How high is kakashi genjutsu level

[Assuma]

Yeah... Thats a good point

i agree that his weak point is chakra, but im also thinking hes not a skilled as he could be with genjutsu. i feel that he has the potential to do a lot more with his sharingan, but doesnt. im not sure if its because he simply isnt skilled enough, or if its because he doesn't have enough chakra.

 

[Lt Fresh]

I would say high just like and Sharingan user.
-Of course he doesn't have KA or Tsukenomi

But Sharingan gives the user high genjutsu techs; called Sharingan genjutsu. We have seen this happen in the Manga multiple times

 

[zesto]

He is capable of opening gates.. I dont know what else to say.

KAKASHI IS SLOW, just deal with it. he was never known for taijutsu

 

[TheBrightSide]

KAKASHI IS SLOW, just deal with it. he was never known for taijutsu

Ah Zesto, my favorite member. Kakashi has been noted for his speed many times and chidori itself is a technique that requires great amounts of speed to perform effectively. GET AT ME.

 

[zesto]

Ah Zesto, my favorite member. Kakashi has been noted for his speed many times and chidori itself is a technique that requires great amounts of speed to perform effectively. GET AT ME.

what does concentration of chackra in your hands has to do with speed(running). As far as we know, even if kakashi can evade a few or some attacks, his chackra levels/stamina is very poor--------which is what taijutsu is based on.

 

[TheBrightSide]

what does concentration of chackra in your hands has to do with speed(running). As far as we know, even if kakashi can evade a few or some attacks, his chackra levels/stamina is very poor--------which is what taijutsu is based on.

Thank you so much Zesto. Arguing with you always makes me feel better about myself. Firstly, my point was that chidori is a technique that is meant to be used at high speeds. There is no debate there. Secondly, taijutsu has almost nothing to do with chakra unless you are someone who utilizes chakra control like Tsunade or are opening up gates like Gai (which is something Kakashi can also do to an extent) so his lack of chakra has almost no effect on his taijutsu whatsoever. Kakashi's speed is also a 4.5 in the most recent databook. You really have an incredible talent for making yourself look like a ignorant dumbass.

 

[zesto]

Thank you so much Zesto. Arguing with you always makes me feel better about myself. Firstly, my point was that chidori is a technique that is meant to be used at high speeds. There is no debate there. Secondly, taijutsu has almost nothing to do with chakra unless you are someone who utilizes chakra control like Tsunade or are opening up gates like Gai (which is something Kakashi can also do to an extent) so his lack of chakra has almost no effect on his taijutsu whatsoever. Kakashi's speed is also a 4.5 in the most recent databook. You really have an incredible talent for making yourself look like a ignorant dumbass.

are you even listening to yourself. :| Taijutsu has nothing to do with chackra? i think you just out done yourself :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: what manga are you reading. Taijutsu is about speed and reflexes and as lee said before the sharigan user maybe able to see the attack coming but they probable cant block/dodge or evade it. To maintain Taijutsu you need a lot of chackra, it doesn't matter if your Gai or Tsunade. It is true Kakashi can enter i believe up to 3rd gate, but he cant maintain it for long---------just for a short period. why is this? BECAUSE OF HIS POOR STAMINA. his speed is 4.5 yes, but he cant maintain that speed for long plus he wasn't known to have good reflexes like Gai or Tsunade, which also is a part of Taijutsu. so dont give me that crap about Raiton in hands makes him faster, there are alot of high speed techs that dont amplify the user's speed. (THAT'S WHAT YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND) Jinton is fast, so fast, if your not on A level; and above i dont think you can evade or dodge it because it covers a wide area. yet that doesn't makes onoki or Muu fast. i dont know what your getting at, but the way you construct/formulate things it confuses the reader's mind and yourself, i told you before you need professional help, i can recommend a doctor to you since your in need.

 

[zesto]

1 more thing, Data books are out dated. those info was installed when Jiriaya was dying also itachi, That's a long time ago. there is no databook for A/EI../ONOKI/MEI/MU/2ND MIZUKAGE ETC. plus Tsunade databook needs to be upgraded now, since the new arc, and a lot more person, you might want to say kakashi sure his too, but stamina will remain the same.

 

[TheBrightSide]

are you even listening to yourself. :| Taijutsu has nothing to do with chackra? i think you just out done yourself :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: what manga are you reading. Taijutsu is about speed and reflexes and as lee said before the sharigan user maybe able to see the attack coming but they probable cant block/dodge or evade it. To maintain Taijutsu you need a lot of chackra, it doesn't matter if your Gai or Tsunade. It is true Kakashi can enter i believe up to 3rd gate, but he cant maintain it for long---------just for a short period. why is this? BECAUSE OF HIS POOR STAMINA. his speed is 4.5 yes, but he cant maintain that speed for long plus he wasn't known to have good reflexes like Gai or Tsunade, which also is a part of Taijutsu. so dont give me that crap about Raiton in hands makes him faster, there are alot of high speed techs that dont amplify the user's speed. (THAT'S WHAT YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND) Jinton is fast, so fast, if your not on A level; and above i dont think you can evade or dodge it because it covers a wide area. yet that doesn't makes onoki or Muu fast. i dont know what your getting at, but the way you construct/formulate things it confuses the reader's mind and yourself, i told you before you need professional help, i can recommend a doctor to you since your in need.

I love you Zesto. So much. I will restate what you have shown a failure to comprehend. CHAKRA, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAIJUTSU UNLESS IT IS BEING USED TO ENHANCE SPEED/STRENGTH/REFLEXES. Few shinobi show the capability to do these things Ex. A, Tsunade, Sakura, Gai, Lee, and Kakashi to some extent. Other than that, taijutsu has to do with your own physical endurance, which is entirely separate from chakra. By endurance, i mean physical strength acquired by exercise like lifting weights, running etc. And even that is hardly taken into account in the manga. What is mainly shown is skill, which is something Kakashi has been shown to have. He became a jounin at age 13. He is a prodigy, not to mention the sharingan aides him with taijutsu giving him the ability of seeing his opponents attacks before they happen. And he will be able to react to almost everyone excluding speed demons like the raikage and Naruto because HE HAS A 4.5 IN THE DATABOOK FOR SPEED. And you called him slow yet you laugh at me.. And for the last damn time, i never once said that chidori itself enhances his speed, but that the technique itself requires high speeds to be performed effectively. And considering it his signature technique, its safe to say he reaches the speed requirements to use that technique at a satisfactory level. No go get that doctor of yours to prescribe something for yourself because of the two of us, youre definitely the one who needs it more. I mean you made a Tsunade > Nagato thread for ****s sake..

 

[TheBrightSide]

1 more thing, Data books are out dated. those info was installed when Jiriaya was dying also itachi, That's a long time ago. there is no databook for A/EI../ONOKI/MEI/MU/2ND MIZUKAGE ETC. plus Tsunade databook needs to be upgraded now, since the new arc, and a lot more person, you might want to say kakashi sure his too, but stamina will remain the same.

Haha his stamina will remain the same when he has continuously spammed kamuis and raikiris like it was his job the whole war? Okay buddy.

 

[Bogard]

People don't understand that Kakashi rarely uses genjutsu only because most of the time we see him fighting, he fights against stronger dojutsu users than him(Itachi, Pain, Obito, Madara), or fights multiple opponents(Kakuzu and his masks, plus Hidan). All that makes the use of genjutsu in a fight meaningless. What people fail to realise is that Sharingan genjutsu is not automatic. You must know when to use it, and to use it, you must know when you make eye contact with an opponent in close combat(it's in close combat that a Sharingan genjutsu is usually effectiv).

So when you are always in defensiv position fighting multiple opponents or in another difficult position, it's not easy to cast genjutsu. There is also the skills you need to cast them, and it's where Itachi is that great

But remember that he made Zabuza look like a fodder with genjutsu

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This Zabuza self admitted that he needed to close his eyes because he wanted to avoid another genjutsu in the second fight:

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Gai also admitted that he created his fighting style in order to avoid Kakashi's genjutsus:

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He Knocked out two Anbu/Root level ninja working for Danzo with genjutsu by making them dreaming of Naruto for a while

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He has even shown a low level genjutsu without sharingan against Sakura where she saw a almost dying Sasuke(a genjutsu that shows something you don't want to see by hide deep in your heart):

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by Kakashi. It's that same Sakura who was able

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Kabuto's genjutsu in part1 for example.

Databook also gives him 4.5/5 in genjutsu, which is almost the maximal amount of point in this category(in comparison, he has the same note as Sasuke). So yeah, Kakashi is clearly above average in genjutsu to say the least

 

[TheBrightSide]

i can see this is getting no where..................oh well time to abandoned thread. high speed equals high concentration of chackra, which is why the man can only utilize that jutsu a few times and yes your saying because that tech requires high speed to conduct efficiently and effectively he meets the standards of A or 3rd Riakage (he's fast enough to dodge them/maybe because of sharigan but wont keep up for long).......HMMN, Hand is 1 feet is another, As Far as i can see it he's better at ninjutsu than Taijutsu. His endurance sucks and he cant maintain his speed for long. Kakuzu even mentioned that when he was facing the raiton heart. 1 more thing i dont see why your hating on Tsunade now........she is a far better ninja than your character, hence why she became Hokage and not Kakashi.. He almost got wasted by pain in couple seconds. 1 ration clone and he was running low on stamina.

people just overate who they want on the base and fail to acknowledge other characters strength. she can beat pain, base on how the 6 dead bodies arrange themselves every time they are about to fight. she is smarter than jiriaya, she has counter for shinra tensei and banshon tenin, her slug can tank even tailed beast attacks, my gosh and people still underrate her, i just laugh when i see those idiots . if she is this powerful with only byakugou imagine a sennin modo, which allows her to spit acid and increase everything about her........ (as someone said before she doesn't have to be captured inside the monster rock, just jump from rocks to rocks and stay out on the outside of the rock formation. or she just maintain a distance because deva path never uses that tech when he's close to it if you were watching, otherwise it would suck him up too, its his last resort and he only uses it when the other paths have been destroyed. Katsuyu tank that shitt and people still underrate the woman. she has a better chance than jiriaya, that slug can split more than the amount of frogs on the Myouboku hills.

Haha i love how you realized you had lost in the argument about Kakashi so you go into a rant about Tsunade.. Kakashi is by no means my favorite character. I am defending him because people on the thread were wrongly saying that Taijutsu is his weakness which has never been shown. It has been said that his taijutsu is better than Rock Lee as well and that is canon. Anyways as far as Tsunade vs Pain.. That isnt really much of a discussion. She gets anally destroyed by him. Tsunade cannot keep up her byakogo for long and Pain has been shown to have insane amounts of chakra. However if you want to argue this, make another thread. I could use another laugh.

 

[zesto]

Haha i love how you realized you had lost in the argument about Kakashi so you go into a rant about Tsunade.. Kakashi is by no means my favorite character. I am defending him because people on the thread were wrongly saying that Taijutsu is his weakness which has never been shown. It has been said that his taijutsu is better than Rock Lee as well and that is canon. Anyways as far as Tsunade vs Pain.. That isnt really much of a discussion. She gets anally destroyed by him. Tsunade cannot keep up her byakogo for long and Pain has been shown to have insane amounts of chakra. However if you want to argue this, make another thread. I could use another laugh.

TAIJUTSU IS KAKASHI WEAKNESS :| its different than speed, your just not getting it, and i didn't lost i just dont have the time to be arguing with you. Taijutsu deals with ENDURACE/STAMINA WHICH TAKES A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF CHACKRA, reflexes and speed. the speed is just the rate at which you accelerate/move.; AND AS I SAID HE MAYBE ABLE TO EVADE A FEW ATTACKS BUT HE CANT FOR LONG, his 4.5 speed is like a 2.5 because of his stamina. I wont create a Pain and Tsunade thread because i will just be wasting my time trying to convince imbeciles. let me correct you on something BYAKUGOU LASTED ALMOST FOR 2 DAYS. Tsunade contributed to onoki massive jinton(actually she's the one who made it that big anyways) and maintained that technique for another 10 minutes, so get your facts straight. Tsunade Senjumaki----------- Pain Uzumaki who has more stamina ugh?

 

[Bogard]

TAIJUTSU IS KAKASHI WEAKNESS :|

LOL. Make look Zabuza like a fodder in taijutsu

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[TheBrightSide]

LOL. Make look Zabuza like a fodder in taijutsu

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Thank you. It is becoming a pain to argue with him.

 

[garas56]

strong

 

[Prince Charles]

I would say probably above average since he used his sharigan to paralyze those two enemy anbu back in part 1.