How fast is Naruto ?

[Uchihakil]

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No he asks if he influencing mifune.

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He he says no..

Where does it say toneri's attack was sub relativistic. Just assuming someone can be faster doesnt make them near light speed unless you have concrete feats. I dont think you understanding the gap between these speeds. Post the calcs that made this attack sub relatavistic

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Toneri's sword would've most likely been able to extend at mach 10000+ speed but naruto never reacted to it's extension speed but rather he reacted to Toneri swinging the sword which would've likely taken around 5 or 6 seconds to cut the moon i.e travel he diameter of the moon. This would result in around mach 2000 for Naruto's reaction speed and nothing more so this wouldn't change anything really.

High Hypersonic ^

You would have a case if naruto reacted to extension speed

If he did'nt use it on mifune, why then did it has a cool down before he decided at the end of the fight to use it against tobi??

Danzou is a liar, everybody knows this

Here is the calc


At full length it was comparable to the
diameter of the Moon.
Diameter of the Moon= 3474 km (204
px)
Beam from pixel scaling: 17℅ of the
Moon's diameter 34 px
Length of Beam: 590.588 km
However, the beam is diagonal and
hence, we can't be sure that is the
appropriate distance, hence, we must
resolve the vector by finding the vertical
component.
The beam is ~32° north East of the
diameter.
Therefore, the vertical component= s cos
32 (As the vertical component is
adjacent the angle)
s= 517 536 209.6 m
Hence total length= 521 010 209.6 m
t of Halo expansion: 3 seconds
Speed: 521 010 km/3 sec= 173 670
000ms-1
= Mach 588 619
Aka 6℅ the speed of light or sub-
relativistic.

And naruto did react to the attacks extension, when he blocked with his arm, he moved a couple of steps before the attack could reach him, raised his arm and blocked with the chakra he transferred to his arm, meaning, the rest of his body is in base form, if you don't remember that, you should rewatch the movie, and what the dude said above me bout objects moving at lightspeed distorts, that is also a very good point in showing naruto characters reaching LS, well only guy, but naruto is relavistic + IMO

 

[Berkenstiel]

If he did'nt use it on mifune, why then did it has a cool down before he decided at the end of the fight to use it against tobi??

Danzou is a liar, everybody knows this

Here is the calc


At full length it was comparable to the
diameter of the Moon.
Diameter of the Moon= 3474 km (204
px)
Beam from pixel scaling: 17℅ of the
Moon's diameter 34 px
Length of Beam: 590.588 km
However, the beam is diagonal and
hence, we can't be sure that is the
appropriate distance, hence, we must
resolve the vector by finding the vertical
component.
The beam is ~32° north East of the
diameter.
Therefore, the vertical component= s cos
32 (As the vertical component is
adjacent the angle)
s= 517 536 209.6 m
Hence total length= 521 010 209.6 m
t of Halo expansion: 3 seconds
Speed: 521 010 km/3 sec= 173 670
000ms-1
= Mach 588 619
Aka 6℅ the speed of light or sub-
relativistic.

And naruto did react to the attacks extension, when he blocked with his arm, he moved a couple of steps before the attack could reach him, raised his arm and blocked with the chakra he transferred to his arm, meaning, the rest of his body is in base form, if you don't remember that, you should rewatch the movie, and what the dude said above me bout objects moving at lightspeed distorts, that is also a very good point in showing naruto characters reaching LS, well only guy, but naruto is relavistic + IMO

Thats speculation im just going by those manga scans


The attack extension happened before he evaded it.

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Afterward naruto sees the attack which he then rushes in

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He is able to evade the slash not the exenstion from this which is where that calc errors

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Naruto wouldn't get Sub-Relativistic speed unless he was around 1 meter away for toneri and he was able to dodge. We know this wasn't the case because the steps naruto took to get to the attack and factoring naruto's base speed.

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You don't need to have mach 10,000+ reaction to see an attack coming from 100 meters away similar to how an attack that requires a character to move 1 meter to dodge, which is fired from 100 meters away, then the character would only need 1/100 of the speed of the projectile to successfully dodge the attack you'd only need 1/100 of the speed of the attack to see it.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Db hyperbole?? I already addressed that, and for crying out loud the attack is not a lightning based attack, its a light based attack, its a beam of f*cking light, not beam of lightning attack, just reread our convo instead of making us repeat ourselves please

It's made from lightning chakra nature (being a constituent of Storm Release), so obviously it's a lightning based attack, my insensible friend. It's NOT based on light. It has the properties of lightning, not f***ing light. When the f*** does light cut anyone?

-Magical beam of light-kun does not have the same properties as real light, IE: light doesn't bisect people, so don't assume that it would move at the same speed.

-The Databook is inconsistent and trash. Temari Universe level using her fan,Sakura on Naruto and sasukes level, Itachi is invincible,etc etc.

-Madara swung his head. which means that it being lightspeed actually means **** all because madara is not swinging his head at lightspeed.

-It being Lightspeed would be a outlier anyway since theres no other feat in nardo anywhere near close to it, not that anyone actually scales to it because no one actually dodged anything at lightspeed.

This ^. Some people are just so ignorant, it's pitiable.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

When the f*** does light cut anyone?

When the light in question is LASER. Just answering your question, that's all...=D

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

When the f*** does light cut anyone?

When the light in question is LASER. Just answering your question, that's all...=D

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Where the hell are you even taking this

From the fact that the jutsu is constituted from lightning, which is the element that can contribute at maximum to the speed factor of the jutsu.

the jutsu is light fang and travel at the speed of light what more do you want?

I don't care what the name of the jutsu is. And it doesn't travel at the speed of light.

that kishi take the name storm release and give it the name of light release? guess what?

It's Storm Release and CAN have the properties of lightning because it is constituted from it. It can in no way have the property of light.

he cant becouse he already added in as yang release witch focus on another thing instead he decided to give it a storm release who is diferent from lightning release understand now?

The jutsu is still Storm Release (Lightning Release + Water Release), so it can only have either the individual properties of lightning and water elements or the exclusive properties of the storm KKG. If the resulting combination created light, then it would be named "Light Release", nothing else. If it is named "Storm Release", then it is NOT light. Period.

the jutsu is made of light and travel at the speed of light by you saiying is not it means that you are doing nthing but ignore the autor statement.

I'm not ignoring the author's statement. You have nothing logical or factual to prove that the jutsu travels at the speed of light. The jutsu being made of light is logically incorrect, technically incorrect, theoretically correct and even practically incorrect. I don't know why TF you are so persistent on this fallacious AF senseless standpoint.

No lol lightning its not even close 33% the speed of light you need to educate yourself in this department.

Yeah, I'm wrong here. I mixed up the figures. Actually, the return stroke travels at 33% the speed of light. The visible flash of lightning is far slower than that.

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No light travels at mach 900.000 How the hell is 286, 33% of that?!!
Listem to sub relativist ( is 1% light speed mach 9.000) relativist (is 10% light speed mach 90.000) understand now you just proved that you dint have any ideia of what you are talking about, saiying that lightning is 1/3... SMH

Read above.

The anime can be used as source of information when the thing its not filler scene and doesnt contradict the manga... just like this

The scene addition in the anime has nothing to do with the official portrayal of the manga and is "filler". The animators added that scene by themselves, not on Kishi's consent.

But i already did, multiple times actualy...

You did, but along with your BS. Remove your BS and try again.

Oh and also did i also tell you that might guy was moving at light speed and the same madara who is stated to be beneat of naruto speed was able to perceive him i got proof if want...

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Proof Object distort when moving at Light speed

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Best Answer how object would look like moving at Light speed.

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Might Gai was NOT moving at light speed. Just because moving at light speed causes distortion doesn't mean everything that experiences distortion moves at light speed. That's quite illogical to assume so.

Gai is massively hypersonic, that's not even close to light speed. And that level of speed can also cause distortion. Naruto is also in the same league.

If Gai was moving at light speed, Minato would not be able to teleport in between Gai (charging in at top speed) and Madara and then remove the Godoudamas while Gai hardly moved a meter. And Kakashi wouldn't be able to warp Madara's Godoudama shield while Gai was still moving. And the impact of Gai's strike would be WAYYY higher if he was moving at light speed.

Conclusion: This above examples proved my claims is accurate. Eight gates Guy did indeed moved at Light speed. His speed distorted space around him and Madara was able to cach his moviment being the one who noticed that he was distorting space .

so yeah it is what it is... i hope you learn something from this.

No buddy, your claim is really inaccurate and showcases ignorance. I hope you see your fallacies.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

When the light in question is LASER. Just answering your question, that's all...=D

Yeah, right. LOL.

 

[Uchihakil]

Thats speculation im just going by those manga scans


The attack extension happened before he evaded it.

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Afterward naruto sees the attack which he then rushes in

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He is able to evade the slash not the exenstion from this which is where that calc errors

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In the other instance
Naruto wouldn't get Sub-Relativistic speed unless he was around 1 meter away for toneri and he was able to dodge. We know this wasn't the case because the steps naruto took to get to the attack and factoring naruto's base speed.

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You don't need to have mach 10,000+ reaction to see an attack coming from 100 meters away similar to how an attack that requires a character to move 1 meter to dodge, which is fired from 100 meters away, then the character would only need 1/100 of the speed of the projectile to successfully dodge the attack you'd only need 1/100 of the speed of the attack to see it.

I aint talking bout this scene, I'm talking bout when toneri extended the beam directly at naruto and he overpowered it with his chakra fist, he moved in base a couple of steps before the attack reached him, he is moving TOWARDS the attack, you don't seem to fathom what I mean, if you for example could move a couple of steps towards an attack that move at lightspeed that means you are not far away inspeed with that

 

[Uchihakil]

Do you think you can move 5 steps if you are shot with a sniper bullet from a hundred meters? You won't even see the bullet coming

 

[Uchihakil]

Dont forget guy's LS feat, you can counter that while you're at it

 

[Berkenstiel]

I aint talking bout this scene, I'm talking bout when toneri extended the beam directly at naruto and he overpowered it with his chakra fist, he moved in base a couple of steps before the attack reached him, he is moving TOWARDS the attack, you don't seem to fathom what I mean, if you for example could move a couple of steps towards an attack that move at lightspeed that means you are not far away inspeed with that

Its not light speed the extension of the attack is sub relatavistic.
read this
You don't need to have mach 10,000+ reaction to see an attack coming from 100 meters away similar to how an attack that requires a character to move 1 meter to dodge, which is fired from 100 meters away, then the character would only need 1/100 of the speed of the projectile to successfully dodge the attack you'd only need 1/100 of the speed of the attack to see it.

 

[Uchihakil]

Its not light speed the extension of the attack is sub relatavistic.
read this
You don't need to have mach 10,000+ reaction to see an attack coming from 100 meters away similar to how an attack that requires a character to move 1 meter to dodge, which is fired from 100 meters away, then the character would only need 1/100 of the speed of the projectile to successfully dodge the attack you'd only need 1/100 of the speed of the attack to see it.

I will have to count the number of steps naruto made, at the end of the day, that's just base naruto, give him his power ups, and he is up there, and I'm still waiting for you to counter guy's feat

 

[Berkenstiel]

Dont forget guy's LS feat, you can counter that while you're at it

Outlier as the quote was space distortion when using night guy. As I don't expect kishi to incorporate physics in his manga so I just take it as the fact thats what that justu does. However this never said he was moving at light speed or he would have ended everything around him even madara. Since this didnt happen distrorting space is just what Night Guy does. Un-quantifiable

bending space/time =/= distorting space

*Consider this
Before Madara could barley keep up with his speed as in Guy could tag him. When he used night guy Madara said he was distorting space however there wasn't any sustainable difference in anything but striking power. If Madara could barley keep up with him before he would never see him coming then

 

[Uchihakil]

Outlier as the quote was space distortion when using night guy. As I don't expect kishi to incorporate physics in his manga so I just take it as the fact thats what that justu does. However this never said he was moving at light speed or he would have ended everything around him even madara. Since this didnt happen distrorting space is just what Night Guy does. Un-quantifiable

bending space/time =/= distorting space

Kishi actually uses physics to emphasize on guys speed since basically that's all he has, like him moving his fists so fast that he creates heat from friction, if that's not physics then what is? Guy was clearly bending the space around him, thus why madara's tsb bent, so yea guy is LS

 

[Berkenstiel]

Kishi actually uses physics to emphasize on guys speed since basically that's all he has, like him moving his fists so fast that he creates heat from friction, if that's not physics then what is? Guy was clearly bending the space around him, thus why madara's tsb bent, so yea guy is LS

Light speed bends time/space so it would be wrong anyways which is why real life phsyicis is only applicable in some areas. Its a fictional manga after all

Think about this. If Gai was moving at the speed of light then how Madara could possibly see him coming? Hell, how could Madara have some time to think about Gai's attack before it connected? When madara had trouble with him at much slower speeds

 

[Uchihakil]

Light speed bends time/space so it would be wrong anyways which is why real life phsyicis is only applicable in some areas. Its a fictional manga after all

Think about this. If Gai was moving at the speed of light then how Madara could possibly see him coming? Hell, how could Madara have some time to think about Gai's attack before it connected? When madara had trouble with him at much slower speeds

Madara did'nt have any troubles with 7 gates guy, madara is faster than juubito whose faster than BSM naruto > BM naruto > 7 gates guy >= raikage, some say raikage is faster some say guy is faster, but it dont matter, madara is massively faster than them, madara was just letting him dance around

And you do know that that same madara was fighting RSM naruto and sasuke right, besides, guy in 7 gates is massively hypersonic

 

[Berkenstiel]

Madara did'nt have any troubles with 7 gates guy, madara is faster than juubito whose faster than BSM naruto > BM naruto > 7 gates guy >= raikage, some say raikage is faster some say guy is faster, but it dont matter, madara is massively faster than them, madara was just letting him dance around

Nah I mean 8 gates Night Guy > regular 8 gates speed. Madara was getting tagged by his regular speed. Madara only saw space distortion when he used night guy. Which means if he was going light speed like your saying which is >>>>>>. There's no way Madara could have registered it. Madara had time to think before the attack and perceive the attack before it hit him.

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The correct translation says distorting air which makes this conversation mute

 

[Detonator99]

From the fact that the jutsu is constituted from lightning, which is the element that can contribute at maximum to the speed factor of the jutsu.

Just read the damn databook... at this point you are just showing nothing but denial.

I don't care what the name of the jutsu is. And it doesn't travel at the speed of light.

Please just read the databook and dont act bias if you dont want to accept this just say it and i wont debate with you anymore, becouse you definitly not showing proofs that contradicts my points and the creators words.

It's Storm Release and CAN have the properties of lightning because it is constituted from it. It can in no way have the property of light.

The creator says that its a lazer and it travels at the speed of light are you saiying that you>>>>>the creators words? becouse if that is the point then you should at least admit that you are just trolling.

The jutsu is still Storm Release (Lightning Release + Water Release), so it can only have either the individual properties of lightning and water elements or the exclusive properties of the storm KKG. If the resulting combination created light, then it would be named "Light Release", nothing else. If it is named "Storm Release", then it is NOT light. Period.

Lol i dont care if the if it is water and lightning what matters is the madaras light fang who is stated by the autor to be pure light (becouse is enhanced by the juubi chakra who is natural energy) and it travels at the speed of light! now... if you are going to say that is not light speed then that means that you are just here to name things about the manga the way that you want and step right at the creator face becouse you just dont want it to accept it.

I'm not ignoring the author's statement.

this is his manga he cant state what ever he wants becouse thats how he wants it to be... if you dont accept it then yes you are ignoring

You have nothing logical or factual to prove that the jutsu travels at the speed of light. The jutsu being made of light is logically incorrect, technically incorrect, theoretically correct and even practically incorrect. I don't know why TF you are so persistent on this fallacious AF senseless standpoint.

I have the autor statement that already negs anything that you say to disprove the light speed statement so lets move on the part were you are actualy acepting it but denies becouse it was assumingly a swing cut.

Yeah, I'm wrong here. I mixed up the figures. Actually, the return stroke travels at 33% the speed of light. The visible flash of lightning is far slower than that.

good to know.

The scene addition in the anime has nothing to do with the official portrayal of the manga and is "filler". The animators added that scene by themselves, not on Kishi's consent.

Okay let me try to explain to you one more time that what happened in the anime was the same as the manga...
as you saw in the panels as i tell lots of time in the manga and the anime madara was already looking to narutos face about to fire the lazer

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meaning that the reason as to why madara would need to swing his head would be to try and catch naruto who would have moved horizontally, Thats the logically explanation

if we go by your logic then it means that madara would be a simply retard and instead of him shouting the lazer straight up to naruto he woould moved his head to the left, launch the attack and then swing his head to the right in order slice naruto heads off, would that make any sense??NO

You did, but along with your BS. Remove your BS and try again

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Hehe says the one that egnores the autor statement...

Might Gai was NOT moving at light speed. Just because moving at light speed causes distortion doesn't mean everything that experiences distortion moves at light speed. That's quite illogical to assume so.

yeah show me cientific proof of someone moving with pure speed and distorting objects and not be consider light speed?

Gai is massively hypersonic, that's not even close to light speed. And that level of speed can also cause distortion. Naruto is also in the same league.

And where is that you take that?? a fanfiction batle site??

If Gai was moving at light speed, Minato would not be able to teleport in between Gai (charging in at top speed) and Madara and then remove the Godoudamas while Gai hardly moved a meter. And Kakashi wouldn't be able to warp Madara's Godoudama shield while Gai was still moving. And the impact of Gai's strike would be WAYYY higher if he was moving at light speed.

Or...or gay knew that if he touched the goudodama h would have died so thats why he tuned down his speed so that minato and the others would intervene at the moment of the attack would intervene and kakashi use kamui and give an opening to him to attack.

No buddy, your claim is really inaccurate and showcases ignorance. I hope you see your fallacies.

And this comes from the guy who fought that light speed is only mach 900 by thinking that the speed of lightning is 33% the speed of light (mach 286)

 

[Uchihakil]

Nah I mean 8 gates Night Guy > regular 8 gates speed. Madara was getting tagged by his regular speed. Madara only saw space distortion when he used night guy. Which means if he was going light speed like your saying which is >>>>>>. There's no way Madara could have registered it. Madara had time to think before the attack and perceive the attack before it hit him.

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The correct translation says distorting air which makes this conversation mute

This is a fictional verse, and madara is around relavistic, so him registering that in his brain is no biggie

 

[Detonator99]

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The correct translation says distorting air which makes this conversation mute

Thats not the correct translation and even in the databook says that he bended space

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Night Guy (夜ガイ, Yagai)

Classification: Taijutsu
Rank: S-Rank
Class: Offensive
Range: Shot-Range
User(s): Might Guy

Heading: Like a young crimson dragon cutting through the space fabric ( k?ūkan) the ultimate flying-kick!!

Might Guy utilizes the Taijutsu move, inherited from his father - “the Eight Celestial Gates”. To unravel the final dragon mystery you have to open the last ”Death Gate” and sacrifice your life (poetic,inst it?TN). From the red stream emission (Guy s blood and Chakra. TN), in a form of a red burning Chakra the great dragon rises, flying out of the rib cage, absolutely unprecedented kick that hits the opponent and beats (turns) him into nothing. It's power is off limits, overturns the knowledge of anything that Taijutsu is capable off, it twists and bends the sky (sora) itself on contact, even right side of the body of the strongest Ninja Madara was completely destroyed.

←↑ Flying above the heavens the great dragon that holds your life or death (destiny) in his claws! But, Guy easily commits his life and passes his will of fire to the next generation young leafs!