto a disadvantage. So let's say he used all the orbs that he could. He has 10 orbs in total.
He turns 6 into rods for the 6 flames formation.
So Obito used at most 4 orbs, but I'll count it for my calculation to give Naruto the disadvantage.
Let's see what happens when Naruto and Minato ransengan his orbs after getting through his chakra arms.
Seeing as how he was just shown to put the power of multiple orbs in one form, it's possible he did the same to what stopped the attack. Again, I'll choose the argument that doesn't support Naruto as much and say that this was 1 orb.
So with the calculation that makes Naruto's power seem as small as possible, it's 4 Juubi TBBs divided by 4 orbs, which leaves the attack to be stronger than a single Juubi TBB.
However, there's another important factor. How much of a part did Naruto play in that ransengan? My personal view is that Minato made a ransengan, and then Naruto added his sage enhanced chakra, making the strength of his alone greater than half.
Some however, make the argument that they both contributed equal amounts of chakra, and then Naruto added natural energy, enhancing it. This essentially means that the attack was full Kurama+SM. This means that Naruto contributed to half of the attack's power. Following what I said in the upper OP, I'll go with argument #2.
Where does this leave Naruto's BSM ransengan? Given my calculations, the absolute weakest it can be interpreted from manga scans and not making crap up and raging in denial is GREATER THAN HALF THE JUUBI'S TBB!
Imagine how powerful Naruto's BSM charged TBB is! Hope this clears up how strong Naruto can make his ransengan by himself and how much power increase he has.
First off, I'd like to debunk the argument that the only reason why the ransengan damaged Obito's defense is that it has natural energy, not that it's powerful enough to do something.
The reason why sage attacks work on Obito is because it has natural energy inside of them, which is also what's inside of the juubi, so its attacks have to have at least traces of natural energy, which means that Obito can be vulnerable to his own attacks. Response: "You have no proof!"
Actually I do. When Obito launched 4 Juubi TBB's, he shielded himself using the black orbs. He doesn't need the orbs to destroy ninjutsu while being unharmed.
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As you can see, Obito can delete attacks with his body. This means that he should be immune to Juubi TBBs without the orbs, but he shielded himself with the orbs, which means that he's vulnerable to them and they have Natural energy.
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Alright, now for the actual thread. Let's take a look at what the orbs tank.
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No signs of damage after tanking 4 Juubi TBBs. It's debatable how much orbs he used, but I'll use the arguments that have give Naruto a disadvantage. So let's say he used all the orbs that he could. He has 10 orbs in total.
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He turns 6 into rods for the 6 flames formation.
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So Obito used at most 4 orbs, but I'll count it for my calculation to give Naruto the disadvantage.
Let's see what happens when Naruto and Minato ransengan his orbs after getting through his chakra arms.
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Seeing as how he was just shown to put the power of multiple orbs in one form, it's possible he did the same to what stopped the attack. Again, I'll choose the argument that doesn't support Naruto as much and say that this was 1 orb.
So with the calculation that makes Naruto's power seem as small as possible, it's 4 Juubi TBBs divided by 4 orbs, which leaves the attack to be stronger than a single Juubi TBB.
However, there's another important factor. How much of a part did Naruto play in that ransengan? My personal view is that Minato made a ransengan, and then Naruto added his sage enhanced chakra, making the strength of his alone greater than half.
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Some however, make the argument that they both contributed equal amounts of chakra, and then Naruto added natural energy, enhancing it. This essentially means that the attack was full Kurama+SM. This means that Naruto contributed to half of the attack's power. Following what I said in the upper OP, I'll go with argument #2.
Where does this leave Naruto's BSM ransengan? Given my calculations, the absolute weakest it can be interpreted from manga scans and not making crap up and raging in denial is GREATER THAN HALF THE JUUBI'S TBB!
Imagine how powerful Naruto's BSM charged TBB is! Hope this clears up how strong Naruto can make his ransengan by himself and how much power increase he has.
