How is Naruto the savior, when the world is depended upon Sasuke?

[frozen5]

Pretty much this as kishi adding things contradictory all the time. But at the moment its sasuke

I agree, kishi himself is changing the meaning of the word and practically overusing it, and i think kishi made this sasuke's redemptiom from walking the path of hathred mostlikely

 

[lucario14]

Lol no the saviour has always been the person who ends the cycle of hatred and brings peace to the world. I cannot believe that you can argue against this point. The most Sasuke can ever be is a saviour not THE saviour because he needs narutos help. Anyway he wont even be that he will just be a hero.

It's funny how you think naruto can bring peace to the ninja world by himself. "The savior"? more like "one of two saviors". By the way, sasuke has broken the cycle of hatred himself because he was trapped in the cycle. Tell me what qualifies you to be a savior?

 

[shelke]

I love the blatant and annoying denials in this thread. It's a fact that bar the Edos - who are obviously dead and have no means of stopping IT, making them potentially just as useless as the rest - Sasuke is the only individual who is the key to stopping IT. Even Black Zetsu agrees, who is basically Kaguya's will. You deny this, you deny the important plot factor.

Let's not also forget that Naruto may have a messiah-complex going for him, but the fact that he seeks recognition from everyone dampens his character, making him supremely puerile and redundant in every sense of the world. A Savouir wouldn't seek validation, he would bring about realization through his actions. Sasuke fits the bill far more than Naruto here.

IT has enslaved the world, and the Liberator, the one who can end the " Grand Illusion " would be the True Saviour. It's just a fact at this point. Limiting this factor to the manga's title is petty and nonsensical and is a deterrent to the understanding of the entire concept. Face it, if this is the logic most Naruto fans bring, then their pettiness and lack of comprehension knows no bounds. Not that it's any surprising, given their track record.

So yes, I completely agree with OP. As that's the way the premise is. Without Sasuke's eye there is no way out of it. What's even more interesting is that the Sage granted Sasuke Kaguya's eye to end the enslavement of Humanity, and not Naruto. He must have known that his mother would intervene sooner or later. So to match her power, Sasuke was given the eye to battle her. This time, the favoritism was heavier for Indra's line. It gives Sasuke that much more mettle to win this battle.

Sounds like an all-round Saviour to me.

 

[Dantee]

I love the blatant and annoying denials in this thread. It's a fact that bar the Edos - who are obviously dead and have no means of stopping IT, making them potentially just as useless as the rest - Sasuke is the only individual who is the key to stopping IT. Even Black Zetsu agrees, who is basically Kaguya's will. You deny this, you deny the important plot factor.

Let's not also forget that Naruto may have a messiah-complex going for him, but the fact that he seeks recognition from everyone dampens his character, making him supremely puerile and redundant in every sense of the world. A Savouir wouldn't seek validation, hut would bring about realization through his actions. Sasuke fits the bill far more than Naruto here.

IT has enslaved the world, and the Liberator, the one who can end the " Grand Illusion " would be the True Saviour. It's just a fac at this point. Limiting this factor to the manga's title is petty and nonsensical and is a deterrent to the understanding of the entire concept. Face it, if this is the logic most Naruto fans bring, then their pettiness and lack of comprehension knows no bounds. Not that it's any surprising, given their track record.

So yes, I completely agree with OP. As that's the way the premise is. Without Sasuke's eye there is no way out of it. What's even more interesting is that the Sage granted Sasuke Kaguya's eye to end the enslavement of Humanity and not Naruto. He must have known that his mother would intervene sooner or later. So to match her power, Sasuke was given the eye to battle her. This time, the favoritism was heavier for Indra's line. It gives Sasuke that much more mettle to win this battle.

Sounds like an all-round Saviour to me.

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[Itachi Minato]

It's funny how you think naruto can bring peace to the ninja world by himself. "The savior"? more like "one of two saviors". By the way, sasuke has broken the cycle of hatred himself because he was trapped in the cycle. Tell me what qualifies you to be a savior?

Sasuke broke it but he doesn't have the recognition of most the world. Anyway, the world doesnt know anything about the saviour so as far as they are concerned Naruto and Sasuke are just Heroes. What qualifies Naruto as the savious is the fact that he is prophesied to be the saviour. Personally, Sasukes attitude means that not many people will like him so I dont see how he could change anybodys opinion. They might both be saviours but Sasuke has been prophesied as his rival. Anyway, its kishis manga I dont see how anyone can argue against the fact the main character is the saviour. Sasuke will probably help him accomplish it. However, nobody can argue that Sasuke is the saviour and Naruto is not. The best they can do is say they are both saviours which this thread is not saying, it is saying Sasuke is the saviour not Naruto.

 

[lucario14]

Sasuke broke it but he doesn't have the recognition of most the world. Anyway, the world doesnt know anything about the saviour so as far as they are concerned Naruto and Sasuke are just Heroes. What qualifies Naruto as the savious is the fact that he is prophesied to be the saviour.

Nagato was prophesied, look what happened to him.

Personally, Sasukes attitude means that not many people will like him so I dont see how he could change anybodys opinion.

Through his actions.

They might both be saviours but Sasuke has been prophesied as his rival. Anyway, its kishis manga I dont see how anyone can argue against the fact the main character is the saviour. Sasuke will probably help him accomplish it. However, nobody can argue that Sasuke is the saviour and Naruto is not. The best they can do is say they are both saviours which this thread is not saying, it is saying Sasuke is the saviour not Naruto.

I believe that both need to cooperate in order to achieve true peace. I think the OP is saying how people call naruto the savior when he is clearly not. Both are the saviors

 

[Itachi Minato]

Nagato was prophesied, look what happened to him.
Through his actions.
I believe that both need to cooperate in order to achieve true peace. I think the OP is saying how people call naruto the savior when he is clearly not. Both are the saviors

1. Ok thats a fair enough point but I think we can both see that at this point in time Naruto is not gonna go that way.
2. You maybe be right but not many people are willing to accept him yet. Of course he will be accepted but... I dont know probably
3.I dont think that is what the OP is saying but if he is then fair enough. I may not agree completely but it is a legitimate argument. My point is that even if Sasuke ends IT it doesnt automatically mean there will be peace in the world. My interpretation of the saviour is the one who brings peace to the world. It doesnt matter that Sasuke ends IT if it doesnt result in peace. Kishi wil probably make them work together I suppose. But saviour is singular, it cant be plural. Personally, I think Kishi messed up with this saviour crap. If they both turn out to be the saviour then it means that the prophecy was wrong but we have seen that that is possible with Nagato. In fact I now believe that they will both be the saviours because we have already seen that the toad can be wrong.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

I actually somewhat agree. If Sasuke had the bijuu's power he could do it all alone.

and?
if Naruto had the eye power he could do it alone

 

[frozen5]

I love the blatant and annoying denials in this thread. It's a fact that bar the Edos - who are obviously dead and have no means of stopping IT, making them potentially just as useless as the rest - Sasuke is the only individual who is the key to stopping IT. Even Black Zetsu agrees, who is basically Kaguya's will. You deny this, you deny the important plot factor.

Let's not also forget that Naruto may have a messiah-complex going for him, but the fact that he seeks recognition from everyone dampens his character, making him supremely puerile and redundant in every sense of the world. A Savouir wouldn't seek validation, he would bring about realization through his actions. Sasuke fits the bill far more than Naruto here.

IT has enslaved the world, and the Liberator, the one who can end the " Grand Illusion " would be the True Saviour. It's just a fact at this point. Limiting this factor to the manga's title is petty and nonsensical and is a deterrent to the understanding of the entire concept. Face it, if this is the logic most Naruto fans bring, then their pettiness and lack of comprehension knows no bounds. Not that it's any surprising, given their track record.

So yes, I completely agree with OP. As that's the way the premise is. Without Sasuke's eye there is no way out of it. What's even more interesting is that the Sage granted Sasuke Kaguya's eye to end the enslavement of Humanity, and not Naruto. He must have known that his mother would intervene sooner or later. So to match her power, Sasuke was given the eye to battle her. This time, the favoritism was heavier for Indra's line. It gives Sasuke that much more mettle to win this battle.

Sounds like an all-round Saviour to me.

1./ Naruto does not seek validation, his desire to be recognised (btw he was a child at that time) has been replaced by the desire to protect his friends at any cost you would not notice that since you are more interested in sasuke, and has shown this desire even towards sasuke a friend who treathen to destroy what he wants to protect.

2./ the TRUE SAVIOUR is not the one who realeases everyone from IT, that person would just be considered a SAVIOUR
because realeasing everyone from it will just be a vital link to the complete solution of the problem, what heppens if in another 3 generations or so another person becomes the jubi-jin and casts IT upon the world?.... simple they need another savoiur for the SAME PROBLEM thus meaning true salvation of the problem was never delievered.

3./ The sage did infact give sasuke THE JUBI'S EYE to rid the world of IT if in ever occured, BUT do you actually think sasuke will be able to MATCH kaguya's power?? really?? the power that the sage himself could not match with all the spirit weapons, all the dojutsu's, COAT and being the jubi-jin.

4./ the sage im sure said hes not going to be baised this time and entrust the furture to both generations.

take into consideeration This is a shounen manga

 

[shelke]

1./ Naruto does not seek validation, his desire to be recognised (btw he was a child at that time) has been replaced by the desire to protect his friends at any cost you would not notice that since you are more interested in sasuke, and has shown this desire even towards sasuke a friend who treathen to destroy what he wants to protect.

2./ the TRUE SAVIOUR is not the one who realeases everyone from IT, that person would just be considered a SAVIOUR
because realeasing everyone from it will just be a vital link to the complete solution of the problem, what heppens if in another 3 generations or so another person becomes the jubi-jin and casts IT upon the world?.... simple they need another savoiur for the SAME PROBLEM thus meaning true salvation of the problem was never delievered.

3./ The sage did infact give sasuke THE JUBI'S EYE to rid the world of IT if in ever occured, BUT do you actually think sasuke will be able to MATCH kaguya's power?? really?? the power that the sage himself could not match with all the spirit weapons, all the dojutsu's, COAT and being the jubi-jin.

4./ the sage im sure said hes not going to be baised this time and entrust the furture to both generations.

take into consideeration This is a shounen manga

1 - Anyone who seeks recognition requires validation. Recognition cannot occur without crossing this bridge. One requires validation for his/hers principles, comments, beliefs - only then that individual can be assimilated in a societal set up with a set ideology. It's like pointing out something so obvious.

2 - That is your personal opinion, as given the context, the whole purpose of IT is to enslaved people under an Illusion. The one who breaks it, is the True Liberator. As that would ensue in bringing them to reality. Whatever happens afterwards is not even a matter of debate here.

3 - The eye is the same - it matches. Power is a relative term. In Narutoverse, it's backed by Chakra. I didn't even mention it, so it's better not to put words into my mouth. I said he'll match her in Ocular powers and that's a fact. Why? Because he possesses the ability to negate something Kaguya's will created. Unless, you have something to post in regards to current story development.

4 - Okay?

 

[frozen5]

1 - Anyone who seeks recognition requires validation. Recognition cannot occur without crossing this bridge. One requires validation for his/hers principles, comments, beliefs - only then that individual can be assimilated in a societal set up with a set ideology. It's like pointing out something so obvious.

2 - That is your personal opinion, as given the context, the whole purpose of IT is to enslaved people under an Illusion. The one who breaks it, is the True Liberator. As that would ensue in bringing them to reality. Whatever happens afterwards is not even a matter of debate here.

3 - The eye is the same - it matches. Power is a relative term. In Narutoverse, it's backed by Chakra. I didn't even mention it, so it's better not to put words into my mouth. I said he'll match her in Ocular powers and that's a fact. Why? Because he possesses the ability to negate something Kaguya's will created. Unless, you have something to post in regards to current story development.

4 - Okay?

1. im sure i said his desire to be recognised was replaced and can be clearly seen through his actions.

2. im sure the entire story was said to be based on liberator being the one who will break the cycle of hatred(jiraya, elder toad, pain). not the one to break IT. the breaking of IT will just the winning of the battle not the war. and thus making your argument opionised also.

3. Put words in your mouth? you cleary said "match kaguya's power", you should have been specific from the first post. and feel free to re read your post

4. that point was about you saying the favoritetism was in indra's favor.

 

[Lord Fear]

Iruka solos. End of thread.