[Theory] How Madara Knows Obito

[jt1891]

Since 599 was published, one of the most frequently asked questions has been about Madara's relationship with Obito given that the former appears to have died long before the latter was even born. Answers have ranged from 'Obito is a time traveler' to 'Someone is Body Surfing Obito'. So far every explanation I've seen has it's issues so I want to take my own shot at it.

So my theory is this; Before Madara died, he sealed a portion of his chakra away within a person or object, and set it to awaken under a given set of circumstances. Obito, sometime after his disappearance, triggered the seal and awoke Madara's imprint who proceeded to pass on his knowledge and plans.

Now, what evidence do I have? Precedent and logical necessity.

The fact is, if Madara did indeed die long before Obito was born there are only two possibilities as to how they know each other. Either Obito isn't really Obito or Madara managed to live on in some form beyond the grave.

Now, the problems with Obito not really being Obito are obvious. If he isn't, the flashbacks in 599 become entirely pointless and Kishi is just trolling us for kicks. I personally don't think that's likely.

So we go with the second option. Madara somehow managed to live on somehow. This could happen in two ways; First, Obito could have Edo Tensei'd Madara and chatted him up. However, considering Tobi's lack familiarity with Edo Tensei I don't think it's likely. Next, Madara did something for which we already have a precedent for in Minato and Kushina; he preserved a portion of his chakra.

Thus, my theory.

Thoughts?

 

[shri3kbat]

I don't think Madara knew Obito at all. What's there saying Madara had to know him?

 

[Olyasama]

I don't think Madara knew Obito at all. What's there saying Madara had to know him?

Kabuto informs Madara that he theorised that he had obtained a portion of Hashirama Senju during their confrontation, despite losing to him. Madara then proceeds to check underneath his shirt, after which he complements Kabuto on his preparation, before asking if he knew of their plan. Notified of Kabuto's uncertainty that the "fake" will act accordingly. And then he states "He definitely has something in mind... Thigs doesn't seem to go according to our plan so far".

 

[Bijuu Kage]

Maybe

 

[jt1891]

I don't think Madara knew Obito at all. What's there saying Madara had to know him?

First, shortly after Madara's resurrection he made several remarks about 'him', referring to Tobi. Also, Kishi confirmed during one of his recent interviews that Tobi and Madara do know each other. See:

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[Olyasama]

"This is his doing" refers to Orochimaru. Kabuto specifically calls himself his assistant. When he said "things didn't go according to plan" he wasn't referring to Tobi being part of his plan. There's nothing saying this. If he shared his plan with anyone at the time he was alive it was likely Zetsu.

I actually made a thread about this but I can't post links yet

No sence. Orochimaru himseld told that he doesn't have anything common with Madara's plan. And calling himself "his" assistant is a reffering for being Tobi's comrade in this war. Making a hypothesis is a good thing, but until it's not a complete mess.

 

[Olyasama]

And also Kishimoto himself told in the interview that Tobi and Madara know each other pretty good, as well as the're aware of each other's dealings.

 

[shri3kbat]

No sence. Orochimaru himseld told that he doesn't have anything common with Madara's plan. And calling himself "his" assistant is a reffering for being Tobi's comrade in this war. Making a hypothesis is a good thing, but until it's not a complete mess.

From what we know Madara knew two capable of edo tensei: Tobirama and Orochimaru. At the time Madara died, only one of these were left alive hence "It must be his" doing. It doesn't say anywhere Orochimaru had to be involved with Madara's plan. His talk about the plan is in the next speak bubble.

 

[jt1891]

From what we know Madara knew two capable of edo tensei: Tobirama and Orochimaru. At the time Madara died, only one of these were left alive hence "It must be his doing. It doesn't say anywhere Orochimaru had to be involved with Madara's plan. His talk about the plan is in the next speak bubble.

'This is his doing' was not referring to Madara's zombie status, but rather to the war as Madara's previous appearance was questioning Muu about the Allied Army.

Though, it's ultimately irrelevant to the topic at hand given that Kishi has independently confirmed that Madara and Tobi know each other.

 

[shri3kbat]

'This is his doing' was not referring to Madara's zombie status, but rather to the war as Madara's previous appearance was questioning Muu about the Allied Army.

Though, it's ultimately irrelevant to the topic at hand given that Kishi has independently confirmed that Madara and Tobi know each other.

Oh, when I think about it it's not where Madara first appeared so you must be right. Sorry, I was totally wrong ^^ Yeah he must be referring to Tobi then, and when I reread that interview it said the two knew each other. Strange