How is Sarutobi Hiruzen not the strongest Hokage

yuan of cruxis

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I mean he was said to have a counter to all leafs jutsu
Theres no getting around it, whatever people may say he is indeed better than Hashimara
Even took him on during his old age along with Tobirama and Orochimaru

Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history. In fact, he was so powerful that he was admired as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami) in his prime. According to Iruka, he was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had as well as the strongest of all the five Kage during his era.[8] Even in his old age, Kabuto Yakushi considered him the strongest of the Five Kage at the time of his death.[9] Enma commented on his battle with Orochimaru, saying that it was "miserable" compared to his prime, even though he had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and two former Hokage without losing his composure. Even in his old age, his chakra was noted for being very strong, causing a dense effect on the atmosphere when released;[10] furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth.[11] He was also the longest living and longest reigning Hokage. Hiruzen also had keen senses, being able to track down the former Hokage under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique.


Hiruzen was called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha. The first technique he was seen using was the Telescope Technique, which allowed him to observe others through his crystal ball over long distances.[13] With Roof Tile Shuriken, he could launch nearby tiles at an opponent with varying intensities. By throwing a single shuriken at an opponent, he could create a thousand clones of it in an instant to surround the opponent, making it extremely difficult for the enemy to evade them all. This method also meant that he doesn't have stock up on a lot of shuriken.
Orochimaru showed some surprise that he didn't use more of the Shadow Clone Technique during their battle. An ANBU agent watching the battle scene from nearby mentioned that Hiruzen's chakra levels had dropped to a point where he couldn't use it as much. While this might contradict the large amount of techniques he used in his battle with Orochimaru, it could also show his great chakra control, needing only the minimum amount of chakra to use each technique.
Sarutobi was highly skilled in elemental ninjutsu, using Fire Release and Earth Release. Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet allowed him to exhale a stream of fire from his mouth. Earth Release: Earth Flow River created a river of mud beneath the opponent to throw them off balance, and he could use the mud with Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet, which creates a dragon's head that launches mud balls at an opponent. He had also been shown to be adept in combining elemental techniques, as seen when he ignited the mud ball projectiles with Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet, creating a stream of lava that can melt nearly anything. Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall allowed Hiruzen to spit a stream of mud that solidifies into a protective shield.
Hiruzen also had a personal summon: Monkey King: Enma, who was capable of turning into a diamond-hard staff, which could alter its length and width at will, or become a cage to protect the summoner. The staff was Hiruzen's weapon of choice, and he showed great proficiency in wielding it; he successfully pushed back Kurama with it during its attack on Konoha.[14] Enma could also manifest parts of his body and attack an enemy with his claws and fangs, which added an element of surprise.

In terms of taijutsu, Hiruzen displayed a very high level of it in old age. He was able to counter Tobirama and Hashirama in close combat, despite them being in their prime in the Summoning: Impure World Resurrection. He could lay an explosive tag on each of their legs without them or Orochimaru who was controlling them even knowing. After summoning Enma, he could break Hashirama's Wood Release branches with ease.
Even when robbed of his sight from the genjutsu Bringer-of-Darkness Technique, he could still defend himself from Hashirama's and Tobirama's assaults, blocking all their attacks to prepare for his Dead Demon Consuming Seal. After sealing both former Hokage, he faced Orochimaru in single combat. Despite his sealing parts of his soul away in the Death God, as well as fighting for a prolonged amount of time before he engaged Orochimaru one on one, he effortlessly disarmed him of his sword.


People that say hes not the strongest Hokage must havent seen the show
 

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im not even gonna bother to read u are obviously a hiruzen fanboy ¬¬ ive seen too many of these threads made... why dont u close the thread and look at one of the older ones im sure one of them is gonna have an answer ur looking for ¬¬
 

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He was said to be the strongest we haven't actually seen this. Minato was also said to be the strongest too so it's a moot point. Also the edo monsters don't count since they were both mind wiped before the fight started.

Also he just has knowledge of all the jutsu in Konoha, he can't actually perform them.
 

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im not even gonna bother to read u are obviously a hiruzen fanboy ¬¬ ive seen too many of these threads made... why dont u close the thread and look at one of the older ones im sure one of them is gonna have an answer ur looking for ¬¬
You dont bother read, but you bother post huh
 

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He was said to be the strongest we haven't actually seen this. Minato was also said to be the strongest too so it's a moot point. Also the edo monsters don't count since they were both mind wiped before the fight started.

Also he just has knowledge of all the jutsu in Konoha, he can't actually perform them.
The fact that they were mind-wipe makes up for the fact that he was old
 

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1st Hokage. Until someone can show me with evidence and proof that any other kage can take on A full formed and powered kurama, AND a EMS MAdara uchiha, together at the same time and go head to head evenly..then no. Hiruzen is not the strongest. If Minato lived as long as any of the kage did, he'd be the strongest, Hiruzen at his prime would be no match against hashi
 

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1st Hokage. Until someone can show me with evidence and proof that any other kage can take on A full formed and powered kurama, AND a EMS MAdara uchiha, together at the same time and go head to head evenly..then no. Hiruzen is not the strongest. If Minato lived as long as any of the kage did, he'd be the strongest, Hiruzen at his prime would be no match against hashi
Minato living as long getting strong like that can e said for anyone
And 3rd Hokage=Strongest Hokage
 

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Minato living as long getting strong like that can e said for anyone
And 3rd Hokage=Strongest Hokage
talking about the kage, and so, no, it actually cant be said about everyone because 1st lived for a long time, so did the second, so did the third, and tsunade is pretty old herself, Minato died the youngest and never got the chance to fully reach his potential. All he was shown to do was use FTG, and use his incompleted rasengan. If he had all the years that other kage had, he would be a legend seeing As at a young age, he could still hold his own against.

But like I said, show me anyone else other than Hashi who can take on Kurama and the strongest uchiha in history Madara with ems, at the same time, when you show me how hiruzen can, then i will agree with you, but since you cant, i disagree.
 

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The fact that they were mind-wipe makes up for the fact that he was old
It doesn't make up for the fact that it was not actually Hashirama and Tobirama fighting. We can't say that he would beat the real Tobirama and Hashirama because nobody would be able to fight better with their bodies than the real people.
 

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It doesn't make up for the fact that it was not actually Hashirama and Tobirama fighting. We can't say that he would beat the real Tobirama and Hashirama because nobody would be able to fight better with their bodies than the real people.
This^^
Its pretty dumb how ppl use the "Hiruzen fought edo Hashi and Tobi at the same time." argument. Its not as simple as he fought them two together. People fail to realize numerous facts that were in the battle:

1. Orochi was pretty much controlling what moves they used, how/what they dodge, when to attack. So technically, they were actually weaker than if it were their original selves. If it were the real Hashi and Tobi, they would have used much better teamwork since they have fought in many battle together, different movesets

2. Orochi was toying with Hiruzen for most of that fight. Taunting him with the 1st and 2nd. His goal wasnt just to kill hiruzen, he wantedto make him suffer physically and emotionally. If Orochi wanted to kill him off the bat, he would have just made them use more powerful moves and used them better.

Edo tensei arent good comparisons cuz someone is always controlling them, the only legit Edo VS are Edo madara and Edo Itachi cuz they are the only two right now who's moves and actions arent controlled by Kabuto.
 

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The first is stronger physically. Hiruzen even commented on his herculean strength. Hashi is like Superman with Tsunade being Superwoman. Hashirama descended from the sage of six paths so thats probably what makes him more powerful. He tamed the tailed beasts like pets, I can't imagine the 3rd doing that even in his prime.
 

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:sy: Hiruzen did admit that the 4th was stronger the 4th was the strongest hokage bro face it :cool: he'd reck them all

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he was saying that the fourth would own orochimaru, it dont automatically mean he was the strongest.
I thought you were gonna post links showing where he said the fourth was the strongest..instead, pointlessness.:shrug: wassupwitdat
 
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