How Hashirama beat Madara..

[KingHashirama]

there are 2 theories for this. One of them is by people who believe Hashirama was not all that and at the same level as Madara. Other one is by people, who believe Hashirama was the "God ofshinobi" during his time and the strongest shinobi, and the one that Madara feared the most.

Madara supporters/Hashirama is a weakling supporters: Hashirama just outlasted him , because of his chakra, thats all

Hashirama supporters: Hashirama out-skilled the kid, and beat his ass.


Now which one of these theories do you believe?

I'm gonna go with the one thats most supported by the manga: "Out-skilled Madara"

 

[Zetsuen]

At the end of the day, Kishimoto is writing the story. Even if Madara is stronger than Hashirama, or vice versa, there'll always be a way Kishimoto is able to make one stronger than the other.

Essentially, debating over such things is useless. Just wait till it's shown and then decide who is really is the stronger through the outcome.

 

[Exaar]

I think both are wrong.

I believe hashirama used the kyuubi against madara after hashirama took it from his controll.

 

[Darksharinnegan]

hashi used mito and the kyuubi

 

[Yatori]

I think both are wrong.

I believe hashirama used the kyuubi against madara after hashirama took it from his controll.

yeah i believe kyuubi was part of their fight.. i wonder how madara lost control over kyuubi though

 

[KingHashirama]

At the end of the day, Kishimoto is writing the story. Even if Madara is stronger than Hashirama, or vice versa, there'll always be a way Kishimoto is able to make one stronger than the other.

Essentially, debating over such things is useless. Just wait till it's shown and then decide who is really is the stronger through the outcome.

then there would be no need for this forum now would there be sir

I think both are wrong.

I believe hashirama used the kyuubi against madara after hashirama took it from his controll.

Well seeing that Mokuton can now actually controll tailed beasts like the sharingan.. that theory is more believable.

But its stated , he binded it and Mito sealed it.

 

[VongolaX]

Well we know that he took out kurama with woodstyle dragon, but i think with madara he used a very powerful forbidden senju technique. After that he stabbed him in the chest, i presume in two weeks or three we will see that techique.

 

[2big]

ya already know

 

[KingHashirama]

Well we know that he took out kurama with woodstyle dragon, but i think with madara he used a very powerful forbidden senju technique. After that he stabbed him in the chest, i presume in two weeks or three we will see that techique.

>.> yes sir, and I can tell you how that technique is powered ;o MOKUTON!

 

[Zetsuen]

then there would be no need for this forum now would there be sir

I understand where you're coming from. But there are other things you can discuss which aren't predetermined. Such as the outcome of this war for instance.

We already know Hashirama bested Madara. Because Kishimoto is the author, he can choose whichever way for Hashirama to do so. So even if Madara had more feats than Hashirama, Kishimoto can just pull out one way that Hashirama beat him. I'm not suggesting that Madara is stronger then Hashirama.

 

[Exaar]

Well seeing that Mokuton can now actually controll tailed beasts like the sharingan.. that theory is more believable.

But its stated , he binded it and Mito sealed it.

Yes but whats stopping mito lending him chakra like naruto is currently doing, we know the kyuubi hates madara so much that he would willingly lend naruto his chakra. Nothing is stopping him from lending it to Mito and her handing it to hashi if she was really at the battle.

 

[KingHashirama]

I understand where you're coming from. But there are other things you can discuss which aren't predetermined. Such as the outcome of this war for instance.

We already know Hashirama bested Madara. Because Kishimoto is the author, he can choose whichever way for Hashirama to do so. So even if Madara had more feats than Hashirama, Kishimoto can just pull out one way that Hashirama beat him. I'm not suggesting that Madara is stronger then Hashirama.

But sir, if going by the manga, the results of that fight weren't pre-determined. If they are then so is the ending of the war.

Now your going by the storyline. But in the series, that fight has still to be shown. and etc.

Yes but whats stopping mito lending him chakra like naruto is currently doing, we know the kyuubi hates madara so much that he would willingly lend naruto his chakra. Nothing is stopping him from lending it to Mito and her handing it to hashi if she was really at the battle.

Thing is he doesn't need chakra. And if needed it, he would be inferior to Madara. And also, Mito couldn't have mastered something that took naruto more then 13 years.

But the manga doesn't say anything about her fighting or anything like that. Thats why that theory doesn't fit for me.

Hashirama is the one who made Kurama a jinchuriki.. so I doubt Kurama would give it to Hashirama. And also, Senju needing chakra to fight a uchiha.. is kind of weird.

 

[Nakamazi Itchigo]

He out-skilled Madara, beat dat ass like he was his mama xd

 

[VongolaX]

>.> yes sir, and I can tell you how that technique is powered ;o MOKUTON!

yep, just really want to see it though

 

[KingHashirama]

yep, just really want to see it though

Amen, I want to see that scroll. X_X **** MAN.

He out-skilled Madara, beat dat ass like he was his mama xd

LMAOOO.

 

[Exaar]

Thing is he doesn't need chakra. And if needed it, he would be inferior to Madara. And also, Mito couldn't have mastered something that took naruto more then 13 years.

But the manga doesn't say anything about her fighting or anything like that. Thats why that theory doesn't fit for me.

Hashirama is the one who made Kurama a jinchuriki.. so I doubt Kurama would give it to Hashirama. And also, Senju needing chakra to fight a uchiha.. is kind of weird.

It's weird hashirama > Madara + kyuubi also.

Madara and hashirama have fought many times, Befor madara even got EMS. Yet neither one was able to kill each other, They are practically equals.
Yet hashirama made the huge jump from fighting on par with Ms madara, to defeating EMS madara with the kyuubi.

So lets say mito was there and only did seal it inside herself like you say, If she wasn't there to seal it, would the battle of gone differently?.

 

[Exaar]

Kyuubi could've been a double-edged sword; focusing on controlling it could've impaired Madara's other abilities. Random speculation; just throwing it out there.

While this could be the case.

Why madara brought the kyuubi to fight a person who he knows can suppress bijuu's chakra is completely stupid in the first place. But same can be said for hashirama.
Hashirama wasting chakra by keeping the kyuubi in check with mokuton would be a drain on him also

 

[KingHashirama]

It's weird hashirama > Madara + kyuubi also.

Madara and hashirama have fought many times, Befor madara even got EMS. Yet neither one was able to kill each other, They are practically equals.
Yet hashirama made the huge jump from fighting on par with Ms madara, to defeating EMS madara with the kyuubi.

So lets say mito was there and only did seal it inside herself like you say, If she wasn't there to seal it, would the battle of gone differently?.

They "Eventually fought" Doesn't mean there wasn't a winner or not. It just means they sparred. But Hashirama didn't kill. As we can see he has that Goku like personality, and his favorite opponent is said to be Madara Uchiha. Thats why i'm saying its absurd to say Madara is Hashirama's equal. Madara surviving from Hashirama, most likely means he didn't kill him. (Cousin clans). And plus, Madara was their leader, and Hashirama's favorite opponent. Without the EMS, Madara didn't have anything to even match "Tree world" jutsu.

But even Madara himself called Hashirama the stronger one. Also, notice how Hashirama was already at the top, while Madara was still climbing..

I doubt it would've gone differently. Mokuton Dragon had already binded the 9-tails.. But MAYBE it might have, if the location of the Mokuton Dragon got in the way of their fighting. Now, its pretty clear that before Madara controlled the 9-tails, the Bijuu was free. Soo Maybe it would've ran away or something lol.

But I doubt it would've been different, because of the mokuton dragon.

 

[Draphsin]

Outlasted..They fought for a whole night and throughout it all madara was in control of kurama, not to mention he likes to spam susanoo so it wouldnt be a surprise if he had it out for most of the fight. This, coupled with the fact that uchiha are gifted with strong chakra and not large reserves leads me to believe that their fight was simply a matter of "who has more stamina?"