[Question] how many years did luffy lose

[Love Cook]

He was shown in the manga using it on his arm only. Luffy's control has allowed him to isolate it to body parts rather than his entire body. The animators decided to lame it down a bit.

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Not true,

Gear 2 is his heart in overdrive pumping his blood through his body. So there is no such thing as gear 2 on a arm only.

You can't see that at all on that panel you posted, it looks more like he activated gear 2 with that arm only. You can't expect Oda to draw smoke on his entire body because he would look more like Smoker than Luffy in a small panel from the side.

Animaters gave the pink color in the first place and Oda implemented it later in his manga on colour spreads. So how can there be a partial gear second when the pinkish coulor is the only thing that gives it away where it is activated. It's not something added by Oda, so how can he be the one to remove it?

 

[Bogard]

Gear second was risky pretimeskip because his stamina couldn't keep up [

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[Punk Hazard]

Not true,

Gear 2 is his heart in overdrive pumping his blood through his body. So there is no such thing as gear 2 on a arm only.

You can't see that at all on that panel you posted, it looks more like he activated gear 2 with that arm only. You can't expect Oda to draw smoke on his entire body because he would look more like Smoker than Luffy in a small panel from the side.

Animaters gave the pink color in the first place and Oda implemented it later in his manga on colour spreads. So how can there be a partial gear second when the pinkish coulor is the only thing that gives it away where it is activated. It's not something added by Oda, so how can he be the one to remove it?

You can clearly see in the panel where he says "Gomu Gomu no" that the smoke is coming from his arm only. Why would Oda have no problem with having the smoke surrounding his entire body before in the manga[

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Even here when performing a Jet Pistol, the smoke is still all around him.[

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Then you have panels like this[

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] that show when Luffy moves, the smoke still surrounds him, so it's not like when he moved against the Pacifista, he blew away the smoke or whatever. You can see that the smoke, in the first manga panel that I provided, is only around his arm, there's none around his head, or chest, or on the other side of his body. If the smoke is coming from his arm only, what does that tell you?

It's clear that Luffy is capable of isolating Gear 2 to singular body parts, whether or not you accept that truth is up to you. It looking like Smoker is a bullshit excuse because who else but Luffy and Oars Jr. with Luffy's shadow has said "Gomu Gomu no" before the attack? Smoker isn't even in this chapter or that location, so you'd have to be pretty stupid to mistake that for Smoker. You can hardly tell it's Luffy anyway, so it makes no sense for Oda to isolate the smoke just so we don't confuse it as someone other than Luffy.

Can you post these color spreads that depict Luffy with pink skin?

 

[Love Cook]

You can clearly see in the panel where he says "Gomu Gomu no" that the smoke is coming from his arm only. Why would Oda have no problem with having the smoke surrounding his entire body before in the manga[

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Even here when performing a Jet Pistol, the smoke is still all around him.[

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Then you have panels like this[

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] that show when Luffy moves, the smoke still surrounds him, so it's not like when he moved against the Pacifista, he blew away the smoke or whatever. You can see that the smoke, in the first manga panel that I provided, is only around his arm, there's none around his head, or chest, or on the other side of his body. If the smoke is coming from his arm only, what does that tell you?

It's clear that Luffy is capable of isolating Gear 2 to singular body parts, whether or not you accept that truth is up to you. It looking like Smoker is a bullshit excuse because who else but Luffy and Oars Jr. with Luffy's shadow has said "Gomu Gomu no" before the attack? Smoker isn't even in this chapter or that location, so you'd have to be pretty stupid to mistake that for Smoker. You can hardly tell it's Luffy anyway, so it makes no sense for Oda to isolate the smoke just so we don't confuse it as someone other than Luffy.

Can you post these color spreads that depict Luffy with pink skin?

Of course you only use pictures from the very first time that Luffy used Gear second, where Oda emphasized on the ability. Also if you read closely what I said, I was talking about the small panel side shot, not half a page frontal shot.

The only thing that is clear is that there is no such thing as partial gear second, besides that one little panel of yours where it's not visable at all there is no proof for it. Where or not you accept facts is up to you, but you like to come up with fanfiction like this.

Also sarcasm might be too much for you if you didn't get the Smoker reference, of course we all know it isn't smoker in that panel you genius, but if Oda were to draw smoke on his entire body from the side, the panel would be filled.

Why do I need to search pictures of Luffy for you, Is google broken ? Besides why is that even relevant.

The only reason why I was addressing those was that Oda never added the pink skin, so how can he remove an element that he never added. It's Toei who made the skin pink and Oda who used it later. So why do I need to show you those, they prove nothing.

Read more carefully next time, not going to explain it a third time.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Of course you only use pictures from the very first time that Luffy used Gear second, where Oda emphasized on the ability. Also if you read closely what I said, I was talking about the small panel side shot, not half a page frontal shot.

The only thing that is clear is that there is no such thing as partial gear second, besides that one little panel of yours where it's not visable at all there is no proof for it. Where or not you accept facts is up to you, but you like to come up with fanfiction like this.

Also sarcasm might be too much for you if you didn't get the Smoker reference, of course we all know it isn't smoker in that panel you genius, but if Oda were to draw smoke on his entire body from the side, the panel would be filled.

Why do I need to search pictures of Luffy for you, Is google broken ? Besides why is that even relevant.

The only reason why I was addressing those was that Oda never added the pink skin, so how can he remove an element that he never added. It's Toei who made the skin pink and Oda who used it later. So why do I need to show you those, they prove nothing.

Read more carefully next time, not going to explain it a third time.

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] Here you go. Five different instances, 3 different arcs, none of which are his first uses. Same amount of smoke, completely surrounding his body.

2. There's no fanfiction here. Those panels clearly show Luffy isolating Gear 2 to his arm. There's no smoke anywhere else on his body.

3. You are claiming there are color spreads of Luffy in Gear 2 with pink pigmentation. Since you claim they exist, why don't you post them for the sake of this debate? You saying "Oh go find them yourself" makes you full of shit. There is no instance in the manga of Luffy having pink pigmentation, all color depictions of Gear 2 are void of it, so Toei adding it in the anime is non-canon.

 

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] Here you go. Five different instances, 3 different arcs, none of which are his first uses. Same amount of smoke, completely surrounding his body.

2. There's no fanfiction here. Those panels clearly show Luffy isolating Gear 2 to his arm. There's no smoke anywhere else on his body.

3. You are claiming there are color spreads of Luffy in Gear 2 with pink pigmentation. Since you claim they exist, why don't you post them for the sake of this debate? You saying "Oh go find them yourself" makes you full of shit. There is no instance in the manga of Luffy having pink pigmentation, all color depictions of Gear 2 are void of it, so Toei adding it in the anime is non-canon.

it's not possible to use gear 2 in one body part because gear 2 is just Luffy pumping blood in his legs/arms to speed up his blood flow. blood circulates around your whole body its not possible to have one body part that has blood running faster than the rest.

i think his arm is only smoking there because he pumped blood with his arm and it started smoking first.

 

[Love Cook]

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] Here you go. Five different instances, 3 different arcs, none of which are his first uses. Same amount of smoke, completely surrounding his body.

2. There's no fanfiction here. Those panels clearly show Luffy isolating Gear 2 to his arm. There's no smoke anywhere else on his body.

3. You are claiming there are color spreads of Luffy in Gear 2 with pink pigmentation. Since you claim they exist, why don't you post them for the sake of this debate? You saying "Oh go find them yourself" makes you full of shit. There is no instance in the manga of Luffy having pink pigmentation, all color depictions of Gear 2 are void of it, so Toei adding it in the anime is non-canon.

1) Yea, l0l those pictures only further prove my point.

2) There is no prove for partial gear 2 except for your speculation and one vague panel.

3) You must be slow in the head. This will be the third time I'm about to explain it. Those spreads made by Oda were only coloured pink because it was an easier way to depict Gear 2 in anime, instead of just smoke. So there is no point in showing those pictures. If you still want them go find them. Also Toei did that with the approval of Oda, and Oda adapting it making it canon as it can be.

The only thing non-canon here is your fantasy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

it's not possible to use gear 2 in one body part because gear 2 is just Luffy pumping blood in his legs/arms to speed up his blood flow. blood circulates around your whole body its not possible to have one body part that has blood running faster than the rest.

i think his arm is only smoking there because he pumped blood with his arm and it started smoking first.

There has never been an instance where the smoke rose out from Luffy one body part after another. Once the smoke starts rising, it rises everywhere at once, there is no "starting at the arm." Plus, Luffy started the Gear 2, before the Pacifista fired the laser, and after the laser was fired, he moved over to above his head, and slammed him with a Jet Pistol. Why is it that after all that, the smoke is STILL only at his arm? By that time, all the smoke should have formed, but it didn't, it stayed isolated at his arm. What does that tell you?

Listen, you can list all the reasons why it shouldn't happen, but it's not impossible, because Oda has shown it. Oda put it in the manga. You can argue allll day long about why it shouldn't be there, but it's there, whether or not you like it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

1) Yea, l0l those pictures only further prove my point.

2) There is no prove for partial gear 2 except for your speculation and one vague panel.

3) You must be slow in the head. This will be the third time I'm about to explain it. Those spreads made by Oda were only coloured pink because it was an easier way to depict Gear 2 in anime, instead of just smoke. So there is no point in showing those pictures. If you still want them go find them. Also Toei did that with the approval of Oda, and Oda adapting it making it canon as it can be.

The only thing non-canon here is your fantasy.

1. No they don't, they prove my point that Oda didn't have a problem with the smoke completely surrounding Luffy before, so why would he have a problem with it now?

2. And like I said, non of the colored spreads that depict Gear 2 have pink skin in them. Yes, the anime depicts Gear 2 with pink skin, and Oda approved it. You know what else is done by the anime that Oda gives approval for? Filler. They also run filler by Oda and he gives them the go-ahead, yet filler isn't canon. If approval from Oda isn't enough to make filler canon, then it's not enough to make the pink skin canon. Since you claim that there are spreads depicting pink skin, why can't you prove it by showing such scans?

In fact, I'll play your game for you.
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Here you have two colored scans depicting Luffy using Gear 2. In the first scan, you can see that Luffy, while in Gear 2, has skin matching to Robin's. No special pigmentation, the closest thing there that can be an allusion to pink skin is shading differences that depict some parts of Luffy's skin as lighter than the others, but this is the result of the coloring style Oda did and Robin and Lucci have identical shading. Are they in Gear 2 as well?

Now, you can say that Oda put in the pink skin after that. Wrong. That's why I included the second color page. There, Luffy is using Gear 2 which means that he is in Gear 2. His skin there has no special pigmentation. He is definitely in Gear 2, since that's a requirement for Red Hawk, but since there's no special or pink pigmentation across his body, it means he either isolated Gear 2 to the arm he's using for Red Hawk, or there is no special pigmentation. Either way, you're wrong.

 

[Love Cook]

1. No they don't, they prove my point that Oda didn't have a problem with the smoke completely surrounding Luffy before, so why would he have a problem with it now?

2. And like I said, non of the colored spreads that depict Gear 2 have pink skin in them. Yes, the anime depicts Gear 2 with pink skin, and Oda approved it. You know what else is done by the anime that Oda gives approval for? Filler. They also run filler by Oda and he gives them the go-ahead, yet filler isn't canon. If approval from Oda isn't enough to make filler canon, then it's not enough to make the pink skin canon. Since you claim that there are spreads depicting pink skin, why can't you prove it by showing such scans?

In fact, I'll play your game for you.
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Here you have two colored scans depicting Luffy using Gear 2. In the first scan, you can see that Luffy, while in Gear 2, has skin matching to Robin's. No special pigmentation, the closest thing there that can be an allusion to pink skin is shading differences that depict some parts of Luffy's skin as lighter than the others, but this is the result of the coloring style Oda did and Robin and Lucci have identical shading. Are they in Gear 2 as well?

Now, you can say that Oda put in the pink skin after that. Wrong. That's why I included the second color page. There, Luffy is using Gear 2 which means that he is in Gear 2. His skin there has no special pigmentation. He is definitely in Gear 2, since that's a requirement for Red Hawk, but since there's no special or pink pigmentation across his body, it means he either isolated Gear 2 to the arm he's using for Red Hawk, or there is no special pigmentation. Either way, you're wrong.

Goddamn you moron, three times wasn't enough apparently. It never was about the manga as I stated that Toei implemented the colour.

Now what ? what does this prove ? Nothing.

Go find me a pic that clearly shows partial gear second instead of this bullshit. If you can manage that I will accept your theory. If you don't just go away.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Goddamn you moron, three times wasn't enough apparently. It never was about the manga as I stated that Toei implemented the colour.

Now what ? what does this prove ? Nothing.

Go find me a pic that clearly shows partial gear second instead of this bullshit. If you can manage that I will accept your theory. If you don't just go away.

If it's not from Oda, it's filler. Toei adding the pink pigmentation ia filler, it does not actually exist.

I showed you two separate pages and color page depicting the Gear 2 smoke, and therefore the Gear 2, isolated to his arm. There is no theory, there is no fan fiction, it's there, from Oda, by Oda.

 

[Love Cook]

If it's not from Oda, it's filler. Toei adding the pink pigmentation ia filler, it does not actually exist.

I showed you two separate pages and color page depicting the Gear 2 smoke, and therefore the Gear 2, isolated to his arm. There is no theory, there is no fan fiction, it's there, from Oda, by Oda.

Lol you're hopeless.

Even if it IS true, what would be the point of partial gear second ?

His current and future enemies will always push him to his limit of that arc. Why would it be convenient to have one arm in super mode and the rest normal ? That's like going Super Saiyan with one leg.

Besides that, it's technically not possible to only pump blood to one limb just because you want to. Otherwise I would give you the advice to pump some more to your brain.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol you're hopeless.

Even if it IS true, what would be the point of partial gear second ?

His current and future enemies will always push him to his limit of that arc. Why would it be convenient to have one arm in super mode and the rest normal ? That's like going Super Saiyan with one leg.

Besides that, it's technically not possible to only pump blood to one limb just because you want to. Otherwise I would give you the advice to pump some more to your brain.

"You're hopeless" says the guy ignoring two manga portrayals of partial Gear 2 and no pink skin to convenience his inability to admit wrong.

It has the same point as not shrinking after Gear 3. It shows that Luffy has refined his control over Gear 2. Notice that it was shown during the scene to illustrate the Monster Trio's growth, it was to illustrate that Luffy's training has resulted in even greater control over his fruit. Also, using Gear 2 throughout his entire body can be disadvantageous sometimes. It could be saved for a Lucci moment, when using Gear 2 across his body would render him unable to move in a dangerous situation. Instead of shutting down his body, he could isolate to his arms, deal a final blow, and have just his arms take some brunt, saving the rest of his body. It could also reduce the overall strain it puts on his life force.

Not possible? Oh, you mean like how turning into light/fire/ice/magma/mud is not possible? Or how a human being slicing air hard enough to propel it is not possible? Or how igniting your leg by spinning really fast isn't possible? Let's look at how Sanji doesn't need to spin to ignite his legs, they just do, isn't that "not possible?" Or how about Sanji just igniting his entire body with Hell Memories by just remembering the island he was on, isn't that technically not possible? It's the same kind of situation, yet, I bet you won't try to say Sanji doesn't need to spin anymore, or that Hell Memories isn't real.

 

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No....no. The tension hormones aren't what took ten years of his life, it was Iva's treatment for Magellan's poison. The energy shots don't do anything but cause a boost in fatigue once they wear off because you were exerting yourself. The treatment that takes ten years of his life was applied once.



He was shown in the manga using it on his arm only. Luffy's control has allowed him to isolate it to body parts rather than his entire body. The animators decided to lame it down a bit.

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I made a thread that kind of dealt with this issue awhile back

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People seem kind of split on the idea.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I made a thread that kind of dealt with this issue awhile back

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People seem kind of split on the idea.

Eh at this point in time, you have people who believe that Gear 2 can be partially made, and people who are wrong.

 

[Love Cook]

"You're hopeless" says the guy ignoring two manga portrayals of partial Gear 2 and no pink skin to convenience his inability to admit wrong.

It has the same point as not shrinking after Gear 3. It shows that Luffy has refined his control over Gear 2. Notice that it was shown during the scene to illustrate the Monster Trio's growth, it was to illustrate that Luffy's training has resulted in even greater control over his fruit. Also, using Gear 2 throughout his entire body can be disadvantageous sometimes. It could be saved for a Lucci moment, when using Gear 2 across his body would render him unable to move in a dangerous situation. Instead of shutting down his body, he could isolate to his arms, deal a final blow, and have just his arms take some brunt, saving the rest of his body. It could also reduce the overall strain it puts on his life force.

Not possible? Oh, you mean like how turning into light/fire/ice/magma/mud is not possible? Or how a human being slicing air hard enough to propel it is not possible? Or how igniting your leg by spinning really fast isn't possible? Let's look at how Sanji doesn't need to spin to ignite his legs, they just do, isn't that "not possible?" Or how about Sanji just igniting his entire body with Hell Memories by just remembering the island he was on, isn't that technically not possible? It's the same kind of situation, yet, I bet you won't try to say Sanji doesn't need to spin anymore, or that Hell Memories isn't real.

It's funny to see how you bend yourself in all sorts of corners and make up arguments so that your story checks out with your single side shot panel.

But a fanboy sees what fanboy wants to see.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's funny to see how you bend yourself in all sorts of corners and make up arguments so that your story checks out with your single side shot panel.

But a fanboy sees what fanboy wants to see.

I could say the same to you, and isn't that what debating and arguing is? Saying things and presenting information and turning what the other guy says against them? I'm a bad debater for...debating? Okay.

Still waiting for you to explain how it's sooo impossible for Luffy to circulate his blood in his arm faster but not the rest of his body, but Sanji can set his foot and body on fire just because and because he's angry. Go ahead.
Try out the Naruto Discussion Section. You'd fit right in.

 

[Love Cook]

I could say the same to you, and isn't that what debating and arguing is? Saying things and presenting information and turning what the other guy says against them? I'm a bad debater for...debating? Okay.

Still waiting for you to explain how it's sooo impossible for Luffy to circulate his blood in his arm faster but not the rest of his body, but Sanji can set his foot and body on fire just because and because he's angry. Go ahead.
Try out the Naruto Discussion Section. You'd fit right in.

I'm not going to do that.

You are a bad debater because you don't stick to the facts. I don't have to explain nothing.

There is nothing that indicates partial gear 2. So end of story.