How Kakashi handles Shisuusenju/possible counters

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Buddha is a mere statue... it needs Hashirama to power it up.. lol. You can't counter something that doesn't do anything..

Now if you are referring to Hashirama controlling the buddha.. then sir, its a whole different scenario.
I already acknowledged this point and responded to it in Method 2, Mind Kamui

Sounds like someone didn't read before posting

No one could be this stupid right?

You just posted a scan that showed him using Kamui on the 8 tails AFTER Kurama had given him chakra?

Wow, just wow. Log off, that was just bad.
Don't play. Kakashi had his own natural chakra restored. He didn't have any Kurama chakra cloak on him, so he was only restored.
 
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I already acknowledged this point and responded to it in Method 2, Mind Kamui

Sounds like someone didn't read before posting

Don't play. Kakashi had his own natural chakra restored. He didn't have any Kurama chakra cloak on him, so he was only restored.

Already read it.. thats why i stated "if you are referring to Hashirama controlling the buddha.. then sir, its a whole different scenario." Meaning its still not gonna happen.
 

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tell me were u c koobi chakra
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You didnt read the thread at all
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ah and my previouse post becomes irrelevant..........
 

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Kakashi is NOT a sensor. I don't remember him having any sensing feat.
 

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That shit is overrated anyways .
Truth itt

Already read it.. thats why i stated "if you are referring to Hashirama controlling the buddha.. then sir, its a whole different scenario." Meaning its still not gonna happen.
...I don't think you understand

if kakashi kamuis hashirama then hes just a statue
you're trying to tell me something i dont know, this was the exact point you made in that first post and I already pointed that out and acknowledged the fact in point 2.

Now you're trying to switch it and and crap... what the hell else could I be talking about? Why on earth would I talk about shis. if I'm not including hashirama as it's mind? he controls the thing, I'm not going to put "How Kakashi handles Shisuusenju (controlled by hashirama)" in the thread title. That's a given, shouldnt need to be mentioned.

cmon now.
 

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I already acknowledged this point and responded to it in Method 2, Mind Kamui

Sounds like someone didn't read before posting

Don't play. Kakashi had his own natural chakra restored. He didn't have any Kurama chakra cloak on him, so he was only restored.

Don't play?
No, you just flopped. Hard.
You posted the scan and completely ignored Kakashi receiving Chakra from Kurama.

You did that.
Manga fact = Kakashi needs Kyuubi chakra to Kamui things of that size.

You failed.
 

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so you go and quote my post just to make fun of my spelling?......... wow.... just wow man... you sir must be desperate to prove that kakashi could last a mere minute against hashirama... :hooray: but fapboys gonna fap I aint even mad bro :whip:
 

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so you go and quote my post just to make fun of my spelling?......... wow.... just wow man... you sir must be desperate to prove that kakashi could last a mere minute against hashirama... :hooray: but fapboys gonna fap I aint even mad bro :whip:
I wasn't making fun of your spellling, it was the logic that sage mode could dodge kamui
 

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Why not? Isnt it made of wood? Divide total volume of shinsuu by volume of one person, there can even be couple of millions lol
thats not how shadow clones works
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you cant divide chakra from a summoning into shadow clones LOL
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thats not how shadow clones works
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you cant divide chakra from a summoning into shadow clones LOL
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O yeah your correct. But into wood clones you can =D
 

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Excuse me if the title is spelled but moving on, just a few things he could do.

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METHOD 1: KAMUI ESCAPE
Kakashi uses Kamui on himself to avoid the hits and waits until it disappears to come back.
COUNTER
No counter.

METHOD 2: MIND KAMUI
Kamui Hashirama, the mind of the tech and you're left with a generic statue with no orders.
COUNTER
No counter. The requirements to dodge Kamui are FTG/Aye tier speed, or a competing ability to kamui, which Hashirama lacks.

METHOD 3: CHIDORI IMMOBILIZATION STORM
Assuming he starts the battle with 100% chakra, he creates 20-30 clones and have them all combine hands with Chidori. This will create a cloud of thunder immobilizing anything that gets too close through shock, which will act as somewhat of a 'force field'.
COUNTER
Overwhelming the range of this cloud by launching all 1,000 hands at once through different angles. And not really a coutner, but as a drawback Kakashi won't be able to hold up this cloud for long.

METHOD 4: MOLE TECHNIQUE
Kakashi uses hiding like a mole technique to dive deep, deep into earth to a point he will not be effected by Shisuusenju. His options are to either hide under the ground until the coast is clear through sensing skills, or dig to a safe location.
COUNTER
Depends on how determined Hashirama is about getting to him really. Ravishing into the ground won't get him to reach how deep Kakashi is, though he could attempt throwing a few fists at the ground. But by then Kakashi may already have traveled to a different area and he'll just be swinging at the dirt.

Those are all the ways I can think of for now. Not meant to be a huge ground breaking thread or anything, but just something off the top of my head. Hope you like :yay:

1. Hiding in Kamui is pointless. Hashirama can simply wait on him. Just think, what does the statue do when it isn't summoned: sit somewhere. So basically all this does is stalemate the fight. Basically Kakashi retreats.

2. Understand the scale of Shinsusenju. It could be a about 5 times the size of all fours Kurama. The distance is way too far to use Kamui: which Kakashi has only used at mid range, or at long range against large targets. However,.Hashirama isn't a large target.

Furthermore, Kamui transports what he sees. Hashirama has so much scale, Kakashi has to weed through s forest to get to him.

Just because he has Kamui doesn't mean he'll get Hashirama. You have to also factor in the combat experience and skill of Hashirama which is far above Kakashi's.


3. Useless.

A) Mokuton > Raiton

B) Kakashi doesn't have the stamina to make 30 clones and have them link Chidori. Just one lightning clone took half his chakra against Pain. Two Raikiri against Kakuzu had drained him as well.

C) Once more, the scale of this thing wrecks just 30 clones.


4. Basically retreating like method one. However...

A) Shinsusenju can just ground pound and dig after him.

B) Mokuton holds the Mayfly technique as seen by Yamato and Zetsu.



Kakashi doesn't beat this summon.
 

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Truth itt

...I don't think you understand

if kakashi kamuis hashirama then hes just a statue
you're trying to tell me something i dont know, this was the exact point you made in that first post and I already pointed that out and acknowledged the fact in point 2.

Now you're trying to switch it and and crap... what the hell else could I be talking about? Why on earth would I talk about shis. if I'm not including hashirama as it's mind? he controls the thing, I'm not going to put "How Kakashi handles Shisuusenju (controlled by hashirama)" in the thread title. That's a given, shouldnt need to be mentioned.

cmon now.
no I said if its hashirama, its an another case, meaning he won't even get to kamui Hashirama.
 

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i think warping hashirama can work
hashi hasn't counter for kamui and for people who say kakashi won't see him because of the statue's height ,that is bullshit ,kakashi has sharingan ,naruto was speaking to obito and seeing him ,while obito was standing above the jiubi ,and for people who say hashi will counter kamui by bringing the statue between him and kakashi ,he won't have time to do that ,kamui is nearly instant
 
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