skywalker1723
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This thread revolves around the question in the title.
I am of the opinion that Orochimaru may have known more about the history of the Sage and Kaguya Ōtsutsuki than we may assume.
First I'd like to point out his goals.
Secondly, I will highlight some experiments and events which are directly linked to Hagoromo and Kaguya.
Conclusion
At this point I want to thank my friend Drifter2410 once again, because his thread gave me the impulse to think about this topic more intensively and he offeres his help immediately
I don't want to prove anything with this thread!
I just gathered some information to make you think about it and share your thoughts with me and the other members.
I am really interested in your opinion and look forward to having a profound discussion
Update 1
I am of the opinion that Orochimaru may have known more about the history of the Sage and Kaguya Ōtsutsuki than we may assume.
First I'd like to point out his goals.
We all know that Orochimaru wants to learn every single Jutsu in the Shinobi World.
To achieve this goal he needs the time of more than a single life.
That's why he has a second goal which could be even more important to him.
Immortality
Reaching both goals would make him an "ultimate being".
To accomplish both goals he has been doing a lot of research and experiments.
Some of them are directly linked to the Sage and Kaguya.
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To achieve this goal he needs the time of more than a single life.
That's why he has a second goal which could be even more important to him.
Immortality
Reaching both goals would make him an "ultimate being".
To accomplish both goals he has been doing a lot of research and experiments.
Some of them are directly linked to the Sage and Kaguya.
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Secondly, I will highlight some experiments and events which are directly linked to Hagoromo and Kaguya.
Experiments with the Senju-DNA and Yamato
Now I will head to Jūgo, Senjutsu-Chakra, Sage Mode and the Cursed Seal
In the next point I will refer to Drifter2410's thread, which nicely shows the similarities between Kaguya Ōtsutsuki and Kimimaro Kaguya.
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The next issue deals with Itachi, Sasuke and the Sharingan
The last argument of my thread, and probably too far-fetched, is that Orochimaru's Cursed Seal has slight similarities with Ninshū.
I know it may be far-fetched, but what if Orochimaru first host should be one of the 60 children he experimented with?
Sooner or later he needed a vessel who is strong enough to endure Orochimaru's power
And which body is one of the best qualified in the manga?
A body with the genes of the Shodai Hokage Hashirama Senju, who, as a descendant of Ashura, inherited a strong lifeforce
Unfortunatly, 59 of the 60 babies died and Orochimaru assumed that all of his experiments failed.
It could be, if Orochimaru had known about Yamato surviving his experiment, Yamato would have been Orochimaru's host which would him also grant the use of Mokuton.
Sooner or later he needed a vessel who is strong enough to endure Orochimaru's power
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A body with the genes of the Shodai Hokage Hashirama Senju, who, as a descendant of Ashura, inherited a strong lifeforce
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Now I will head to Jūgo, Senjutsu-Chakra, Sage Mode and the Cursed Seal
Since Orochimaru didn't have a proper body to fully master the Sage Mode, he had to find another way to use Jūgo's special ability.
This is Orochimaru's Cursed Seal, in which he "injects" his Senjutsu-Chakra and parts of his consciousness.
With this method he solves in fact 3 problems at once:
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With this method he solves in fact 3 problems at once:
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He separates the wheat from the chaff, because only 10% of the marked persons survived
So only the really strong bodies, for which Orochimaru is searching for, remain.
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He created another effective way to prevent death, since he can be revived with the help of the Cursed Seal
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He found a way to use his gained abilities with the Senjutsu-Chakra and made his "infected" subjects, who survived this procedure, even stronger and suitable for him as a host
In the next point I will refer to Drifter2410's thread, which nicely shows the similarities between Kaguya Ōtsutsuki and Kimimaro Kaguya.
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I'm assuming that, because of the many similarities, Kimimaro and Kaguya are somehow/or directly related.
I just want to give you two other scans that could prove also be prove for this assumption:
Here Kabuto's statement caught my attention. Of course he may not have had the knowledge about the Senju Clan, but what if Orochimaru's test with Kimimaro showed that Kabuto said the truth?
Then Orochimaru maybe tripped randomly over a descendent of the most powerful being in the history...
Now look at Indras eyes which have the same markings as Kimimaro's:
Not only that also the markings above their eyes look somewhat similar.
Of course it could be randomly but I just want to make you think about it.
I just want to give you two other scans that could prove also be prove for this assumption:
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Here Kabuto's statement caught my attention. Of course he may not have had the knowledge about the Senju Clan, but what if Orochimaru's test with Kimimaro showed that Kabuto said the truth?
Then Orochimaru maybe tripped randomly over a descendent of the most powerful being in the history...
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Of course it could be randomly but I just want to make you think about it.
The next issue deals with Itachi, Sasuke and the Sharingan
After loosing Kimimaro as next host Orochimaru wants Sasuke.
This is because of 3 reasons:
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Orochimaru assumed that the Sharingan would somehow evolve into the Rinnegan
This is because of 3 reasons:
1.
He wasn't able to take over Itachi
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He still had his goal to learn all jutsus and the Sharingan woukd grant him this ability
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Orochimaru assumed that the Sharingan would somehow evolve into the Rinnegan
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The last argument of my thread, and probably too far-fetched, is that Orochimaru's Cursed Seal has slight similarities with Ninshū.
The way Ninshū works
Ninshū connects people among each other, while the Cursed Seal connects Orochimaru with the wearers, but also through Chakra.
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Ninshū connects people among each other, while the Cursed Seal connects Orochimaru with the wearers, but also through Chakra.
Conclusion
In my opinion the given evidence shows that Orochimaru may know more than we assume he does.
Also his assumptions lead all in the same direction.
I don't think it is just a coincidence that all his "important" experiments revolve around the descendants of the Sage, Hagoromo or Kaguya.
They perfectly fit to his goals he wanted and probably still want to achieve.
He often just wasn't able to fulfil his plans and had to find another solution to reach his aim.
Also I wouldn't be surprised, if Orochimaru played a central role in the upcoming plot.
Also his assumptions lead all in the same direction.
I don't think it is just a coincidence that all his "important" experiments revolve around the descendants of the Sage, Hagoromo or Kaguya.
They perfectly fit to his goals he wanted and probably still want to achieve.
He often just wasn't able to fulfil his plans and had to find another solution to reach his aim.
Also I wouldn't be surprised, if Orochimaru played a central role in the upcoming plot.
At this point I want to thank my friend Drifter2410 once again, because his thread gave me the impulse to think about this topic more intensively and he offeres his help immediately
I don't want to prove anything with this thread!
I just gathered some information to make you think about it and share your thoughts with me and the other members.
I am really interested in your opinion and look forward to having a profound discussion
Update 1
LaFlameXX has a similar theory and has also some other interesting points which are worth thinking about!
Here the link to his thread:
Here the link to his thread:
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