How Naruto lost Rikudou Sage Mode

[Avaitto]

It is said that RSM is a gift from Hagoromo and it's resembled by the lack of pigmentation around his eyes while he is in Sage Mode:

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The way he received it is because the Yang seal on his hand possesses Hagoromo's senjutsu chakra because Hagoromo possesses some kind of RSM without being Juubi's jinchuriki:

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And when Naruto uses his KCM, his RSM is shown with it's full form and abilities like flying and and having TSB:

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It's also stated in the Shikamaru novel that having the chakra of all the Bijuus is also a requirement.

So RSM requiars 2 thing:

1. Hagoromo's chakra
2. All 9 Bijuus chakra

When Hagoromo gave Lord Sasuke and Naruto the seals the chakra he gave was not permanent, because you need to give them body cells or Bijuu permanent chakra because Hagoromo was not immortal.

And Naruto is supposed to be the meeting place so he won't lose their chakra.

So when Naruto and Lord Sasuke fought they lost all the chakra they had from Hagoromo and the prove of this is this:

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Adult Naruto does have pigmentation around his eye's while in sage mode and he only loses them when he is in his KCM(with 9 bijuu chakra):

And his eye's are orange not yellow like in RSM and his skin glows and doesn't have 9 tomoe on his back and can't fly or use TSB:

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The reason that he has no pigmentation is because having all Bijuus chakra like with Juubi jinchurikis is also a way to attain RSM but it's really not enough to have the same effect Hagoromo's chakra had on him:

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Some people think that Hagoromo's chakra is permanent because Lord Sasuke didn't lose his Rinnnegan.

The way Rinnegan is awakened is by merging Senju chakra with the Sharingan, and it didn't go back to EMS because Sasuke had Hachirama cells from Kabuto which means the chakra that comes from it is permenant:

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Hagoromo only helped Sasuke awakening it by giving him already merged chakra which help the merging of the chakra he had before.

Do you agree?

 

[Avaitto]

He doesn't need the Yang seal for RSM. He lost it after they sealed Kaguya but he still used RSM against Sasuke

Because he still had some chakra left.

His RSM got weaker after he lost Yang seal:

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[wanderingcactus]

There's no point of him using RSM...

In terms of writing, RSM is too OP and basically is a means to end all conflict. Someone dying? BOOM insta rebirth.

The same reason as Sasuke no longer using any Path techs and solely relying on his tomoed rinnegan.

But whatever the case may be, they can both regain their power by simply taking or borrowing the bijuus' chakras again.

I believe both of their RSM abilities are dormant due to low chakra. More so in Sasuke's case with all the dimension traveling and all.

Naruto's case would be being behind a desk that he can't even go home.

Momoshiki taking all but the 9tails also put a cap on his chakra. So Kurama is no longer whole again and they are nerfed.

Not like he ever needs that since he can just use Kurama senjutsu to gather all surrounding chakra anyways.

 

[chaos control]

First off, can you stop calling him "Lord Sasuke"? I know Aoda called him that, but as a real life fan it kind of makes you sound grovelly and pathetic worshipping a fictional character just because he is your favorite. My favorite is Madara, yet I don't call him Lord Madara or Madara-sama even though he has actually been called that in the manga. Heck, I like Naruto too, yet I don't call him Lord Naruto or even Lord Seventh which is technically his title in the manga.

I know that I can't control what you say, so you do you, but I'm just saying bro.

OT: I have to disagree for a few reasons.

1. Hagoromo has given out permanent chakara gifts before. Think about ninshuu. Hagoromo shared his chakara with humanity for the purpose of bringing peace to the world via ninshuu. Of course, this would involve chakara transfers from Hagoromo to all of his followers (and I'm sure he didn't give his followers any special cells that you speak of). Now it wouldn't make sense for those chakara gifts to be temporary. Hagoromo wanted ninshuu to be used and passed down for all time to come. What sense would it make then for him to give people the means to carry out his dream for only about an hour or so? I thought Hagoromo wanted eternal world peace, but if what you're saying is correct, then I guess he only wanted peace for a few minutes.

The same can also be said regarding Asura. We know that Hagoromo gave Asura a powerup as the leader of ninshuu in a similar manner to how he gave power to Naruto and Sasuke. Well, if Hagoromo's chakara gifts are temporary, then I guess he only wanted Asura to act as leader of ninshuu for a few hours, huh? Then he better figure out something for himself! Imagine this:

Hagoromo: Asura, come here.
Asura: Yes dad?
Hagoromo: I'm making you the leader of ninshuu.
Asura: Sweet, but I don't really know if I have the power to carry that role out.
Hagoromo: Don't worry, I'll give you some of my power... for a day
Asura: Sweet... wait what? For a day? Well what am I going to do about ninshuu tomorrow?
Hagoromo: Heck if I know! Go Google it!


Do you see what I mean? From a narrative perspective, it makes no sense for Hagoromo's chakara gifts to be temporary.

This same concept applies to Hagoromo's chakara gifts to Naruto and Sasuke. Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke power in order to help them defeat Madara and Kaguya. Well, what if the battle had taken much longer than it did? If so, then Naruto, Sasuke and the world would have been screwed if the power was temporary. Think about it like this:

Hagoromo (talking to Naruto and Sasuke): So anyway, like I was saying, it took my brother and I months to defeat my mother and seal her away. That is why I am giving each of you half of my power for few minutes, so that you can try and pull off some miracle and seal her in that small amount of time. Go get' em champs!

Naruto: Wait just a second...

Hagoromo: Who has time to wait ya fool? You only have this power for a few minutes. Hurry along now. Your RSM is running out.

Do you see what I mean? This is why the chakara from Hagoromo could not have been temporary if you ask me. It just makes no sense.


2. You used the picture of adult Naruto having the pigmentation as proof that Naruto lost RSM, but you are making a mistake here. Toad SM and RSM are two different sage modes. Just because Naruto has RSM, doesn't mean he lost access to toad sage mode.

3. Rinnegan is not Senju chakara + sharingan. It is Indra's chakara + Asura's chakara (though the sharingan is most likely involved since Asura and Naruto got Hagoromo's chakara, yet they didn't awaken the rinnegan).

4. This is a little unrelated, but if Kishi seriously did take away Naruto's RSM, then he really knows how to crap on his main character and piss a lot of fans off. Why would you give the rival all the good stuff and then take away the one really good and versatile thing that you gave the main character? That's just nonsense.

 

[Animegoin]

All I know is, once the Momoshiki fight is animated; we’ll see if Naruto utilizes RSM or not. Naruto has 6 of the 9 Magatama on his back in the manga but they aren’t arranged like they’re supposed to be. Naruto also didn’t have the chakra of the other tailed beasts within him during this fight.

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[To Whatever]

First off, can you stop calling him "Lord Sasuke"? I know Aoda called him that, but as a real life fan it kind of makes you sound grovelly and pathetic worshipping a fictional character just because he is your favorite. My favorite is Madara, yet I don't call him Lord Madara or Madara-sama even though he has actually been called that in the manga. Heck, I like Naruto too, yet I don't call him Lord Naruto or even Lord Seventh which is technically his title in the manga.

I know that I can't control what you say, so you do you, but I'm just saying bro.

OT: I have to disagree for a few reasons.

1. Hagoromo has given out permanent chakara gifts before. Think about ninshuu. Hagoromo shared his chakara with humanity for the purpose of bringing peace to the world via ninshuu. Of course, this would involve chakara transfers from Hagoromo to all of his followers (and I'm sure he didn't give his followers any special cells that you speak of). Now it wouldn't make sense for those chakara gifts to be temporary. Hagoromo wanted ninshuu to be used and passed down for all time to come. What sense would it make then for him to give people the means to carry out his dream for only about an hour or so? I thought Hagoromo wanted eternal world peace, but if what you're saying is correct, then I guess he only wanted peace for a few minutes.

The same can also be said regarding Asura. We know that Hagoromo gave Asura a powerup as the leader of ninshuu in a similar manner to how he gave power to Naruto and Sasuke. Well, if Hagoromo's chakara gifts are temporary, then I guess he only wanted Asura to act as leader of ninshuu for a few hours, huh? Then he better figure out something for himself! Imagine this:

Hagoromo: Asura, come here.
Asura: Yes dad?
Hagoromo: I'm making you the leader of ninshuu.
Asura: Sweet, but I don't really know if I have the power to carry that role out.
Hagoromo: Don't worry, I'll give you some of my power... for a day
Asura: Sweet... wait what? For a day? Well what am I going to do about ninshuu tomorrow?
Hagoromo: Heck if I know! Go Google it!


Do you see what I mean? From a narrative perspective, it makes no sense for Hagoromo's chakara gifts to be temporary.

This same concept applies to Hagoromo's chakara gifts to Naruto and Sasuke. Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke power in order to help them defeat Madara and Kaguya. Well, what if the battle had taken much longer than it did? If so, then Naruto, Sasuke and the world would have been screwed if the power was temporary. Think about it like this:

Hagoromo (talking to Naruto and Sasuke): So anyway, like I was saying, it took my brother and I months to defeat my mother and seal her away. That is why I am giving each of you half of my power for few minutes, so that you can try and pull off some miracle and seal her in that small amount of time. Go get' em champs!

Naruto: Wait just a second...

Hagoromo: Who has time to wait ya fool? You only have this power for a few minutes. Hurry along now. Your RSM is running out.

Do you see what I mean? This is why the chakara from Hagoromo could not have been temporary if you ask me. It just makes no sense.


2. You used the picture of adult Naruto having the pigmentation as proof that Naruto lost RSM, but you are making a mistake here. Toad SM and RSM are two different sage modes. Just because Naruto has RSM, doesn't mean he lost access to toad sage mode.

3. Rinnegan is not Senju chakara + sharingan. It is Indra's chakara + Asura's chakara (though the sharingan is most likely involved since Asura and Naruto got Hagoromo's chakara, yet they didn't awaken the rinnegan).

4. This is a little unrelated, but if Kishi seriously did take away Naruto's RSM, then he really knows how to crap on his main character and piss a lot of fans off. Why would you give the rival all the good stuff and then take away the one really good and versatile thing that you gave the main character? That's just nonsense.

That ether..

 

[Avaitto]

First off, can you stop calling him "Lord Sasuke"? I know Aoda called him that, but as a real life fan it kind of makes you sound grovelly and pathetic worshipping a fictional character just because he is your favorite. My favorite is Madara, yet I don't call him Lord Madara or Madara-sama even though he has actually been called that in the manga. Heck, I like Naruto too, yet I don't call him Lord Naruto or even Lord Seventh which is technically his title in the manga.

I know that I can't control what you say, so you do you, but I'm just saying bro.

OT: I have to disagree for a few reasons.

1. Hagoromo has given out permanent chakara gifts before. Think about ninshuu. Hagoromo shared his chakara with humanity for the purpose of bringing peace to the world via ninshuu. Of course, this would involve chakara transfers from Hagoromo to all of his followers (and I'm sure he didn't give his followers any special cells that you speak of). Now it wouldn't make sense for those chakara gifts to be temporary. Hagoromo wanted ninshuu to be used and passed down for all time to come. What sense would it make then for him to give people the means to carry out his dream for only about an hour or so? I thought Hagoromo wanted eternal world peace, but if what you're saying is correct, then I guess he only wanted peace for a few minutes.

The same can also be said regarding Asura. We know that Hagoromo gave Asura a powerup as the leader of ninshuu in a similar manner to how he gave power to Naruto and Sasuke. Well, if Hagoromo's chakara gifts are temporary, then I guess he only wanted Asura to act as leader of ninshuu for a few hours, huh? Then he better figure out something for himself! Imagine this:

Hagoromo: Asura, come here.
Asura: Yes dad?
Hagoromo: I'm making you the leader of ninshuu.
Asura: Sweet, but I don't really know if I have the power to carry that role out.
Hagoromo: Don't worry, I'll give you some of my power... for a day
Asura: Sweet... wait what? For a day? Well what am I going to do about ninshuu tomorrow?
Hagoromo: Heck if I know! Go Google it!


Do you see what I mean? From a narrative perspective, it makes no sense for Hagoromo's chakara gifts to be temporary.

This same concept applies to Hagoromo's chakara gifts to Naruto and Sasuke. Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke power in order to help them defeat Madara and Kaguya. Well, what if the battle had taken much longer than it did? If so, then Naruto, Sasuke and the world would have been screwed if the power was temporary. Think about it like this:

Hagoromo (talking to Naruto and Sasuke): So anyway, like I was saying, it took my brother and I months to defeat my mother and seal her away. That is why I am giving each of you half of my power for few minutes, so that you can try and pull off some miracle and seal her in that small amount of time. Go get' em champs!

Naruto: Wait just a second...

Hagoromo: Who has time to wait ya fool? You only have this power for a few minutes. Hurry along now. Your RSM is running out.

Do you see what I mean? This is why the chakara from Hagoromo could not have been temporary if you ask me. It just makes no sense.


2. You used the picture of adult Naruto having the pigmentation as proof that Naruto lost RSM, but you are making a mistake here. Toad SM and RSM are two different sage modes. Just because Naruto has RSM, doesn't mean he lost access to toad sage mode.

3. Rinnegan is not Senju chakara + sharingan. It is Indra's chakara + Asura's chakara (though the sharingan is most likely involved since Asura and Naruto got Hagoromo's chakara, yet they didn't awaken the rinnegan).

4. This is a little unrelated, but if Kishi seriously did take away Naruto's RSM, then he really knows how to crap on his main character and piss a lot of fans off. Why would you give the rival all the good stuff and then take away the one really good and versatile thing that you gave the main character? That's just nonsense.

Kaguya got her chakra from the fruit and it was later given to her 2 sons, this means that the permanent chakra is from the Juubi or the Bijuus when he was a jinchuriki, and the people who recieved it didn't have any KKG which can only be given to people through blood(directly from Hagoromo, Hamura and other Otsutsuki). And even If you can it's not possible to give a KKM like RSM or Rinnegan.

 

[chaos control]

Kaguya got her chakra from the fruit and it was later given to her 2 sons, this means that the permanent chakra is from the Juubi or the Bijuus when he was a jinchuriki, and the people who recieved it didn't have any KKG which can only be given to people through blood(directly from Hagoromo, Hamura and other Otsutsuki). And even If you can it's not possible to give a KKM like RSM or Rinnegan.

I disagree. You are literally saying that Hagoromo gave the people bijuu chakara. If that was the case, then people should have been going berserk with bijuu cloaks and whatnot. Remember, not everyone can handle bijuu chakara. Also, RSM is not a KKG or a KKM.

 

[Avaitto]

I disagree. You are literally saying that Hagoromo gave the people bijuu chakara. If that was the case, then people should have been going berserk with bijuu cloaks and whatnot. Remember, not everyone can handle bijuu chakara. Also, RSM is not a KKG or a KKM.

All chakra came from the tree so all people have low quality bijuu chakra.

 

[Avaitto]

All I know is, once the Momoshiki fight is animated; we’ll see if Naruto utilizes RSM or not. Naruto has 6 of the 9 Magatama on his back in the manga but they aren’t arranged like they’re supposed to be. Naruto also didn’t have the chakra of the other tailed beasts within him during this fight.

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Don't use Ikemoto's trash filler manga please.

LOL wtf, Naruto has a DBZ kii aura LOLOLOL so much filler.

 

[Nick01]

The "only" thing Naruto and Sasuke lost were their seals, which its only purpose was to seal Kaguya. That's it.

Naruto can still under go this mode if he wants to :

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How? All he needs to do is to call on the other Bijuus.

So no, Naruto did not lose RSM.

This really isn't hard to grasp. :|

 

[Jiren]

How can you make posts like this and then another thread talk about how you want a life size Sasuke doll to **** you. Like what's your dealio man are you a professional troll or some kid high on cocaine

 

[Avaitto]

The "only" thing Naruto and Sasuke lost were their seals, which its only purpose was to seal Kaguya. That's it.

Naruto can still under go this mode if he wants to :

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How? All he needs to do is to call on the other Bijuus.

So no, Naruto did not lose RSM.

This really isn't hard to grasp. :|

And why didn't he call the other Bijuus when Momoshiki was about to destroy Konoha or when he was going to get killed in another dimension?

 

[Avaitto]

How can you make posts like this and then another thread talk about how you want a life size Sasuke doll to **** you. Like what's your dealio man are you a professional troll or some kid high on cocaine

Can I be your boyfriend, I think your cute Jiren <3.

 

[Nick01]

And why didn't he call the other Bijuus when Momoshiki was about to destroy Konoha or when he was going to get killed in another dimension?

Plot obviously.

Hell even against Toneri, Naruto could've simply went BM or RSM and proceed to one shot.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Does Naruto have 9 biju chakra?

 

[Avaitto]

Plot obviously.

Hell even against Toneri, Naruto could've simply went BM or RSM and proceed to one shot.

No he obviously lost it, no need to be sad or mad, he still got the other half of Kurama and got a Hashirama hand unlike Lord Sasuke.

 

[Avaitto]

Does Naruto have 9 biju chakra?

Yes, because he is their meeting place.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes, because he is the their meeting place.

Isn't having 9 biju chakra the requirement of having Rsm? I remember Hagormoo telling

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[Avaitto]

Isn't having 9 biju chakra the requirement of having Rsm? I remember Hagormoo telling

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Bijuus chakra is a condition that will allow Nardo to get RSM when he gets Hagoromo's RSM chakra.

If Nardo had more Bijuu chakra because he only has a really small amount of it, he may unblock RSM, and the prove is that he loses the pigmentation hhen he enters KCM but the color is orange instead of yellow.