[Question] How much of a challenge is Smoker to Luffy, from 1-10?

[LitzSabr]

Maximum 7.

 

[Hexuze]

I knew ppl underestimated Smoker, but ... just wow

Yeah and once they see Smoker kicking ass again they'll start overestimating him. -__-

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Anything below a 7 is underestimating Smoker. And a 7 is quite harsh.

 

[TheHokage]

I knew ppl underestimated Smoker, but ... just wow

It's just the imbeciles who can't judge power scales and assume Smoker is weak because of his certain losses however what they fail to realize is that the people he lost against would be countered as high tier.

For people who are caught up with the manga read.

Spoiler

Vergo would have beat Law if it wasn't for his hax DF, and the way Vergo battled which is close quarter combat I'd be willing to say he'd give Luffy a hard time and even possibly defeat Luffy.

Then there's loss to Doflamingo who when you think about it was never going to lose then not to mention Smoker was still injured from his fight against Vergo so he was never going to put up a decent fight anyway.

But getting back to the point you can't base how a Luffy vs Smoker fight would turn out from his fights on Punk Hazards other than of course the Vergo fight and it was clear Oda was showing Vergo was a top tier (First mate to Doflamingo) by having him be defeated by both Smoker and Law.

Luffy and Smoker actually have similar styles of fighting and unlike Law Luffy does not have a hax DF and he doesn't have a DF like Doflamingo's, in a fight between both Smoker and Luffy I believe it will actually be pretty close to a tie and could go either way to be honest, but again this will probably be lost on most people who now believe Smoker is weak due to the fact he lost in a fight (Because no character's ever lost before right).

 

[TheCCV]

Except for Mr. Outside, is everybody here judging from 10 being the highest diff??

 

[System001]

With 1 being how easily Luffy took out Alvida, and 10 being how he struggled against Crocodile, I'd say 3-5, or at least I would like to. I guess Luffy being a contact based fighter could make it vastly more difficult for him to beat Smoker than it is for others who are presumably on the same level as him.

 

[Hexuze]

With 1 being how easily Luffy took out Alvida, and 10 being how he struggled against Crocodile, I'd say 3-5, or at least I would like to. I guess Luffy being a contact based fighter could make it vastly more difficult for him to beat Smoker than it is for others who are presumably on the same level as him.

The underestimation is unreal.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I give Smoker a 7.

This I think 7 also.

 

[Shinichi Izumi]

People have been underestimating Smoker recently because of some recent events. I'd say Luffy would beat smoker with 8 difficulty with a 10 being highest difficulty

 

[Sherlock.]

Current Luffy can easily beat current smoker. I'd say on a scale of 1 - 10 with 1 as lowest and 10 as the best. Smoker is below 5. I'm not underestimating Smoker but come on guys.... Smoker got beaten up by them (no name since Spoilers not allowed) so Luffy is too much for him.

 

[Anduril]

I am inclined to give smoker a 5.
For reason read below and understand it has major spoilers,

Spoiler

As smokers recent opponent pointed out his df just makes his body big which any user with good armament haki skill would exploit to his own advantage.
Also when we talk about smokers kairoseki weapon we should not forget that luffy's Gear second speed is just too much for smoker now.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

I suppose 1 means Smoker is so weak to challenge Luffy and 10 means Smoker is equal to Luffy.

in this case I would give Smoker 6\10

for few reasons

 

[EveryThingAnime]

Based on what I've seen ... I think Luffy would take Smoker.
I guess I have to give a number -- 6. I can't really judge Smoker's power level since the time skip. I mean, he has only fought people out of his league.

 

[David1996]

Smoker is an ass, my boi Luffy got this....

 

[Hijey]

Based on what I've seen ... I think Luffy would take Smoker.
I guess I have to give a number -- 6. I can't really judge Smoker's power level since the time skip. I mean, he has only fought people out of his league.

I think you mean stronger because he never fought people out of his league.

OT: Current Smoker is a 9, so he would at the very least lose high difficulty against Luffy(I think it would be extreme difficulty). Where you're currently at, they are both a 10 meaning they are more or less equally strong. However, because Luffy had no means of hitting the likes of Smoker at that point(like Zoro vs Enel), he would lose every single time. I do think Luffy improved at a slightly faster rate after the Enies Lobby arc and beyond.

For people up to date with the manga

Spoiler

Smoker vs Law: You could replace Smker with any of the M3 at the time Smoker fought Law and they would have put up a worse fight than Smoker because at that time their knowledge of Law's abilities were worse than Smoker's. Smoker was also a second away from defeating Law, but ultimately he lost because he didn't know enough about Law and his hax. Now that he actually fought him and knows what he can do, Smoker would obviously perform better than last time and probably be able to beat Law.

Smoker vs Vergo: From the panels we saw, Smoker was not touched by Vergo even once and got in 2(or maybe 3, I forgot) hits on Vergo. Smoker then went on to using a losing tacting because he was indebted to Law and promised to get his heart. Oda did not portray Smoker as weaker than Vergo but he left it ambigious, meaning fight could go either way between them.

Smoker vs Doflamingo: He did not have his jutte, which grealy helps against devil fruit users and the fight was off paneled so we'll never really know how much of a fight Smoker put up. Neither do we know if Smoker is aware of DD's abilities and we've seen how you end up if you aren't with Sanji.

 

[TheHokage]

I think you mean stronger because he never fought people out of his league.

OT: Current Smoker is a 9, so he would at the very least lose high difficulty against Luffy(I think it would be extreme difficulty). Where you're currently at, they are both a 10 meaning they are more or less equally strong. However, because Luffy had no means of hitting the likes of Smoker at that point(like Zoro vs Enel), he would lose every single time. I do think Luffy improved at a slightly faster rate after the Enies Lobby arc and beyond.

For people up to date with the manga

Spoiler

Smoker vs Law: You could replace Smker with any of the M3 at the time Smoker fought Law and they would have put up a worse fight than Smoker because at that time their knowledge of Law's abilities were worse than Smoker's. Smoker was also a second away from defeating Law, but ultimately he lost because he didn't know enough about Law and his hax. Now that he actually fought him and knows what he can do, Smoker would obviously perform better than last time and probably be able to beat Law.

Smoker vs Vergo: From the panels we saw, Smoker was not touched by Vergo even once and got in 2(or maybe 3, I forgot) hits on Vergo. Smoker then went on to using a losing tacting because he was indebted to Law and promised to get his heart. Oda did not portray Smoker as weaker than Vergo but he left it ambigious, meaning fight could go either way between them.

Smoker vs Doflamingo: He did not have his jutte, which grealy helps against devil fruit users and the fight was off paneled so we'll never really know how much of a fight Smoker put up. Neither do we know if Smoker is aware of DD's abilities and we've seen how you end up if you aren't with Sanji.

For the first time I've finally found something we can agree on when it comes to One Piece.

Seriously what is up with the complete underestimation of Smoker put any of the monster trio against the opponents Smoker fought and they would most likely lose as well.

Current Luffy can easily beat current smoker. I'd say on a scale of 1 - 10 with 1 as lowest and 10 as the best. Smoker is below 5. I'm not underestimating Smoker but come on guys.... Smoker got beaten up by them (no name since Spoilers not allowed) so Luffy is too much for him.

I can't tell whether your actually being serious if you are then you are really bad at power scaling. Again the people Smoker lost to are way stronger than your making them out to be.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Except for Mr. Outside, is everybody here judging from 10 being the highest diff??

Yup! Smoker is being underrated by a lot of people because he's fought some incredibly strong characters, people fail to recognize this. Keep in mind that anything below a 7 is never going to be even close.

He's being underestimated based upon 3 fights. When one of his defeats is because he lacked knowledge, another where he didn't even intend to win and the third after severe injuries from the second (although his opponent would've won anyways but with much more difficulty if he faced a healthy Smoker)


Luffy beats Smoker
8.5/10 in difficulty
(possibly nearing the 9 mark)

 

[Anduril]

When one of his defeats is because he lacked knowledge

Half the time in OP you end up fighting people whose abilities you are unaware of. You have to improvise. As a marine vice-admiral he should be used to such situations.
Also when you consider law's fruit there is no inherent advantage when you are fighting against a smoke man. But law was able to keep up with smoker physically.

another where he didn't even intend to win

This one is laughable. He intended to win at first but then changed his approach after he understood vergo was way out of his league.

and the third after severe injuries from the second (although his opponent would've won anyways but with much more difficulty if he faced a healthy Smoker)

Spoiler

Come on dude, all doflamingo did against smoker was move his hand from up to down and smoker lay curled on the ground. Even Sanji was able to tank a stronger hit from Doflamingo. Being a named attack and all (the five colored lines or something).

 

[akimofnevis]

Luffy would take him with zero difficulty . Now that Luffy has haki smoker stands zero chances of winning 0

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Half the time in OP you end up fighting people whose abilities you are unaware of. You have to improvise. As a marine vice-admiral he should be used to such situations.
Also when you consider law's fruit there is no inherent advantage when you are fighting against a smoke man. But law was able to keep up with smoker physically.

Dude be subtle. You're spoiling it for TheCCV.
When fighting someone when everything comes as a surprise to you and you have no idea what to do, of course you're going to lose. ___ had knowledge of Smokers ability, Smoker only knew about what a Room is, due to the diversity of his powers, ___ had the upperhand and Smoker knew less about ___ than ___ knew about Smoker.

Most fights in One Piece between bigshots have all participants posessing plenty of information on their opponents.

Smoker was all over ___, ___ was simply lucky to get the better of Smoker for the first and only time during the fight before he _________

This one is laughable. He intended to win at first but then changed his approach after he understood vergo was way out of his league.

He was winning at first...

Come on dude, all doflamingo did against smoker was move his hand from up to down and smoker lay curled on the ground. Even Sanji was able to tank a stronger hit from Doflamingo. Being a named attack and all (the five colored lines or something).

Smoker was completely out of shape when fighting ____, the fight was off panel so we don't actually know how long the fight was. Nor how much of a fight Smoker put up against ____.