It means that hype is shit. We all know that Tsunade can die. And that prime Hiruzen isn't stronger than the previous hokages. He could just be weak.
If you accept hype about him then you should accept hype about other characters as well.
You seem pretty ignorant. I'm not doing this with you anymore.
He along with the other Hokage are named the "Biggest of the big fish" implying that he is also on the level of High Kage Caliber. The statement includes Hiruzen
Kabuto said he was stronger than the Yondaime Mizukage, the Yondaime Raikage, the Sandaime Tsuchikage, and the Yondaime Kazekage yet apparently Hiruzen states that he's weaker than Part 1 Orochimaru (prior to knowing about Orochimaru perfecting his "immortality jutsu" and Edo Tensei).
You do realize Hiruzen didn't outright admit he was weaker, He said "Most likely".
As you said he didn't even know about Oro having Immortality jutsu or edo tensei, He was simply speculating Oro's strength has "most likely" surpassed his own.
Survived Madara long enough for Orochimaru to get there? She was in pieces, are you saying that Tsunade can defeat her Sensei? Not even Jiraiya can defeat Hiruzen, I am open to debate come at me brah.
This whole thread is about Hiruzen at the only age that we've ever seen him. Any attempts to gauge the strength of "Prime Hiruzen" is simply speculation considering that Iruka calling the Sandaime the strongest Hokage at his best is all but untrue at this point and there's nothing else to go by.
looks like we'll never agree on hiruzen not being able to beat tsunade.....oh well....to this day no one can explain how he can beat her with her near immortality.....she can beat him with her raw strength no matter how much he dodges, he ll get tired before her....that's it how is this reasonably debatable
Survived Madara long enough for Orochimaru to get there? She was in pieces, are you saying that Tsunade can defeat her Sensei? Not even Jiraiya can defeat Hiruzen, I am open to debate come at me brah.
Kabuto said he was stronger than the Yondaime Mizukage, the Yondaime Raikage, the Sandaime Tsuchikage, and the Yondaime Kazekage yet apparently Hiruzen states that he's weaker than Part 1 Orochimaru (prior to knowing about Orochimaru perfecting his "immortality jutsu" and Edo Tensei).
According to the databook she's a 3.5 in speed and he's a 3, not to mention that decreases as he grows tired. All Hiruzen's attempts to hurt her will be tanked. Hiruzen will be forced to resort to ninjutsu because he is not beating Tsunade in taijutsu and he will burn himself out due to his piss-poor chakra reserves in comparison to Tsunade.
and kabuto said he was invincible
itachi said he was weaker than jirayia
konan said no one could beat pein
zetsu said itachi was unbeatable
chacaters over and underestimate themselves
It means that hype is shit. We all know that Tsunade can die. And that prime Hiruzen isn't stronger than the previous hokages. He could just be weak.
If you accept hype about him then you should accept hype about other characters as well.
This whole thread is about Hiruzen at the only age that we've ever seen him. Any attempts to gauge the strength of "Prime Hiruzen" is simply speculation considering that Iruka calling the Sandaime the strongest Hokage at his best is all but untrue at this point and there's nothing else to go by.
am the one who seems pretty "ignorant" huh :eww: (this attitude is a sign of weakness you know)
you went from repeating "she is stronger" "it's a fact" to insults .............. everything stated about hiruzen is valid until proven otherwise IN THE MANGA (some hype can be true/happened before).
loose the insults next time and try to prove your point with something valid (these are fictional characters).
Tsunade had help from the 4 other Kage against Madara. It's different if she was alone.[/QUO
i agree with that but hiruzen could never use wood release like madara did to split her guts and even then she was somehow alive so....unless hiruzen can somehow cut her heaad off......
Tsunade had help from the 4 other Kage against Madara. It's different if she was alone.[/QUO
i agree with that but hiruzen could never use wood release like madara did to split her guts and even then she was somehow alive so....unless hiruzen can somehow cut her heaad off......
Well i've been seeing comments like hiruzen weak he's fodder all he does is Shadow shuriken when being reanimanted he has no features he only fought a weak edo version of Tobirama & Hashirama like what manga are you reading? The feature of edo gives you unlimited chakra,stamina,and undieing body on top of that he's fighting 3 vs 1 how in god name is that even a fair fight ?
No features really his best feature was shown while being revived.
A Giant Juubi tail beast bomb Killer bee in his bijuu form shooting countless beast bomb couldn't stop it with the help of a whole army using how many earth style barrier walls.
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Hiruzen side of the Four Red Suns Battle Encampment barrier was still held up now so im guessing that wasn't a feature on that of that Hiruzen was using earth style barriers since part one lmao So please people at this point who would of had a technique to stop a tail beast bomb of that level and not have a scracth on them the 3rd raikage,4th raikage, 5th Hokage, 2nd Mizukage, 4th mizukage, 5th Mizukage, 3rd Kazekage ,4th Kazekage, 5th Kazekage 2nd Tsuchikage, 3rd Tsuchikage , Kakashi,Might Guy,Yamato,Darui,Hanzo ,Mifune ?
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Well here's another comment that he got 1 shotted lol for real ? Who wouldn't get one shotted by Juubito at this point ?
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Juubito would have one shotted KCM naruto if Sasuke hadn't gone saved him? Or how about when Minato had to warp both naruto & Sasuke out of the way , Lets not forget KCM Minato who was rescued by Tobirama?
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Hiruzen was the guy who was able to seal Orochimaru arms away in a fight already taking a edo Tobirama & Hashirama yes they were not a full power but still had unlimited Chakra ,Stamina, and a undieing body. The same Orochimaru who took on a 4 tail Kurma Naruto mode will his body was weaken with no arms. He's shown to have 2 elements at a good scale, 2 S- Rank techinques one a Barrier & another a sealing , Summoning Technique , Great intelligence and knowledge.
Well i've been seeing comments like hiruzen weak he's fodder all he does is Shadow shuriken when being reanimanted he has no features he only fought a weak edo version of Tobirama & Hashirama like what manga are you reading? The feature of edo gives you unlimited chakra,stamina,and undieing body on top of that he's fighting 3 vs 1 how in god name is that even a fair fight ?
No features really his best feature was shown while being revived.
A Giant Juubi tail beast bomb Killer bee in his bijuu form shooting countless beast bomb couldn't stop it with the help of a whole army using how many earth style barrier walls.
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Hiruzen side of the Four Red Suns Battle Encampment barrier was still held up now so im guessing that wasn't a feature on that of that Hiruzen was using earth style barriers since part one lmao So please people at this point who would of had a technique to stop a tail beast bomb of that level and not have a scracth on them the 3rd raikage,4th raikage, 5th Hokage, 2nd Mizukage, 4th mizukage, 5th Mizukage, 3rd Kazekage ,4th Kazekage, 5th Kazekage 2nd Tsuchikage, 3rd Tsuchikage , Kakashi,Might Guy,Yamato,Darui,Hanzo ,Mifune ?
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Well here's another comment that he got 1 shotted lol for real ? Who wouldn't get one shotted by Juubito at this point ?
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Juubito would have one shotted KCM naruto if Sasuke hadn't gone saved him? Or how about when Minato had to warp both naruto & Sasuke out of the way , Lets not forget KCM Minato who was rescued by Tobirama?
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Hiruzen was the guy who was able to seal Orochimaru arms away in a fight already taking a edo Tobirama & Hashirama yes they were not a full power but still had unlimited Chakra ,Stamina, and a undieing body. The same Orochimaru who took on a 4 tail Kurma Naruto mode will his body was weaken with no arms. He's shown to have 2 elements at a good scale, 2 S- Rank techinques one a Barrier & another a sealing , Summoning Technique , Great intelligence and knowledge.
Well i've been seeing comments like hiruzen weak he's fodder all he does is Shadow shuriken when being reanimanted he has no features he only fought a weak edo version of Tobirama & Hashirama like what manga are you reading? The feature of edo gives you unlimited chakra,stamina,and undieing body on top of that he's fighting 3 vs 1 how in god name is that even a fair fight ?
No features really his best feature was shown while being revived.
A Giant Juubi tail beast bomb Killer bee in his bijuu form shooting countless beast bomb couldn't stop it with the help of a whole army using how many earth style barrier walls.
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Hiruzen side of the Four Red Suns Battle Encampment barrier was still held up now so im guessing that wasn't a feature on that of that Hiruzen was using earth style barriers since part one lmao So please people at this point who would of had a technique to stop a tail beast bomb of that level and not have a scracth on them the 3rd raikage,4th raikage, 5th Hokage, 2nd Mizukage, 4th mizukage, 5th Mizukage, 3rd Kazekage ,4th Kazekage, 5th Kazekage 2nd Tsuchikage, 3rd Tsuchikage , Kakashi,Might Guy,Yamato,Darui,Hanzo ,Mifune ?
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Well here's another comment that he got 1 shotted lol for real ? Who wouldn't get one shotted by Juubito at this point ?
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Juubito would have one shotted KCM naruto if Sasuke hadn't gone saved him? Or how about when Minato had to warp both naruto & Sasuke out of the way , Lets not forget KCM Minato who was rescued by Tobirama?
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Hiruzen was the guy who was able to seal Orochimaru arms away in a fight already taking a edo Tobirama & Hashirama yes they were not a full power but still had unlimited Chakra ,Stamina, and a undieing body. The same Orochimaru who took on a 4 tail Kurma Naruto mode will his body was weaken with no arms. He's shown to have 2 elements at a good scale, 2 S- Rank techinques one a Barrier & another a sealing , Summoning Technique , Great intelligence and knowledge.
