[Theory] How Obito is still alive

[Defendaga]

I've recently seen a lot of hostility to the idea of Tobi being Obito due to plot-holes/errors. I will thus give my own insight on why it could remain consistent with the story.


How Obito could have survived being crushed:
I believe Obito survived this is due to his awakening of the Mangekyo Sharingan from the trauma of the event, which would have been right after sacrificing his left eye to Kakashi. Thus being able to activate Kamui to escape.
I doubt that Obito was actually rescued from the rubble, as who would really be keeping an eye on Obito to begin with as he was a seemingly normal uchiha with no apparent special abilities. It's more likely he was "rescued" after being able to escape.

Based on this, I believe it's very likely he was taken in by either:

Madara - Madara Uchiha himself lived a long life, as he knew of Nagato, so he may have took Obito on as his protégée.

Orochimaru - As it can be interpreted in chapter 489 that Kabuto knew who Tobi was, and Orochimaru loves to experiment, but he can't bring people back from the dead (with the exception of edo-tensei, but Obito doesn't really have such features of an edo-tensei zombie).

From here on, Obito was very likely experimented on while being treated for his injuries, hence why he is part senju (Izanagi).


My theory for Obito actually wanting to complete 'Infinite Tsukuyomi' is to bring back Rin, chapter 599 heavily fixates on Obito's relationship with Rin, and I don't think it's a far stretch based off 'Kakashi Gaiden' to say that Obito was in love with her.
I think Obito himself would have been heavily manipulated into this plan.

His hostility to Konohagakure (and perhaps the Uchiha Clan itself) may be due to a link with the Third Shinobi World War. It's not known when Rin died, but if it was during the war, and if Konohagakure/Uchiha was partially responsible for the war itself or whatever situation Rin may have been in, it may very well explain his hate.



Just a note to those criticising Kishimoto, this was very likely planned from the beginning or from at least the Kakashi Gaiden segment. Kishimoto is rather infamous for extremely long plot-devices, as seen with Naruto coughing out the crow 200 or so chapters after Itachi originally gave it to him. There's very likely valid reasoning behind all of this.

 

[dominicansharingan]

Didn't read but +rep for all that work

 

[b1azeph0en1x]

It was Madara. He injected some of Hashirama's cells into him to regenerate his crushed body parts, before corrupting his mind into the Eye of the Moon plan.

 

[bK 2 iNsAn3]

But why a half dying kid who just awoke his sharingan. Well have to wait til next week to find out. The manga is still awesome in my opinion.

 

[Defendaga]

But why a half dying kid who just awoke his sharingan. Well have to wait til next week to find out. The manga is still awesome in my opinion.

If he managed to awake MS, then he would be of great interest to either Madara or Orochimaru.

 

[BloodRootAnbu]

Just a little theory I have. Maybe cause of the stress his body was going through and the love he had for Rin, he activated his MS. Not knowing he transported himself else where. Someone behind the scenes we don't know of yet reconstructed Obito. Now check this out, Ocochimaru is leading Sasuke and his posse to a person that knows the truth behind everything. That person may have created Zetsu and use the same process on Obito. With Senju blood in him and the right training, he could grow powerful fast. Look at the timeline at both Sasuke and Obito. If Kishi can make Sasuke so powerful in 2-3yrs, why not a now Senju blooded Obito? There is so much to be reveled. Someone aided Madra in his survival after his fight with the First. The experiments on the First's blood was conducted way before Orochimaru did. Everything Obito said over the course of him being behind the mask can be true. Always remember he can go in your mind and receive the truth. The Sharigan has that ability, if one is skilled. I have so much more to write, but this is just my brief theory.

 

[gaaradona]

ok im confused im not trying to be like any of the fan queens that are in denial saying its not obito but theres one minor plot hole because i remember during kakashis death he was going to meet minato, rin and obito and it showed them maybe it was just his imaination that he seen all of them i believe its obito 100%

 

[Houssem Uchiha]

I don't think he awoke his MS and just figured out how to teleport just like that
also One does not simply turn the whole world to a Zombie apocalypse for avenging one dead girl
I for once would feel extremely trolled that after al of those Badass moments tobi had that his real motive was just avenging his crushes death that just unacceptable

 

[Defendaga]

I don't think he awoke his MS and just figured out how to teleport just like that
also One does not simply turn the whole world to a Zombie apocalypse for avenging one dead girl
I for once would feel extremely trolled that after al of those Badass moments tobi had that his real motive was just avenging his crushes death that just unacceptable

The only alternative I see is that team Minato were being stalked, and whoever was stalking swooped in to rescue Obito for their own agenda.
Although, it should be noted, Obito seemingly had his MS activated during the fight with Minato (which took place around 1 - 2 years later), as he was able to use Kumai.
It wouldn't just be Rin, either, but his opposition to the ninja code. It's plausible that Obito was brainwashed, but due to bias, I would rather see Obito following through with this plan for his own agenda.

 

[Naruto6Axis]

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[jaykuhz]

Didn't read but now the most "logical" thing would be his s/t ninjutsu is what saved him.

 

[noted]

I have an idea of how Obito is still alive.

Obito was used by Madara, just as Sasuke was used by Orochimaru. I have an idea that Obito survived albeit crippled, and was found and taken in by Madara. Hence his gained knowledge, zetsu cells, Senju DNA, and so forth. Obito was swayed and moulded in the ideals of Madara, hence his personality shift from a clumsy happy-go-lucky guy to a serious focused person intent on power and control.

In this way, we see the parallels between Obito and Sasuke, and how Sasuke rebelled against Orochimaru, and similarly Obito against Madara (e.g. by hinting that Obito did not revive Madara as planned/expected, amongst other things). And I like how this development ties in very well within the manga.

 

[Chatte]

Than how do you explain this?

Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.

The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.

 

[Honord Sage]

Look at the last picture,you can clearly see Zetsu repair work on Obito's right side of His body.

 

[6PathsofKami]

Agree kishi will explain all of it in the next 2/3 chapters and its not only Rin that made Obito who he is now, its everything that has happened to him and we dont know all of it.