How many times did Hashirama beat Madara?

[mimihigurashi]

Still desperate I see, trying to make new excuses and deviate from the raw power point with the dream bs and what not. In the end Madara became far superior to Hashirama and had to be "defeated" (removed from the manga via betrayal plot) due to Holy-shit-this-guy's-way-too-powerful-for-the-protagonists-to-defeat-Syndrome.
To make it even more obvious, Hashirama himself admitted that Juubi Jinchuuriki Obito was stronger than him. JJ Madara is superior to JJ Obito so logically JJ Madara is far superior to any version of Hashirama. Truth hurts, deal with it.

Edit: Wait a second now. Rejecting the obvious and even saying absurdities like "still on top neg diff"? Oh, I see now. Dealing with a fanboy. No amount of logic will get through to a fanboy, I shouldn't have bothered with the explanation.

 

[Demonic.]

Still desperate I see, trying to make new excuses and deviate from the raw power point with the dream bs and what not. In the end Madara became far superior to Hashirama and had to be "defeated" (removed from the manga via betrayal plot) due to Holy-shit-this-guy's-way-too-powerful-for-the-protagonists-to-defeat-Syndrome.
To make it even more obvious, Hashirama himself admitted that Juubi Jinchuuriki Obito was stronger than him. JJ Madara is superior to JJ Obito so logically JJ Madara is far superior to any version of Hashirama. Truth hurts, deal with it.

Edit: Wait a second now. Rejecting the obvious and even saying absurdities like "still on top neg diff"? Oh, I see now. Dealing with a fanboy. No amount of logic will get through to a fanboy, I shouldn't have bothered with the explanation.

You're the one being a fan boy XD "Madara became far superior in the end"

Lol, what did that get him? He got owned by black Zetsu, turned into a woman, and in the end admitted his dream was dead, while Hashirama's wasn't. So I fail to see your point.

 

[mimihigurashi]

You're the one being a fan boy XD "Madara became far superior in the end"

Lol, what did that get him? He got owned by black Zetsu, turned into a woman, and in the end admitted his dream was dead, while Hashirama's wasn't. So I fail to see your point.

Which part of "Hashirama said JJ Obito is stronger than him, meaning JJ Madara is far stronger than Hashirama" did you not understand? You understood everything perfectly, I'm sure, you're just being an immature fanboy in denial because you don't like the fact that Madara became stronger than Hashirama.
That's fine, you can keep denying it and live in your fantasy world where Hashirama is still stronger, but it won't change the fact that Madara became far more powerful.
And of course, the black zetsu bs, I already explained it, but go ahead and keep putting your hands over your ears and going "lalala", that will protect your precious fantasy of Hashirama being stronger. I understand that truth hurts so I do believe you'll choose to continue living in your fantasy world.

 

[Demonic.]

Which part of "Hashirama said JJ Obito is stronger than him, meaning JJ Madara is far stronger than Hashirama" did you not understand? You understood everything perfectly, I'm sure, you're just being an immature fanboy in denial because you don't like the fact that Madara became stronger than Hashirama.
That's fine, you can keep denying it and live in your fantasy world where Hashirama is still stronger, but it won't change the fact that Madara became far more powerful.
And of course, the black zetsu bs, I already explained it, but go ahead and keep putting your hands over your ears and going "lalala", that will protect your precious fantasy of Hashirama being stronger. I understand that truth hurts so I do believe you'll choose to continue living in your fantasy world.

Lol,

-When did I deny JJ Madara was stronger than Hashirama?
-Who was the obsessed moron that bit his rival in order to get his power?
-And what did becoming Juubi Jin get Madara in the end?

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[mimihigurashi]

Lol,

-When did I deny JJ Madara was stronger than Hashirama?
-Who was the obsessed moron that bit his rival in order to get his power?
-And what did becoming Juubi Jin get Madara in the end?

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Oh, okay, then we came to the agreement that Madara indeed became stronger than Hashirama. I'm glad you can finally deal with this fact.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

As many times as they fought, madara was always fighting to kill whereas hashirama fighting just barely to stop that

 

[Demonic.]

As many times as they fought, madara was always fighting to kill whereas hashirama fighting just barely to stop that

Very true!

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Madara could have used Outer patch on hashrama anytime which he implanted earlier in the fight to stop hashrama movements but he did not do it

This answer remain a mystery for madara fans:

Why madara did not use Outer patch on him
How edo madara can lose when he has hashirama powers with his powers combined + a new Power
Why did alive madara use Outer Patch later when is got revied

This alll we will know in the comming episodes
On the the next episode 379, 380 madara fans will know how strong edo madara really is

 

[Demonic.]

Madara could have used Outer patch on hashrama anytime which he implanted earlier in the fight to stop hashrama movements but he did not do it

This answer remain a mystery for madara fans:

Why madara did not use Outer patch on him
How edo madara can lose when he has hashirama powers with his powers combined + a new Power
Why did alive madara use Outer Patch later when is got revied

This alll we will know in the comming episodes
On the the next episode 379, 380 madara fans will know how strong edo madara really is

No room for "could've" when it comes to facts Lol. The fact is he didn't.

 

[KingHashirama]

Correction: Hashirama never lost to Madara.


The one that you and others consider to be a loss, was never even a fight.....

Its like going to a sleeping person , and killing them, and saying "yay i won against him. "


For those saying a "spar doesn't count"...... Sparring is a form of combat... just like a death match is a form of combat.

2-1

The family thing wasnt a fight and and in your Round 1, Madara threw a rock at Hashi and knocked him on his ass right after so draw.

first man to hit the floor = loser. rofl.




Even if the opponent goes unconcious, after you hit the floor first.. your opponent still is the winner.

Madara could have used Outer patch on hashrama anytime which he implanted earlier in the fight to stop hashrama movements but he did not do it

This answer remain a mystery for madara fans:

Why madara did not use Outer patch on him
How edo madara can lose when he has hashirama powers with his powers combined + a new Power
Why did alive madara use Outer Patch later when is got revied

This alll we will know in the comming episodes
On the the next episode 379, 380 madara fans will know how strong edo madara really is

Maybe, because its pointless against Hashirama? loll...

 

[AlphaScythian]

I didn't know Taijutsu rounds didn't count because a user hadn't awakened their Sharingan yet. Might Gai beat Obito at the Chunin exams fair and square
Bias. He said Hashirama was stronger and if they fought they'd lose so they retreated.
Bias. Proof that he fought the whole clan? Could the other Senju have done anything against PS?
Bias. Coulda shoulda woulda.
Bias. Madara was seconds away from being sealed until he was revived.
Not even close

But madara had sharingan, he almost spilled it out. He couldnt use it as it would reveal his clan, still soloed hashirama with rock lmao.

And like how the hell madara knew hashirama was stronger? He didnt even use sharingan for him nor fought himiously and always was threatening him around lol

Im not saying whole clan but tobirama and a few were there. Its a fact that he was outnumbered.

Well, it sure was stupid of him not to use izanagi right away, especially seeing how hashi collapsed next min

Seconds away from sealed? But not by hashirama. Funny that you separate one fight after before and after madara got advantage.

Its 1:1 bro

 

[KingHashirama]

But madara had sharingan, he almost spilled it out. He couldnt use it as it would reveal his clan, still soloed hashirama with rock lmao.

And like how the hell madara knew hashirama was stronger? He didnt even use sharingan for him nor fought himiously and always was threatening him around lol

Im not saying whole clan but tobirama and a few were there. Its a fact that he was outnumbered.

Well, it sure was stupid of him not to use izanagi right away, especially seeing how hashi collapsed next min

Seconds away from sealed? But not by hashirama. Funny that you separate one fight after before and after madara got advantage.

Its 1:1 bro

oooooo i wanna counter your post so bad.

1. Madara did have the sharingan, he even had the ems later on and was only able to "stalemate" with Hashirama. And as kids, they were sparring. Seeing both of them didn't use chakra at all, simply taijutsu skills. So don't go and think Madara didn't use the sharingan = he held back. No it was simply a taijutsu spar.

2. It doesn't take me to fight Muhammad ali, to know hes stronger than me. Its not gonna take a race against Usain Bolt to know hes faster than me. Its not gonna take a race against Phelps to know hes the faster swimmer..

3. See here is the thing, you are using a biased view. You perfectly know the anime shows more than just madara. But you wanna deny the anime, so you can stick to your biased view and say Madara was alone and make him out to be something he is not. And before you bring up the "non-cannon" excuse, let me just say it was cannon. Manga simply didn't show it from that camera point of view.

4. Its funny that you consider a non-fight to be a fight. So i'm standing , and you come knock me out without us even starting the fight = you the winner of the fight that never started? While you perfectly know you would've been knocked out if we did start the fight. I mean what did it take for Madara to conquer Hashirama......

5. He didn't need to seal Madara, rofl. He was last man moving around. He



its actually (alot of Hashirama wins if counting off-screen) : 0 madara wins.

 

[Demonic.]

But madara had sharingan, he almost spilled it out. He couldnt use it as it would reveal his clan, still soloed hashirama with rock lmao.

And like how the hell madara knew hashirama was stronger? He didnt even use sharingan for him nor fought himiously and always was threatening him around lol

Im not saying whole clan but tobirama and a few were there. Its a fact that he was outnumbered.

Well, it sure was stupid of him not to use izanagi right away, especially seeing how hashi collapsed next min

Seconds away from sealed? But not by hashirama. Funny that you separate one fight after before and after madara got advantage.

Its 1:1 bro

1. Madara didn't have the Sharingan then, he awakened it later:

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2. What KingHashirama said. Through all their scuffles Madara deduced Hashirama was stronger, you're trying to contradict manga facts Lol

3. Still no proof they intervened, that's your assumption and it makes no sense. Hashirama wouldn't have wanted the Senju to get killed in the crossfire, and they wouldn't have touched PS. They would have just got in the way.

4. Madara didn't use it, and that's that. I don't buy the "could've" crap besides he needed the hand signs, which he didn't have the strenght to do.

5. Doesn't matter, Hashirama had still defeated him. I seperated the fight because Edo Hashirama beat Edo Madara, then Rinne Tensei was used and Alive Madara beat a weakened Hashirama - it wasn't a battle of edos anymore

 

[AlphaScythian]

1. Madara didn't have the Sharingan then, he awakened it later:

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2. What KingHashirama said. Through all their scuffles Madara deduced Hashirama was stronger, you're trying to contradict manga facts Lol

3. Still no proof they intervened, that's your assumption and it makes no sense. Hashirama wouldn't have wanted the Senju to get killed in the crossfire, and they wouldn't have touched PS. They would have just got in the way.

4. Madara didn't use it, and that's that. I don't buy the "could've" crap besides he needed the hand signs, which he didn't have the strenght to do.

5. Doesn't matter, Hashirama had still defeated him. I seperated the fight because Edo Hashirama beat Edo Madara, then Rinne Tensei was used and Alive Madara beat a weakened Hashirama - it wasn't a battle of edos anymore

1. No madara already had sharingan. He said 'i have shari...' when he challanged hashiram to better vision contest, Fact.

2. King Hashirama is hashi fan, im less biased here. Madara never fought shirama full power. There is simply no way of knowing, he lied to avoid bloodshed.

3. Of course they intervened. They were at war with uchiha and tobirama sure isnt the one to listen to hashis BS. The fact that some fodders survived can be credited to hashi protecting them and taking most of madara's attention.

4. Lol fail. Uchiha dont need signs for izanagi.

5. Nope. I dont see where hashirama defeated madara, he couldnt seal him, wood dragon is no match for even v3 susanoo nor are those gates. Madara had to focus on Obito or others but him would get revived.

1:1. Peace

 

[Demonic.]

1. No madara already had sharingan. He said 'i have shari...' when he challanged hashiram to better vision contest, Fact.

If you read the scan you'd see that his own brother and father are surprised as they realize Madara awakened the Sharingan. Madara could have been implying he's due for a Sharingan like Obito used to brag to Kakashi. Either way, Manga made it pretty clear Madara awoke the Sharingan right there and then.

2. King Hashirama is hashi fan, im less biased here. Madara never fought shirama full power. There is simply no way of knowing, he lied to avoid bloodshed.

Except that there's no way of knowing "he lied to avoid bloodshed" that's your bias opinion/interpretation. The fact is Madara said Hashirama was stronger, and retreated.

3. Of course they intervened. They were at war with uchiha and tobirama sure isnt the one to listen to hashis BS. The fact that some fodders survived can be credited to hashi protecting them and taking most of madara's attention.

There are several things wrong with this line.

-You don't know if they intervened or not, no one knows for sure
-They were at war but Hashirama wanted a cease fire agreement
-Tobirama is not one to listen to Hashirama's BS yet he listened when he told him not to kill Madara and when Hashirama told him to calm down at the shrine

4. Lol fail. Uchiha dont need signs for izanagi.

Ok. But you still need chakra, and they were both drained.

5. Nope. I dont see where hashirama defeated madara, he couldnt seal him, wood dragon is no match for even v3 susanoo nor are those gates. Madara had to focus on Obito or others but him would get revived.

Your statement here is contradicting Lol

Restrained/Immobilized means defeated, yet you claim otherwise because Hashirama didn't seal Madara

-Madara also didn't "seal" Hashirama Lol, all he did was restrain him with rods as well, as soon as the rods disappeared Hashirama was 100% again. So based on your logic, Madara shouldn't get a win either Lol, I think you are a little biased here. I should deduct a point for both then

1:1. Peace

Hell no dude XD

 

[AlphaScythian]

If you read the scan you'd see that his own brother and father are surprised as they realize Madara awakened the Sharingan. Madara could have been implying he's due for a Sharingan like Obito used to brag to Kakashi. Either way, Manga made it pretty clear Madara awoke the Sharingan right there and then.

Except that there's no way of knowing "he lied to avoid bloodshed" that's your bias opinion/interpretation. The fact is Madara said Hashirama was stronger, and retreated.

There are several things wrong with this line.
-You don't know if they intervened or not, no one knows for sure
-They were at war but Hashirama wanted a cease fire agreement
-Tobirama is not one to listen to Hashirama's BS yet he listened when he told him not to kill Madara and when Hashirama told him to calm down at the shrine

Ok. But you still need chakra, and they were both drained.

Your statement here is contradicting Lol
Restrained/Immobilized means defeated, yet you claim otherwise because Hashirama didn't seal Madara
-Madara also didn't "seal" Hashirama Lol, all he did was restrain him with rods as well, as soon as the rods disappeared Hashirama was 100% again. So based on your logic, Madara shouldn't get a win either Lol, I think you are a little biased here. I should deduct a point for both then

Hell no dude XD

Nope. I dont recall Obito bragging to have sharingan. Madara sure would make fool of himself if he didnt have sharingan yet called for a contest. Fukagu also didnt know that Itachi had MS you act like kid izuna is narrator of the manga, im sure madara knows better when he got sharingan.

Madara wanted to save Izuna at cost, he also cared for hashirama and sure wasnt all turned up fighting him after he just warned him about the trap, small lie is fitting here, claiming that hashi is stronger w/o a proper fight isnt. Needless to say that over the years hashi failed killing madara which just desproves the statement.

Senju and tobirama have clear battle worn signs.
All the proof needed.

Delayed izanagi takes chakra as well, madara just picked bad time

No contradiction here.
Madara could easily brake that restrain with susanoo had he not been busy taking a train to the living world. Hashi couldnt do anything with rods and madz could rip his soul off or release from tensei by controling him, hashi just had no way of ending madara.

1:1 you'll warm up to it :leaf:

 

[Raijingan]

39 times to be precise

 

[Demonic.]

Nope. I dont recall Obito bragging to have sharingan. Madara sure would make fool of himself if he didnt have sharingan yet called for a contest. Fukagu also didnt know that Itachi had MS you act like kid izuna is narrator of the manga, im sure madara knows better when he got sharingan.

Your point just became moot Lol, I reread the chapter and Madara said he had the Sharingan after they sparred. And don't even say it was the same day because it was made clear it wasn't. Hashirama said "after that we kept meeting" so there's no telling when he awakened the Sharingan. Seeing as how Izuna wasn't the only one surprised, his own father was too it must have been closer to the time their families were about to fight.

Madara wanted to save Izuna at cost, he also cared for hashirama and sure wasnt all turned up fighting him after he just warned him about the trap, small lie is fitting here, claiming that hashi is stronger w/o a proper fight isnt.

Except that this is your assumption. It will always be your assumption. The fact is Madara stated Hashirama was stronger and if they fought they'd lose. Show me a scan where it says Madara wanted to avoid bloodshed? There's not, so it's your assumption and the only fact we have is:

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Needless to say that over the years hashi failed killing madara which just desproves the statement.

Statements like this is why I know you're wrong. Hashirama never wanted to kill Madara and here is the proof:

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Senju and tobirama have clear battle worn signs.
All the proof needed.

That doesn't prove they were involved directly in the fight.
-Anime showed the Uchiha clan was there too. Hashirama always took on Madara by himself as seen when Izuna was killed.

- if you don't accept non cannon a PS shockwave would have sent all the Senju rolling and caused their battle armor to wear like that

It's open to interpretation, but the fact is Madara took on Hashirama and lost

Delayed izanagi takes chakra as well, madara just picked bad time

Ok. It still doesn't change the fact he didn't do it.

No contradiction here.
Madara could easily brake that restrain with susanoo had he not been busy taking a train to the living world. Hashi couldnt do anything with rods and madz could rip his soul off or release from tensei by controling him, hashi just had no way of ending madara.

1:1 you'll warm up to it :leaf:

Lol, again with your "could've" if it didn't happen it doesn't count, you just come off as desperate when you rely on "could've"

 

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No room for "could've" when it comes to facts Lol. The fact is he didn't.

Hashiarama fear's Edo Madara Susanoo see in episode 378 time 00:22:52 to 00:22:56

 

[Glad Of War]

Huh, interesting.

It's similar to how Sasuke is currently leading 4-0 against Naruto. Could this be a foreshadowing on how Naruto will meet his demise at the hands of Sasuke?

Hmm...

Really?
If I remember correctly, the first fight between Sasuke & Naruto was at the hospital.
It was clearly a draw. Though Naruto Rasengan caused a higher damage than Sasuke's chidori.

The Second fight was at the Valley of end.
Sasuke clearly won unfairy coz Naruto was going for his Headband to prove a point.
Unlike Sasuke who was hell-bent to kill.

Finally the third fight happened after the time-skip.
Sasuke clearly won I admit.
While the fourth one wasn't really a combat. More like a TNJ scenario.