How is Izanami an asspull ?

[kladara]

Lol .

Itachi explained it very well . It is not like Itachi was the first who used it , many uchiha used it back then . Izanami was a counter for Izanagi . Kabuto was being careless .

Only Kabuto fanboys say that Izanami is an asspull though .

 

[Hipster Madara]

The asspull is that many uchiha used it.....and thus the whole jutsu :|

 

[Joon]

1. Izanami was created as a method to reprimand such clansmen, as well as save them from their own arrogance.
2. Itachi taken advantage of Edo Tensei.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Because it only works on people who can't accept who they are and guess who that was?Izanami is asspull because it only works on Kabuto who was immune to regular genjutsu and Itachi needed to defeat Kabuto without killing him.

 

[Fodder#4]

It's an asspull because it came out of no where; no prior warning other then a bit of rumors from those who know the mythology behind it that Izanami might be out there.

It perfectly fit the situation. If it was mentioned some point earlier in the series? Nah. But.. It came out of no where and served the situation ideally.

 

[Corgi]

I don't see the "asspull" either. Unless someone gives me a detailed description on why to change my views, I think it's just fanboys being mad.

 

[htmwall]

how can you know about a jutsu that requires an eye sacrifice and use it effectively throught only theories(there's no way itachi learned or experienced it that since he had both of his eyes).
also how does itachi know that one of kabuto's actions will repeat itself exactly,and how did he know unless he someohow can prediect the future?izanami is a near impossible jutsu to apply,since you can't know for sure an action will repeat itself and start recording from it.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I don't see the "asspull" either. Unless someone gives me a detailed description on why to change my views, I think it's just fanboys being mad.

For one Kabuto was the perfect target because he was living a lie,second it would only work on him, and third it just conviently happened to stop Kabuto who was immune to regular genjutsu.

 

[The Necromancer]

It's called Deus Ex Machina. It's used in a large majority of novels throughout history. Fanboys are just mad.

 

[Sasuke of the akatsuki]

It was an asspull; The circumstances of which the jutsu had to be used fitted the situation perfectly.

 

[oShux]

The asspull is that many uchiha used it.....and thus the whole jutsu :|

Only saw Obito and Itachi use it. Or did Obito use the other one? I always get them mixed up

OT-I do believe that Kishi is giving the sharingan all these power ups because since part 1 the sharingan has already been OP af. So he gave all other characters huge power ups thus making the sharingan look fodder, and decided to make the sharingan even more powerful. He should've stopped at EMS. but now we're finding out it evolves into rinnegan and has izanami/nagi

 

[htmwall]

It's called Deus Ex Machina. It's used in a large majority of novels throughout history. Fanboys are just mad.

wikipedia definition of Deus ex machina:

A deus ex machina (/ˈdeɪ.əs ɛks ˈmɑːkiːnə/ or /ˈdiːəs ɛks ˈmækɨnə/;[1] Latin: "god from the machine" pronounced [ˈdeus eks ˈmaː.kʰi.na]; plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved, with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object. Depending on how it is done, it can be intended to move the story forward when the writer has "painted himself into a corner" and sees no other way out, to surprise the audience, to bring a happy ending into the tale, or as a comedic device.

you just admitted it was PNJ.:snick:

 

[The Necromancer]

wikipedia definition of Deus ex machina:

you just admitted it was PNJ.:snick:

I never said it wasn't. I was trying to say that it's not like it hasn't happened hundreds of times throughout novels in all time periods. Don't get mad just because it was used now.

 

[htmwall]

I never said it wasn't. I was trying to say that it's not like it hasn't happened hundreds of times throughout novels in all time periods. Don't get mad just because it was used now.

i'm not really mad,but it's just sad really to see that what was once a manga(part 1 and first half of part 2)that had logical answer for everything and a smooth flow of the action is resorting to asspulls in order to progress the plot.
that fight could have been handled way better if sasuke and itachi tried to kill kabuto and in his weakest moment they force him to undo ET.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Did you make this because of me? If so, the title was to catch attention.

 

[Troyg39]

I think it's because when you really start to break it down it doesn't make much sense.

For starters, Itachi even said that it isn't a jutsu that can really be used in a real fight (I guess Kabuto wasn't a real fight)

But when you think about it, Izanami is a jutsu that requires you to use up your eye in order to stop another jutsu that also causes you to eventually lose your eye. So it was created to stop a move that Uchiha's couldn't spam like that anyway or else they'd go blind rather quickly. I mean even Obito could only use it for like 5-10 minutes tops before losing his eye and he had Senju dna, so imagine how fast the Uchihas Itachi was talking about ended up going blind. Furthermore, it was never explained very well as far as what would happen if you were to break out of the jutsu. It doesn't seem to stop you from using Izanagi again if you wanted to later. So basically, you waste your eye on someone who's just wasting theirs anyway.

Another thing to note, Itachi's explanation didn't say that the Uchihas were fighting one another to take each other's eyes, he said they were just arguing over which outcome to use. So they were basically bickering over which way to reach the same goal, hardly worth sacrificing your eye over, which makes them seem really stupid. I mean I'm not a big Uchiha fan anyway, but even I feel like they could've found a smarter way to deal with this issue.

I thought Kabuto was pretty lame personally so I don't consider it an "asspull" so to speak, but to me, Izanami did feel like a poorly thought out idea just thrown in to do away with Kabuto. Not poorly thought out because Kabuto got defeated by it, but because I feel like it discredited the Uchiha name a little too much when you really think about it. As far as Kabuto goes, I'm sure his fanboys would've been upset if he got beat the old fashioned way even more, so they should be happy Kishi thought of a jutsu just for him

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

For the ones that are saying that this is an asspull. You need to read the chapter from the start of the fight. I mean everyone who understands the situation knows that Itachi was the key in defeating Kabuto. Didn't Kabuto chastise both Uchihas for not using genjutsu? Itachi didn't automatically use Izanami because it took prep. Also, Itachi made it clear that he was intending to use a new jutsu. People are going over the top with Izanami being an asspull.

 

[shelke]

It's called Deus Ex Machina. It's used in a large majority of novels throughout history. Fanboys are just mad.

Albeit not originally a novel device - yes it was an actual apparatus in Greek plays - it still opens doors for poor plot-structure. In other words, an ass pull to create convenience. Same was the case with Sword Totsuka and Mirror Yata. All these are connected to Shinto, but a detailed prior warning is always welcoming.

What's more odd, is that Kabuto, despite his extensive study of Uchihas was oblivious to Izanagi's pair Izanami, when many Uchiha put it to good use. Strange.

 

[Untamed]

The asspull is that many uchiha used it.....and thus the whole jutsu :|

I get that many uchiha using it to stop other uchiha with izanagi , but that means more eyes have been lost.
It should have been thought over more because I guess that means there have been many uchiha vs uchiha battles out there where they eyes are needed to use izanami and izanagi since they go blind forever after using them , they must have taken other uchiha eyes to see again. O__O

Because it only works on people who can't accept who they are and guess who that was?Izanami is asspull because it only works on Kabuto who was immune to regular genjutsu and Itachi needed to defeat Kabuto without killing him.

It's an asspull because it came out of no where; no prior warning other then a bit of rumors from those who know the mythology behind it that Izanami might be out there.

It perfectly fit the situation. If it was mentioned some point earlier in the series? Nah. But.. It came out of no where and served the situation ideally.

What is wrong with you people??? Maybe Kishi planned this whole situation out before the war even started . So he was planning on Itachi using Izanami on Kabuto who would use real life snake abilities to avoid ocular genjutsu.
Kabuto being who he was in the War arc was quite an unbelievable accomplishment when you think about it , although I saw something completely similar coming since the Forest of Death.

 

[Gerkak]

it is an ass pull. The people above me already provided reasons