How is Itachi> Minato???

[Bogard]

Bogard, you overrate the hype given to Minato. Bee said Sasuke was the strongest guy he had to fight. Sasuke without Susanoo, Itachis level of Tsukuyomi, intelligence and other skills.

Mistranslation. Bee said one of the strongest

Who is Jiraiya to say that Minato is an unsurpassed Shinobi? A shit is given to his statement, 'cause everyone has his own perspectives and the statements are nothing but subjective and non literal. Muu also claimed Oonoki was the only one who could ever stop him, Neji was also praised as an unsurpassed kid of prodigy for his talent, it was said that no one, really no one could stop Madara except of Hashirama and I could give you a lot of more examples. You, as Minato is your favorite, is of course interested in putting his favorite character in the spotlight.

I'm only giving mangafacts. Not my fault if you refuse to accept them

 

[Erin]

Are you suggesting Itachi's Speed = Ay's speed?

Itachi is fast.. he may match Kakashi in speed but he doesn't go beyond that U_U

Also Kakashi has on par reflexes with Itachi but Minato is far above him [or them]

Look what he has to say

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false, Kakashi clearly states his is not on par with Itachi.
Also, in that attack when Minato dodged Ay's attack, even if Ay had better reactions than Minato he wouldnt have hit him because he cannot, or has an extremley hard time changing direction during an attack. He has never completely changed direction as his momentum and actually movement speed is most likely a factor.

I am even sceptical of minato dodging amaterasu as he has no knowledge of what it is, and the way to tell if amaterasu is about to be cast is very similar to other sharingan genjutsus.

Fire has no form, it doesn't matter as the kyyubi ball was really powerful, was round, but it doesn't matter.

Minato has a Super Intelligence so he should know how to counter itachi...


And you said Itachi is good at dodging shurikens.... well he has lost a lot of his vision mate

Itachi is on par if not above minato's intelligence.

1.I already stated im using first encounter stamina. So your vision comment is null and void, even so, he would still have the same performance as he did versus sasuke, impaired itachi still trumps minato's shuriken jutsu.
2. Minato may be able to remove a small patch of tree's 3 or 4, but the area will relight in a matter of seconds.

Also how does Minato dodge amaterasu with no intel?

 

[FourthLegacy]

Minato is fodder, Bro.

Even Hashirama admitted Itachi is better than him.

Oh my i can't even.
He didnt mean power. He meant the ahonoo way on enduring to protect what you love
He may be a fodder but he created the main CHARACTHER

 

[Bogard]

false, Kakashi clearly states his is not on par with Itachi.

You mistake body speed and jutsu speed. It's Itachi's jutsu speed he had difficulties to follow, not his body movement speed, and even so in the end, he still fooled Itachi with a water clone. That was part1 Kakashi anyway. Kakashi in part2 has shown to be able to match his level of speed perfectly

 

[Lightbringer]

I can't say whether or not Minato can defeat Itachi since I'm sure there is a lot more to his arsenal that we'll see in the near future

but solely judging Minato's abilities from what we've seen thus far, I don't think he can defeat Itachi

His Rasengan and FTG isn't enough to break through Susanoo, and he doesn't know all the functions of the sharingan

Itachi is very good at tricking people with it, even someone as skilled as Bee(he caught him in one for a brief moment)

and he has his finger genjutsu which I doubt Minato would be aware of

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but as I've said....we haven't seen all that Minato is capable of yet, but as for now I believe Itachi is stronger

 

[Erin]

You mistake body speed and jutsu speed. It's Itachi's jutsu speed he had difficulties to follow, not his body movement speed, and even so in the end, he still fooled Itachi with a water clone. That was part1 Kakashi anyway. Kakashi in part2 has shown to be able to match his level of speed perfectly

I was never talking about body speed, I was implying reaction and reflex speed. I just added body flicker as an intesting feat that itachi has. And kakashi has yet to match the speed feat vs three, 3 tomoe tensed, and in broad daylight, police force officers.

 

[Bogard]

I was never talking about body speed, I was implying reaction and reflex speed. I just added body flicker as an intesting feat that itachi has. And kakashi has yet to match the speed feat vs three, 3 tomoe tensed, and in broad daylight, police force officers.

No need to show a comparable feat to what Itachi did when he matched Itachi himself already(look at the bottom, they were even):

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[King-Panda]

I'd like to continue here showing why minato is superior to itachi, but theres also people that wont listen, that are stubborn, which turns the argument pointless, like arguing with a wall... Anyway there are those that listen, and I would show them more evidence that minato>itachi...

....but i need to go, RL>narutobase

false, Kakashi clearly states his is not on par with Itachi.
Also, in that attack when Minato dodged Ay's attack, even if Ay had better reactions than Minato he wouldnt have hit him because he cannot, or has an extremley hard time changing direction during an attack. He has never completely changed direction as his momentum and actually movement speed is most likely a factor.

I am even sceptical of minato dodging amaterasu as he has no knowledge of what it is, and the way to tell if amaterasu is about to be cast is very similar to other sharingan genjutsus.


Itachi is on par if not above minato's intelligence.

1.I already stated im using first encounter stamina. So your vision comment is null and void, even so, he would still have the same performance as he did versus sasuke, impaired itachi still trumps minato's shuriken jutsu.
2. Minato may be able to remove a small patch of tree's 3 or 4, but the area will relight in a matter of seconds.

Also how does Minato dodge amaterasu with no intel?

why would itachi amaterasu the forest, so minato wouldn't be able to use his technique in the best way he can? not randomly... amaterasu also takes time to form... sasuke avoided many by running, minato has ftg...

 

[Waltz]

Itachi already has Canonical knowledge of Minato and FTG as it is the sole reason he had the Moniker "Yellow-Flash of konoha". In any serious fight Itachi first resort is genjutsu as it requires the least chakra and is the quickest and most efficient way to end a battle. Minato fans claim that Minato would simply close his eyes if fighting a Doujutsu wielding opponents such as the uchiha but this has been actually been proven false. Minato became famous in an age of war, specifically fodder war as his only serious opponents were Ay and Bee, opponents which he never had a full fight with but a few head bumps on several occasions. It's evident that Minato has 0 experience in fighting Genjutsu Wielding uchiha as he constantly makes eye contact with such opponents without considering such crucial facts:

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No doubt a sloppy fighting style. Eye contact in which genjutsu such as Tsukuyomi or Utakata Ephemeral would come into play. Minato has no evasive method against something like that as eye contact would have already been established. Itachi could then Finish him swiftly with Totsuka as he would be completely exhausted and out of stamina//still retained in the extended genjutsu (Ukataka) and end the battle there. Other than that Itachi has various ways of getting rid of Minato such as izanami which only requires the opponent to have 5 senses. Things like kotoamatsukami wouldn't be necessary in such a fight and itachi himself has already given his views on Minato:

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However, in the flashback pages where Kushina was kidnapped, she looks no older than anyone did back in Part 1. Therefore we can say with confidence that she was around 12. Minato was in the same year as her, therefore he was also 12. The three Kumogakure ninja who kidnapped Kushina were Jonin. We know Kumogakure were trying to find ways to better control the Eight Tails, after all, and they wouldn't have sent three Chunin on such a vital mission. Which means Minato beat three Jonin without Hiraishin and Rasengan, which isn't actually hard to believe considering Itachi himself was capable of the same thing when he was a year or so older. At a young age they were in a sense portrayed as equals and their intelligence are almost on par but itachi is evidently the superior Shinobi given his Mangekyou and it's deadly attributes which deemed him invincible.

@Bogard: I read your thread, and by the logic you applied there Itachi > Hashirama because of this statement (rather absurd):

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[Dark Artist]

man some people are idiots
when hashirama said he is Better than me he was talking about his ( itachi ) relationship as a Brother with Sasuke it's doesn't mean he is stronger than hashirama man some people are really that dumb Jeez

hashirama called God of shinobi
did itachi has this title ?

madara with EMS lost to hashi
itachi with MS and weak stamina can beat hashi ?

he was talking about his relationship with Sasuke and he is a better brother thats all u ignorant fanboys

 

[Erin]

I'd like to continue here showing why minato is superior to itachi, but theres also people that wont listen, that are stubborn, which turns the argument pointless, like arguing with a wall... Anyway there are those that listen, and I would show them more evidence that minato>itachi...

....but i need to go, RL>narutobase




why would itachi amaterasu the forest, so minato wouldn't be able to use his technique in the best way he can? not randomly... amaterasu also takes time to form... sasuke avoided many by running, minato has ftg...

1.He does because its a plausable strategy.

2. when it appears, which is the only way he would realise what was happening, he would be lit by it.

Please... you couldnt counter any of my points, your just making an excuse to give up. Oh well.

 

[Strict]

Minato doesn't stand a chance against Tsukuyomi, without knowledge about the level of Itachis Genjutsu, so that there isn't a way of canceling it, he will fail. Furthermore, Itachi has plenty ways of catching his opponents in a Genjutsu, whether with his Dojutsu, other parts of his body or even crows he can equip with the Sharingan, in order to catch the opponent off guards. Crows always proved to be able to create openings as they block your sight and distract you, what was always an advantage, whether if used by Itachi or by Aoba. The small things sometimes make the decisive difference. Further you underestimate Itachis various skills, your view is to one sided and you doesn't even look at what Itachi could achieve. Not only that Minato will simultaneously carry the risk to be caught in one of Itachis strong illusion without even noticing it and above being solo'd with a single eye contact, Itachi on the other hand will be fully protected by his Susanoo - already the ribcage should be enough to render all of Minatos attacks useless. Also, like any other Shinobi, Minato can be fooled by an excellent usage of Bunshins and feints, Itachi makes successful use of; and someone like Minato, who hasn't effective attacks based on mid or long range, but have to hit the victim directly, will have no choice apart from attacking Itachi directly, latter in return making the use of explosive Bunshins to land a dramatical hit on Minato.

 

[Erin]

No need to show a comparable feat to what Itachi did when he matched Itachi himself already(look at the bottom, they were even):

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He was at 30% chakra and casting a genjutsu. It is also unclear what was happening when they clashed. They just jumped back at the same tine.

 

[King-Panda]

1.He does because its a plausable strategy.

2. when it appears, which is the only way he would realise what was happening, he would be lit by it.

Please... you couldnt counter any of my points, your just making an excuse to give up. Oh well.

was watching the champiuons league highlights, came here to see whats been said before i get off the computer... dont you know Amaterasu takes a lot time? u need to do the hand seel first and wait for a while..... meanwwhile minato would be there, seating, looking at him...

 

[Bogard]

He was at 30% chakra and casting a genjutsu. It is also unclear what was happening when they clashed. They just jumped back at the same tine.

Chakra has nothing to do with taijutsu. In taijutsu category like i've said, it's clearly seen they were even. The fact we see smoke between them means the battle between the 2 was intense while Naruto was in the genjutsu. So far it has not been shown that using a genjutsu on someone gives a handicap in battle, so it was no excuse at all. Even later again(after the genjutsu), we see they were even(and that was Kakashi's clone btw):

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[itachifan7]

he just is bra

 

[Erin]

Chakra has nothing to do with taijutsu. In taijutsu category like i've said, it's clearly seen they were even. The fact we see smoke between them means the battle between the 2 was intense while Naruto was in the genjutsu. So far it has not been shown that using a genjutsu on someone gives a handicap in battle, so it was no excuse at all. Even later again(after the genjutsu), we see they were even(and that was Kakashi's clone btw):

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Even here itachi has better reaction time, itachi dodged and countered a surprise attack, then successfully maneuvered kakashi into a genjutsu (all thought I was a clone.). Kakashi fell for the hold Itachi set up.

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In the middle panel it is clear that itachi still had a hold on kakashi's arm, and continued his motion to trap him.

Also the databook has kakashi at 5 speed (ill) while kakashi has 4.5, I have to disagree with you.

was watching the champiuons league highlights, came here to see whats been said before i get off the computer... dont you know Amaterasu takes a lot time? u need to do the hand seel first and wait for a while..... meanwwhile minato would be there, seating, looking at him...

Yes, it takes a pause in battle, minato would be a fool to try a close range attack while an attack he has no knowledge of is being prepared.
Minato has in the past, waited for his opponent to make the first move, preparing a plan or going on the defensive. My point is that if Itachi can cast it at any point, minato has no knowledge of it and most likely will be hit by it, unless he can cut his vest of or somthing, which is plausible.

Good Debate, you tried pretty hard.

 

[Bogard]

Even here itachi has better reaction time, itachi dodged and countered a surprise attack, then successfully maneuvered kakashi into a genjutsu (all thought I was a clone.). Kakashi fell for the hold Itachi set up.

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In the middle panel it is clear that itachi still had a hold on kakashi's arm, and continued his motion to trap him.

Also the databook has kakashi at 5 speed (ill) while kakashi has 4.5, I have to disagree with you.

Both were holding each other. Evidence by the fact that after realising it was a clone, Itachi couldn't escape and dodge Naruto's rasengan(because Kakashi's clone immobilised him). They were even. In fact, Kakashi even had the edge because everything went according to plan. He feint Itachi into believing he fell in his trap when in fact it's Itachi who fell into Kakashi's trap

Also feats talks more than databook which has even been proving wrong plenty of times already recently. Even if databook was true, pretty sure the 0,5 speed difference is much more smaller than you think, too small that it couldn't even make a difference in their taijutsu battle where they are even btw(both have 4,5)

 

[Itachi The Solo King]

itachi > minato

nuff said

 

[Erin]

Both were holding each other. Evidence by the fact that after realising it was a clone, Itachi couldn't escape and dodge Naruto's rasengan(because Kakashi's clone immobilised him). They were even. In fact, Kakashi even had the edge because everything went according to plan. He feint Itachi into believing he fell in his trap when in fact it's Itachi who fell into Kakashi's trap

Also feats talks more than databook which has even been proving wrong plenty of times already recently. Even if databook was true, pretty sure the 0,5 speed difference is much more smaller than you think, too small that it couldn't even make a difference in their taijutsu battle where they are even btw(both have 4,5)

1. That is correct, but it still doesnt put kakashi over Itachi in speed, I was pointing out that there where not really any speed feats on kakashi's part in that confrontation.
2. The feats that Itachi have shown still surpass kakashi's, they are feats he just cant match. Being restricted is not a good example of speed, in this case, Itachi acted faster that kakashi.