[Discussion] How old do you think the Earth is?

[Brother Numpsay]

Lol

Did you not just post that all of the scriptures were of God's word?

The book of Jasher has a passage that tells what happened between Issac, Ishmael and Abraham so how is it non cannon?

I post a quote from scripture stating all is inspired.

 

[Karna]

Like 2-3 days, depending on whose perspective you look from. Could be infinite too, or not even a single instant.

 

[ComplexCity]

I post a quote from scripture stating all is inspired.

Well I can find you the verse stating what I said. Regardless you didn't answer my question. How is it non cannon if it depicted the events that unfolded between Isaac, Ishmael and Abraham?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Well I can find you the verse stating what I said. Regardless you didn't answer my question. How is it non cannon if it depicted the events that unfolded between Isaac, Ishmael and Abraham?

This is from a pseudepigraphal Jewish work

 

[ComplexCity]

This is from a pseudepigraphal Jewish work

Ok so you're not gonna answer the question ok. It specifically explains what happened

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ok so you're not gonna answer the question ok. It specifically explains what happened

Lol i guess you not read the simple answer. The answer is clear: Its pseudepigraphal. Are you going to research its meaning? Or ill just Google a link for you:

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[ComplexCity]

Lol i guess you not read the simple answer. The answer is clear: Its pseudepigraphal. Are you going to research its meaning? Or ill just Google a link for you:

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It was in the original Hebrew bible :|
Like Nanana said, there were books that were taken out, you can't refute this.

 

[Kirokill]

Not sure but I know it is more than 20k years.

Won't post claim backup because of personal mood.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

It was in the original Hebrew bible :|
Like Nanana said, there were books that were taken out, you can't refute this.

The original Hebrew Bible was the Torah (first five books of the now-Bible). That's it. Every book that was taken out, such as the Gospel of Thomas and all the Apocrypha, was taken out because it was deemed as uninspired by God at the Council of Trent (or Nicaea, I forget). That's when the first 66-booked Bible came to be (and the Catholics have their own Bible).

 

[ComplexCity]

The original Hebrew Bible was the Torah (first five books of the now-Bible). That's it. Every book that was taken out, such as the Gospel of Thomas and all the Apocrypha, was taken out because it was deemed as uninspired by God at the Council of Trent (or Nicaea, I forget). That's when the first 66-booked Bible came to be (and the Catholics have their own Bible).

Bro, like I was saying before, the BOJ describes the events of what I stated above how is it not cannon? That means that it was taken out by man

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Bro, like I was saying before, the BOJ describes the events of what I stated above how is it not cannon? That means that it was taken out by man

Its only confusing only because the BOJ that was taken out, was dated to be made in AD (Waaay after BC)! IT wasnt the REAL BOJ:

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[ComplexCity]

Its only confusing only because the BOJ that was taken out, was dated to be made in AD (Waaay after BC)! IT wasnt the REAL BOJ:

This site breaks down everything:

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I will check this out later and ask my cousin and friend who studies this. I could be wrong

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Bro, like I was saying before, the BOJ describes the events of what I stated above how is it not cannon? That means that it was taken out by man

So because something describes something, it should automatically be declared at God-inspired or canonical? No.

 

[InfiniteDream]

Older than my grandma, for sure.

 

[ComplexCity]

So because something describes something, it should automatically be declared at God-inspired or canonical? No.

How can one accurately describe a situation if they were not present for it? By this logic I could disregard the whole Bible, the bible was altered by King James in England. This is a fact

 

[Awkward Linguist]

I say 6 minutes

 

[Aim64C]

The original Hebrew Bible was the Torah (first five books of the now-Bible). That's it. Every book that was taken out, such as the Gospel of Thomas and all the Apocrypha, was taken out because it was deemed as uninspired by God at the Council of Trent (or Nicaea, I forget). That's when the first 66-booked Bible came to be (and the Catholics have their own Bible).

This is not necessarily true.

Divine inspiration was not necessarily the main reason for inclusion in the Bible. One could say it was not really all that much of a point.

The most important was whether or not the scripture had survived in the archives. Many scriptures existed in fragmentary or damaged form. Part of the job of the council was not just trying to figure out which books to use - but also what was usable within the surviving scripture.

Consider that some of the scriptures were literally traced back to fragments - fragments of different languages and eras stitched together to form a semi-coherent complete text if you were lucky enough to have proficient translators for those languages.

Since then, more surviving fragments (and near-complete scriptures) have been recovered. Missing scriptures have been found, and works predating the scripture used during the council's decision have also been found.

At the time, though, there was not the massive volume of scripture that we have today.

One of the other reasons to include/exclude came in the ability to verify the origins of the scripture. Did other scholars mention this scripture existing? Is the author known?

You also had political factors. The goal of the Bible was to create a standardized text for the Christian faith. You had the Gnostics in one part of the world using completely different sets of scripture from the Byzantine churches who were using different scripture than what the Coptic churches were using.

Excluding books that were very popular in a set of churches wouldn't be as bad (as they could always provide them as an addendum) - but INCLUDING books that groups of churches in one area deemed heretical would be a good way to fracture the church.

Including Revelations was about as risky as they chose to get aside from their decision to include the Gospel of John.

So, from a political standpoint - it was more risky to include books than it was to exclude them. Thus, the Bible can be thought of as a "bare minimum platform."

This is why other churches still included additional books for some time. The Book of Enoch is particularly interesting and used to be very common in many bibles.

The issue of "divinely inspired" is basically a catch-all phrase meaning the above issues rolled into one nice phrase.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

How can one accurately describe a situation if they were not present for it? By this logic I could disregard the whole Bible, the bible was altered by King James in England. This is a fact

Well, God...and the Gospels were based on eyewitness accounts. All of the epistles were letters to people, so describing history wasn't the point of the letters. The only books you could really exclude is some of the OT.

And how do you exactly what happened in those accounts? You're assuming that the Book of Jassher accurately described things.

And by your logic, we might as well all believe in Mormonism. Joseph Smith is really amazing at accurately telling history without being there. lol

 

[ComplexCity]

Well, God...and the Gospels were based on eyewitness accounts. All of the epistles were letters to people, so describing history wasn't the point of the letters. The only books you could really exclude is some of the OT.

And how do you exactly what happened in those accounts? You're assuming that the Book of Jassher accurately described things.

And by your logic, we might as well all believe in Mormonism. Joseph Smith is really amazing at accurately telling history without being there. lol

So tell me, why does the bible refer to the book of Jasher then?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I say older than me.

Aim64C and Sir Derp, can you try dumbing it down for us scrubs next time? It sounds interesting but I'm not following...