[Discussion] How powerful is Marco really?

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Marco is on similar lvl like Doffy.

He ain't no admiral lvl.

We are yet to see TS Marco so I can't say anything about that.
He'd lose to the Admirals high diff.

Only people who would get high diff against Admirals are Yonkos at the moment.That's what I think.

No Yonko can pull a mid against Admirals so I won't put Marco on Yonko lvl.

Marco is on doffy lvl or stronger.
 
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Marco is on similar lvl like Doffy.

He ain't no admiral lvl.

We are yet to see TS Marco so I can't say anything about that.



Only people who would get high diff against Admirals are Yonkos at the moment.That's what I think.

No Yonko can pull a mid against Admirals so I won't put Marco on Yonko lvl.

Marco is on doffy lvl or stronger.
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No. Yonkos and Admirals extreme diff each other. Marco loses high diff. He's up there, but not that up there.
 

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No. Yonkos and Admirals extreme diff each other. Marco loses high diff. He's up there, but not that up there.
Yeah freak extreme I forgot bout that he he he

I really don't get why are u overrating Marco so much.He's so overrated.

I can agree if Admirals win mid diff against Marco but high? I think that's too much for him.

About which admiral are we talking?
 
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How the flying fuuck did Marco seem stronger than Kizaru ? Y'all trippin...

Marco is a little above Doflamingo level. He can't do sht to the admirals, his offensive capabilities lack big time.
Agreed with everything excluding the last sentence. How can you say his offensive capabilities lack big time when we never saw much to begin with? He sent Kuzan flying a considerable distance. His offensive power mainly lies in his physical power and top that with his regeneration ability, he's OP even if it has a limit.

OT: He is admiral level by the TS. I'll assume that the WB pirates are going through rigorous training to kill BB.
 

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Agreed with everything excluding the last sentence. How can you say his offensive capabilities lack big time when we never saw much to begin with? He sent Kuzan flying a considerable distance. His offensive power mainly lies in his physical power and top that with his regeneration ability, he's OP even if it has a limit.

OT: He is admiral level by the TS. I'll assume that the WB pirates are going through rigorous training to kill BB.
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marco is is on admiral lvl, he is vice captn of a yonko's crew after all just think of him as ben beckman of whitebeard crew. but akainu is just stronger than him. and we saw nothing abt him fighting.
 

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Admiral level.

First mate of Yonkos (big/strong) crews were portrayed as being on Admiral level.

Silvers at old age is strong enough to put good fight against Kizaru. (In prime he would do way better)
Marco clashed equal with Kizaru.
Kizaru raise his hands in air when he confort Benn.
 

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Admiral level.

First mate of Yonkos (big/strong) crews were portrayed as being on Admiral level.

Silvers at old age is strong enough to put good fight against Kizaru. (In prime he would do way better)
Marco clashed equal with Kizaru.
Kizaru raise his hands in air when he confort Benn.
pretty much this and add to it gorosei believe he can take out BB
 

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I would think that Marco (Yonko First Commander) would be close to Admiral level. Even Rayleigh and Benn Beckham (First Mates) were shown as being admiral level or at lease close to it.

Had Whitebeard fought Akainu 1vs1 with no outside interruption, it seemed obvious the fight would have been a Mid Diff fight in Whitebeards favor. Had Whitebeard been in his prime, Akainu would have suffered worst. Even Shanks was shown to be vastly superior to Akainu after easily blocking his attack with one arm, and making akainu stand down, even after Akainu swore to not let Luffy live.


Yonko First Mates seem to equal Admirals
Yonko's seem to be superior to Admirals
Yonko's seem to equal Fleet Admirals (Garp, Sengoku, ect)
 
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I believe he is the strongest firstmate outside Rayleigh of course

Marco is someone highly confident in his potential abilities to the point of

1- Talking down to even a yonkou like Shanks:
2- Joking around admiral attacks:
3- Being full confident he could rescue Ace by himself despite being guarded by a fleet admiral(Sengoku) and a legendary marine(Garp):

WB himself trust his power enough to:

1- Give him full responsibility in protecting Luffy against any enemy in marineford:

The Gorosei themselves:

1- Put him in the same breath with yonkous
2- Highly confident in his strength to the point they think he is the only one besides Yonkous themselves who can take down Teach

And yes i know they said Marco and the remnants Whitebeard, but it's the same with Yonkou and Teach. When they are mentioned, it's obviously not just the captains. Marco was under WB on the otherside, so they couldn't have said and Yonkou Marco or the Marco pirates. It's for that reason they said Marco and the remnants Whitebeard pirates.

Marco's name was clearly spoken separately from the rest of the crew, indication that he is the strongest & most important member. They considered him specifically out his group & made the comparison. Just like you would say Shanks and the Red Hair, Big Mom and the Big Mom pirates and now Marco and the WB remnants and so on.

It's a crew vs crew in globality but with the captains as main factors. Even after losing their captain, their 2nd division commander, their 3rd division commander being permanently crippled, & overall their entire crew being severely crippled, distraught, and emotional torn after battling the entire force of the WG, they were still compared to the other yonkou with Marco as their leader

Feats

Kizaru couldn't make him tangible while using his strongest attack to date(yasaka no magatama). Marco on the other side while shrugging off Kizaru's attacks as if nothing happened, flew in and appeared above Kizaru before he even had time to realise it, forced Kizaru into a guarded position, and actually break through his guard with sheer force, sending him crashing to ground from an insane distance in marineford at an incredible speed: After which, Kizaru even warned the other marines to be weary of Marco. He also came at Aokiji with enough power, he broke through his weapon and still had enough force to send him flying: This let's you know he is at least on par with the admirals when it comes to physical strength if not above. He is a zoan after all(and a mythical one). The best fruit when it comes to physical strength boost

In terms of endurance/stamina, he shrugged off a heavy punch from Garp, tanking multiple lasers in back from Kizaru even while under the effects of sea-stone(even a blast right through the chest): , and showed no signs of slowing down even till the end of the war. One of those lasers alone was enough to take down supernovas in Shabondy. Multiple of them don't take down Marco despite letting his guard down, being under kairoseki(so impossibility to regenerate) and being heavily restricted
 
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I believe he is the strongest firstmate outside Rayleigh of course
good analysis but I'd atleast wait till we see the other first mates. I feel Shanks crew might be the strongest when it comes to concentrated power, meaning quality not quantity.

Also I'll add the fact that Marco is the one person Akainu couldn't get through on panel atleast. People always lump him together with the rest of the WB pirates when it came to stopping Akainu but it was really only him protecting everyone else.

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As for the people who lump him together with the likes of . Just like WB gave him orders, Marco is giving Vista orders.
 

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good analysis but I'd atleast wait till we see the other first mates. I feel Shanks crew might be the strongest when it comes to concentrated power, meaning quality not quantity.

Also I'll add the fact that Marco is the one person Akainu couldn't get through on panel atleast. People always lump him together with the rest of the WB pirates when it came to stopping Akainu but it was really only him protecting everyone else.

[ ] [ ]

As for the people who lump him together with the likes of . Just like WB gave him orders, Marco is giving Vista orders.
I think they are just close to Shanks in strength. Doesn't mean however that they are the strongest. What i mean by that is that the fact that WB pirates are in the crew of the world strongest man makes them seem weaker because their captain is above everyone in the entire world. In Red Hair's case however, their captain is weaker than WB but the compensation of having a crew close to him make them seem stronger than they actually are

For example, Yasopp seems like Shanks's second or 3rd strongest fighter after Ben Beckman, and he has a rivarly with Vista who is weaker than Jozu or Marco.

I do think Vista is weaker than Marco, but i also believe you underrate him. He isn't so much weaker. If it was the case, Marco would not be this confident to send him holding off Mihawk(but you underrate him anyway) to help Luffy in escaping or help him fight Akainu. It's like Luffy allowing Franky to help him fight Akainu. Do you see it happening? He'd only be this confident if it was a fellow monster trio member. Hell they even asked someone like Jinbei to step back because they judged he won't make a difference. If Marco did it, it must mean that he considers Vista as capable enough to make a difference even in a fight against top tier characters.

The way i personally see it, Vista is around as strong as Marco without his devil fruit regeneration or if i were to add Jozu, it's his diamond defense that makes him more dangerous. In Marco's case, his regeneration is a big factor making him a greater danger and that many people overlook. It's very crucial when you possess an ability that allows you to attack your opponent without caring of his assaults. You can shrug off his attacks and overpower him at the same time and i think it's the thing that makes Marco more dangerous. In terms of stats however, i believe Vista is very close to him as demonstrated by the fact that when they attacked Akainu, Vista tagged Akainu at the same moment as flying Marco and they dealt similar level of damage with their basic mean of attack+haki suggesting closely similarity between both in these areas and later on were pushing him back. I know anime isn't cannon, but i'd show you how they interpreted it similarly to me



This scene also showed that his haki was powerful enough to protect his blade against Akainu's magma(something that could instantly melt swords without contact, that scroched Jinbei or that even fire Ace couldn't protect himself against). Vista also most probably can create range slashes too and considering his nickname(flower blade Vista), most probably even has greater variety of flower swords type of attacks, which gives him an advantage Marco doesn't possess(Marco is a close range fighter), but as stated beforehand, his regeneration makes him a greater threat in combat

So yes, Vista is weaker, but not as weaker as you think
 
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This is that OP section logic. They hit an admiral omg he's admiral level. They block an attack from an admiral omg he's admiral level.

How come Luffy isn't admiral level he basically did what Marco did sent an admiral flying back L00l.

Marco offense if poor id put him on Sabo level no higher.
 

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This is that OP section logic. They hit an admiral omg he's admiral level. They block an attack from an admiral omg he's admiral level.

How come Luffy isn't admiral level he basically did what Marco did sent an admiral flying back L00l.

Marco offense if poor id put him on Sabo level no higher.
Lol ikr, Marcos stats offensively are ass but yet apparently he can give an admiral high diff. Luffy did better with that elephant gun than Marco did with his kick and both Kizaru and Fuji were blocking against the attacks.

But no one wants to give Luffy credit where its due, if it was someone else they would be wanked out of the ass right now.
 

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Lol ikr, Marcos stats offensively are ass but yet apparently he can give an admiral high diff. Luffy did better with that elephant gun than Marco did with his kick and both Kizaru and Fuji were blocking against the attacks.

But no one wants to give Luffy credit where its due, if it was someone else they would be wanked out of the ass right now.
How do you know his offensive stats are ass? We barely saw much out of it. He has good physical strength and that's where his offensive power resides. Not to mention, he has a lot of portrayal to put him up against an admiral. Bogard's post shows Marco's portrayal and feats nicely.
 

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This is that OP section logic. They hit an admiral omg he's admiral level. They block an attack from an admiral omg he's admiral level.

How come Luffy isn't admiral level he basically did what Marco did sent an admiral flying back L00l.

Marco offense if poor id put him on Sabo level no higher.
Ex ****ing actly! I can't believe some of these posts :wesobi:
 

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He is mid Yonko/Admiral level. Can beat all warlords except for maybe Mihawk and Doflamingo.

Disclaimer, this all due to portrayal, and is TS.

PTS is probably high Warlord level, losing to only Doflamingo and Mihawk.

I'd place him around Sabo, Marco being higher, but Sabo could surpass with more experience with his DF.
 
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