How is minato SM an asspull?

[Harry Balzac]

How can you be serious?

 

[black uchiha]

Lol again...the 4th sealed naruto's sage chakra within himself (maybe) but no matter how you put it it's still an asspull

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

Also, there are threads debunking most of the examples you listed in your thread.

Of course, you would have known that had you used the search feature of the forums.

Link to these threads? I could use a good laugh. I can probably guess what's in them anyway honestly.

Honestly getting tired of people using the "can't use KCM/BM and SM together.

It's called turning KCM/BM off and then you can use SM. Why didn't he do that?

Seen the same points in 6 other threads about this topic. Did you just copy and past the points from those in here?

He didn't do that because he was supplementing the entire SA with Kyuubi chakra and keeping them safe. That was more important than his ability to use SM. Him getting it was rather sudden, but regardless of that it doesn't really make it any less believable, considering Minato's history and the circumstances of the current war.

I don't see why you guys are so insistent on calling this an asspull, when there's plenty of reasons why it isn't. He was a student of Jiraiya and we've seen him use frog summons LONG ago. Regardless of what reasons you come up with for why it isn't legit, it's still canon and in the manga, so you're wrong regardless. Sucks to be you.

 

[Wik]

Explain how madara can use susanoo without his eyes
At the time sakura and sasuke powerups were asspulls coz sasuke has recently gained the ems yet it he can already do what madara can. Sakura yin seal literally came out of no where as she has had plenty of opportunities to use it before (pain arc)



All hype, has not shown feats that support the hype. Hashirama and Minato defo surpass him. Tobirama debatable. He prob beats tsunade. The person who said all that can easily hype up hiruzen without actually seeing what Hashirama and Minato could do.

I'd say Tsunade would beat the third (the one that died vs Oro) as well. As you say, most of what's known about Hiruzen is that he can use 5 elements knows lots of stuff, has a monkey buddy and can use shadowclones. None of this enough to beat Tsunade who will just outlast him and hit him with wide area attacks. I am not going to talk about Prime Hiruzen since we've never seen him do anything at all.

 

[Lagadatte]

Sure, let's say I buy it about him not being able to use SM with KM, whatever, let's close our eyes to the fact that Kyuubi was working with him willingly and technically there was no problem with him using SM.

And yes, you are right, Minato has the perfect background for learning Senjutsu; so much so, in fact, that I wondered why the toads never tried to teach him. Some comments from Pa (about Naruto having surpassed his predecessorS) made me believe that he DID in fact learn it up TO A POINT.

That does not explain the fact that Minato demonstrated a perfect Sage Mode like that of Naruto - something that Pa said has not been achieved before. Furthermore, not only was his Sage Mode perfect (no warts and other froglike features), but he also entered it in record time. He barely sat still at all, he didn't have to meditate for a second. Wasn't that the whole big deal about Ma and Pa having to be there? Something that Naruto very smartly trumped with clones? Doesn't that negate all the hard work demonstrated by the protagonist or the drawbacks of this otherwise exceptionally OP technique?

This is why I would call Minato's SM an asspull. Not because it's improbable, but because it just got fodderized. Big time.