How is Madara not in his old state?

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I thought that he died in his old body back in the hideout where he found Obito, meaning that shouldn't his soul go back to that body when he was revived? Sorry if it is an obvious answer, I was just confused about this.
 

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I refer back to when Kabuto modified Madara's body, which is how he's in his prime while Hiruzen was revived in his old state.
 

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Madara is switching body i guess most likely he his switching soul
And Kabuto made him better than he was in prime,,
He is coming back to life IN Edo body by Sacrifcing Obito,, That's what i think
 
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well that is the old question
but for you i can explain you :-
kabuto said that madara is a SPECIAL EDO and kabuto revived him in his ''prime state'' and that was a exceptional case for a edo

kabuto make hashi cells more useful for madara thats why madara was able to use wood techniques otherwise madara's wood technique would be as same as yamato's U_U
 

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Because madara was a special edo, and because technically he was not dead, his vessel just gained flesh, which makes him a live being.
 

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well that is the old question
but for you i can explain you :-
kabuto said that madara is a SPECIAL EDO and kabuto revived him in his ''prime state'' and that was a exceptional case for a edo

kabuto make hashi cells more useful for madara thats why madara was able to use wood techniques otherwise madara's wood technique would be as same as yamato's U_U

Wait..Why is that?
Whether if Madara was able to use Mokuton or not, before Kabuto revived him is not sure.
He even then said that he should not misunderstand and that he did not create this power.
Or something like that
 

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Rinne Tensei No Justu: Brings you back to life. Kabuto gave prime state to Madara.
 

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Hashirama cell work like the yin seal.lol
 

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The great logic of Kishi.
 

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Hashirama cell work like the yin seal.lol

As you stated before, haha. Now it all makes sense... It would make sense because Hashi cells and Yin release + Hashi cells on Madara's body that were strengthening his already Hashi cells that he gained from his encounter with his old lover.

Some sort of logic like that at least.
 

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we all gave up on kishi's logic a long time ago,first it was rinne tensei that bring only recently dececed,now it can bring anyone back anytime.he's twisting the story for the sake of the plot progression.
 

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I will explain to you in the simplest possible way:

Rinne tensei bring you in the lastest state your body was, unless:

1) You are not dead currently as edo then you will be revived in Edo body - Edo Tensei is expection from rules once again. Edo Tensei defies logic

2) The user of Rinne Tensei can choose at what period of time you want to ressurect dead peoples..., also possible as Edo Tensei, but it depends on mastery over Rinnegan.

Either Edo Tensei is expection from general rules... or mastery over Rinne Tensei gives choice to ressurect someone in whatever period of time body you was, as young, old or even child..., also possible as Edo artificial body.

we all gave up on kishi's logic a long time ago,first it was rinne tensei that bring only recently dececed,now it can bring anyone back anytime.he's twisting the story for the sake of the plot progression.

Maybe you are right... but also could be explanation to it.

I meant Rinne Tensei need soul of dead one to ressurect/revive this soul in body... that why only recently deceased one can be ressurected... because their souls didn't leave impure world yet... real word.

Thanks to Edo Tensei it makes sense, as Edo Tensei bring soul with force and then creates body for soul from ashes which take form of body depending from soul.

Simple if you Edo Tensei someone who is dead long time ago, then with Rinne Tensei you can bring him back.

It could work and make sense but the problem is Madara did not expect Obito or Nagato to use Edo Tensei to ressurect him and then through Rinne Tensei... but just Rinne Tensei...

So unless Rinnegan hold more secrets, or having Senjuu DNA exceeds some limits, and being original wielder may not even have any limits... or it could be plot hole with no explanation...
 
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I will explain to you in the simplest possible way:

Rinne tensei bring you in the lastest state your body was, unless:

1) You are not dead currently as edo then you will be revived in Edo body - Edo Tensei is expection from rules once again. Edo Tensei defies logic

2) The user of Rinne Tensei can choose at what period of time you want to ressurect dead peoples..., also possible as Edo Tensei, but it depends on mastery over Rinnegan.

Either Edo Tensei is expection from general rules... or mastery over Rinne Tensei gives choice to ressurect someone in whatever period of time body you was, as young, old or even child..., also possible as Edo artificial body.



Maybe you are right... but also could be explanation to it.

I meant Rinne Tensei need soul of dead one to ressurect/revive this soul in body... that why only recently deceased one can be ressurected... because their souls didn't leave impure world yet... real word.

Thanks to Edo Tensei it makes sense, as Edo Tensei bring soul with force and then creates body for soul from ashes which take form of body depending from soul.

Simple if you Edo Tensei someone who is dead long time ago, then with Rinne Tensei you can bring him back.

It could work and make sense but the problem is Madara did not expect Obito or Nagato to use Edo Tensei to ressurect him and then through Rinne Tensei... but just Rinne Tensei...

So unless Rinnegan hold more secrets, or having Senjuu DNA exceeds some limits, and being original wielder may not even have any limits... or it could be plot hole with no explanation...
Well said KCMNaruto,

I wonder if it could also bring back the Sage of Six Paths too... Or would they have too know the user to some degree ... (which I doubt the ;adder, as Nagato didn't encounter all of the shinobie in the village yet was able too revive them all right) ... Unless there were still some unaccounted for... :p Then I suppose some could have died from a heart attack and or object falling on them.... Dunno if that has been addressed before.
 

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Maybe you are right... but also could be explanation to it.

I meant Rinne Tensei need soul of dead one to ressurect/revive this soul in body... that why only recently deceased one can be ressurected... because their souls didn't leave impure world yet... real word.

Thanks to Edo Tensei it makes sense, as Edo Tensei bring soul with force and then creates body for soul from ashes which take form of body depending from soul.

Simple if you Edo Tensei someone who is dead long time ago, then with Rinne Tensei you can bring him back.

It could work and make sense but the problem is Madara did not expect Obito or Nagato to use Edo Tensei to ressurect him and then through Rinne Tensei... but just Rinne Tensei...

So unless Rinnegan hold more secrets, or having Senjuu DNA exceeds some limits, and being original wielder may not even have any limits... or it could be plot hole with no explanation...

you do realise this ET body isnt a real living body,so being revived in the same ET body he used to house,means that rinne tensei somehow transformed that edo body into a real one,which is pure BS.
 

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Maybe you are right... but also could be explanation to it.

I meant Rinne Tensei need soul of dead one to ressurect/revive this soul in body... that why only recently deceased one can be ressurected... because their souls didn't leave impure world yet... real word.

Thanks to Edo Tensei it makes sense, as Edo Tensei bring soul with force and then creates body for soul from ashes which take form of body depending from soul.

Simple if you Edo Tensei someone who is dead long time ago, then with Rinne Tensei you can bring him back.

It could work and make sense but the problem is Madara did not expect Obito or Nagato to use Edo Tensei to ressurect him and then through Rinne Tensei... but just Rinne Tensei...

So unless Rinnegan hold more secrets, or having Senjuu DNA exceeds some limits, and being original wielder may not even have any limits... or it could be plot hole with no explanation...

you do realise this ET body isnt a real living body,so being revived in the same ET body he used to house,means that rinne tensei somehow transformed that edo body into a real one,which is pure BS.
 
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