[Theory] How Obito Got Strong Enough to Face Minato, Etc;

[UchihaMadara10]

Lol people just wait every thing will be clear soon enogh and iam not sure why obito is hating konoha is he hate some one it must be kakashi lol and we need to wait to see the truth ≧﹏≦

this guy is saying right.obito should have killed kakashi if he grudge against konoha because rin died or something else but why fight the whole world to complete shit eye plan.don't tell me obito didn't want someone else to suffer like him.there are also other theories saying obito killed rin to get MS in which i believe a little.but i don't understand why obito is doing this shit..

 

[boshans]

I actually posted the math on that to Lola's Unbelievable thread. It appears that it was not only Obito that went toe-to-toe with Minato, but a 14-year-old one at that, judging by the age of Naruto as compared to Kakashi.

Yeah, I had a thread a while ago with everyone's age and when all the big events happened and stuff. If people read it they would clearly see that only a year passed between Obito dying and attacking Konoha. Not to mention a bunch of other stuff that I thought was pretty accurate. And by no means was it a Tobi isn't Obito thread, but I thought it pretty clearly established that it was quite impossible for Obito to be Tobi...and yet here we are.

Also, beyond all the timeline differences and how a 14 year old could beat Minato and all that...I find it just really really really REALLY dumb that Obito turned into this supremely evil person. Like seriously, think about it. What happened to him that was so bad? His life was nothing like Naruto's, no one hated him just because he had the Kyuubi inside him. Even Sasuke had it harder, at least Obito still had the entire Uchiha clan and didn't see everyone murdered before he died. The worst thing that happened to Obito was Rin just wanting to be friends with him, when clearly Obito had a love interest in her, and Rin having a love interest in Kakashi it seems. Same thing With Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura. So this made Obito want to destroy the entire world and put everyone in a worldwide Genjutsu? All because the girl he liked didn't like him that way? Really?

Kishi better come up with something better, because that reasoning is the stupidest thing I have ever heard for him to turn evil. Hell even if he saw Rin die between him "dying" and him attacking Konoha, I still don't see how that would be enough to turn him into Tobi. It is presumed Rin died in between those two events, since she wasn't in Konoha during the Kyuubi attack. So basically Rin dying and Kakashi not being able to protect her, and Rin liking Kakashi and not Obito, are the reasons for Obito turning into Tobi.

So he's waging this whole war and being really evil just to get back at Kakashi basically, if you think about it that way. Pretty damn lame if you ask me. I don't see how Kishi can make a good enough reason for Obito to turn into this evil evil person in the span of one year, that isn't the reasons I already listed. What could have possibly happened to him in that one year? Nothing? Everyone thought he was dead, it's not like they shunned him or something. And all of a sudden he hates the entire Uchiha clan and wants to kill them all to? Just doesn't make sense.

 

[Mari Makinami]

Also, to everyone who thinks Madara trained Obito...Madara did not ****ing train Obito, so that is out. Madara was not alive 17-16 years ago, he just wasn't, everyone get over it..

Yeah, and you write something like that like you know for sure. You know how you sound? Like all those people who always said that Tobi cant be Obito. Yeah, exactly like them. And look how things turned out? Funny isn't it? Your opinion is subjective, but you make it sound like it's absolute. Learn to express yourself the right way, because you sound like an angry fan who wants thing to be his way, but they're not.
And if I put things YOUR way, I can say - You're wrong, get over it. Doesn't sound right? Well that's exactly how you sound.

 

[Memoria]

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Lol what manga are you reading? Minato beat him!

If you're referring to him dying at that night, it was Minato's choice, he could've let Kushina seal the Kyuubi in herself and die with him. But he chose to win the Kyuubi by sealing him into Naruto, and therefore protect the village.

Minato's death wasn't as pointless as people think, in fact his sacrifice made Naruto what he is now!

 

[dwest151]

Seriously, if Obito really is Tobi, mind and all, only one thing could make it worse. The reason why he got so powerful in a year's ****ing time. I suspect that reason is going to be that he locked himself in his alternate dimension for a long period of time, and trained by himself there to get stronger. Kind of like DBZ and the thing Vegeta and Trunks and people trained in that made time go by slow. I think that would be the stupidest reasoning ever as to why Obito could get so strong in a year, but I don't see any other way it is possible.

Also, to everyone who thinks Madara trained Obito...Madara did not ****ing train Obito, so that is out. Madara was not alive 17-16 years ago, he just wasn't, everyone get over it. Madara said himself he died shortly after he awakened his Rinnegan, and we know he gave his Rinnegan to Nagato when Nagato was a child. So even if a couple years passed between Madara awakening his Rinnegan and giving it to Nagato, after he gave it to Nagato he would have died pretty much right away, or shortly after. He gave his Rinnegan to Nagato, according to my calculations, 46 years ago. Obito was no where near born yet, so Madara was definitely NOT ALIVE 16 years ago. Madara didn't train Obito. Obito probably trained by himself, in his stupid alternate dimension. It was even said that time doesn't exist in that dimension, if I remember correctly. So in theory he could just stay in there however long he wants and train. This also would explain why his body looked much older during the Kyuubi attack than Kakashi or Guy's...since his body would still age even if he trained in his Kamui world.

I really hope this is not why Obito could get so strong in such a short amount of time, it would be such a ****ing lame reason if it is.

Madara is like 80 years old 10 years could very well be a short period of time, and how do you know Tobi only had one year until the fight against Minato.

 

[KillerMode]

How did obito know rin died

 

[KillerMode]

I think obito uses kakashis eye to see things like how rinnegan is used or on the manga special (I think it's a special) you see tobi and zetsu
talk about the infinit tyusumi (I think that's how it's spelled) and tobi looking through a globe and you see the fourths statue I think the globe is connected somehow to obitos other sharangan so he sees the leaf through kakashis eyes he also said it that kakashi would be his eyes. Might anaswer my question above he might of seen rin die through kakashis sharangan eye.

 

[Genjitxu]

Cuz he got a half taste of what any Uchiha who goes mangekyo gets. His T/S abilities are tax but to account for a two second fight that he lost I'd say even a weakling like Obito got even more of a boost because his sharingan was special

 

[Goodboy]

this guy is saying right.obito should have killed kakashi if he grudge against konoha because rin died or something else but why fight the whole world to complete shit eye plan.don't tell me obito didn't want someone else to suffer like him.there are also other theories saying obito killed rin to get MS in which i believe a little.but i don't understand why obito is doing this shit..

Well in all honosty even though tobi is the mail villain he isnt evil. he just wants peace. he believes the eye of the moon plan is peace. still its not evil...

 

[KillerbYo]

Maybe he was trained by Orochimaru, or root. He wasnt completely perfect against Minato.
Maybe Kamui is simply also really op.

 

[6PathsofKami]

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Last time I checked Minato fcked Tobi up pretty bad with one rasengan before he ran away like a biatch.

 

[kimbo]

dangai tobi

 

[Rexoniel]

Last time I checked Minato fcked Tobi up pretty bad with one rasengan before he ran away like a biatch.

Last time I checked, Tobi was the cause of Minato and his wife's deaths while he lived to see another day. In my book that's Minato's loss.

 

[hanothemano]

well he does have ms, and at that young of an age i can see him using extreme uchiha hax to lvl up

 

[SO7P]

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lol xd

 

[stu21]

Maybe the guy who fought Minato was Izuna with a borrowed Obito eye, then Izuna died from old age and Obito proceed to continue Masked Man's work adopting the name Tobi that is very similar with Obito, Obi-to --> to-Obi --> Tobi

 

[sageadvice]

So he's waging this whole war and being really evil just to get back at Kakashi basically, if you think about it that way. Pretty damn lame if you ask me. I don't see how Kishi can make a good enough reason for Obito to turn into this evil evil person in the span of one year, that isn't the reasons I already listed. What could have possibly happened to him in that one year? Nothing? Everyone thought he was dead, it's not like they shunned him or something. And all of a sudden he hates the entire Uchiha clan and wants to kill them all to? Just doesn't make sense.

Well, his stated intention is to start a war that will bring about peace. And the world of Infinite Tsukiyomi, devoid of any free will, would be the instrument of that peace. So, it's not so much that he's evil, just really, really, extreme... cuckoo for cocoa puffs extreme. So, the real question is what drove him over the edge.

dwest151, Tobi was the reason for the fabled 9-Tails Attack on Konoha, and such attack took place the day Naruto was born. At the beginning of the manga, Naruto is 12, and Kakashi was 26. Kakashi and Obito would have been the same age. 26-12=14. The attack took place when Kakashi, and therefore Obito, was 14. Kakashi Gaiden took place when Kakashi was 13, and therefore Obito was 13. 14-13=1. So, one year for Obito to go from ninja with no skill to being a super hokage level.

 

[SSJ4 Naruke]

Well doesn't obito have zetsu/hashirama dna? Maybe senju's are like the saiyan's. They maintain their youth.

 

[Ultimate Sage Power]

Seriously, if Obito really is Tobi, mind and all, only one thing could make it worse. The reason why he got so powerful in a year's ****ing time. I suspect that reason is going to be that he locked himself in his alternate dimension for a long period of time, and trained by himself there to get stronger. Kind of like DBZ and the thing Vegeta and Trunks and people trained in that made time go by slow. I think that would be the stupidest reasoning ever as to why Obito could get so strong in a year, but I don't see any other way it is possible.

Also, to everyone who thinks Madara trained Obito...Madara did not ****ing train Obito, so that is out. Madara was not alive 17-16 years ago, he just wasn't, everyone get over it. Madara said himself he died shortly after he awakened his Rinnegan, and we know he gave his Rinnegan to Nagato when Nagato was a child. So even if a couple years passed between Madara awakening his Rinnegan and giving it to Nagato, after he gave it to Nagato he would have died pretty much right away, or shortly after. He gave his Rinnegan to Nagato, according to my calculations, 46 years ago. Obito was no where near born yet, so Madara was definitely NOT ALIVE 16 years ago. Madara didn't train Obito. Obito probably trained by himself, in his stupid alternate dimension. It was even said that time doesn't exist in that dimension, if I remember correctly. So in theory he could just stay in there however long he wants and train. This also would explain why his body looked much older during the Kyuubi attack than Kakashi or Guy's...since his body would still age even if he trained in his Kamui world.

I really hope this is not why Obito could get so strong in such a short amount of time, it would be such a ****ing lame reason if it is.

It was the ramen guy who trained obito like i said before in one of my threads don't let the fact that the ramen guy looks like an ordinary guy selling ramen decieve you that dude knows some shit the ramen thing is just to throw us off the scent so we don't suspect him but you watch i bet you orochimaru and sasuke are gonna visit the ramen guy like i said he may look like some ordinary guy but i believe otherwise, he is the guy who knows everything

 

[Ultimate Sage Power]

Seriously, if Obito really is Tobi, mind and all, only one thing could make it worse. The reason why he got so powerful in a year's ****ing time. I suspect that reason is going to be that he locked himself in his alternate dimension for a long period of time, and trained by himself there to get stronger. Kind of like DBZ and the thing Vegeta and Trunks and people trained in that made time go by slow. I think that would be the stupidest reasoning ever as to why Obito could get so strong in a year, but I don't see any other way it is possible.

Also, to everyone who thinks Madara trained Obito...Madara did not ****ing train Obito, so that is out. Madara was not alive 17-16 years ago, he just wasn't, everyone get over it. Madara said himself he died shortly after he awakened his Rinnegan, and we know he gave his Rinnegan to Nagato when Nagato was a child. So even if a couple years passed between Madara awakening his Rinnegan and giving it to Nagato, after he gave it to Nagato he would have died pretty much right away, or shortly after. He gave his Rinnegan to Nagato, according to my calculations, 46 years ago. Obito was no where near born yet, so Madara was definitely NOT ALIVE 16 years ago. Madara didn't train Obito. Obito probably trained by himself, in his stupid alternate dimension. It was even said that time doesn't exist in that dimension, if I remember correctly. So in theory he could just stay in there however long he wants and train. This also would explain why his body looked much older during the Kyuubi attack than Kakashi or Guy's...since his body would still age even if he trained in his Kamui world.

I really hope this is not why Obito could get so strong in such a short amount of time, it would be such a ****ing lame reason if it is.

It was the ramen guy who trained obito like i said before in one of my threads don't let the fact that the ramen guy looks like an ordinary guy selling ramen decieve you that dude knows some shit the ramen thing is just to throw us off the scent so we don't suspect him but you watch i bet you orochimaru and sasuke are gonna visit the ramen guy like i said he may look like some ordinary guy but i believe otherwise, he is the guy who knows everything why else would we see itachi and kisame in the ramen shop in part 1 duh the akatsuki etc have secret meetings with the ramen dude.